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thedrifter
11-11-06, 08:15 AM
borrowed from hubby..fontman

Thank You

Veterans Day ~ It means more now than ever
The Washington Post
Saturday, November 11, 2006; A26

IF TUESDAY was a day for registering discontent, this is a day for unity. Veterans Day, a legacy of an event that occurred close to a century ago, has lost none of its importance to Americans -- despite the fact that so many fewer of us are veterans than were, say, 35 or 40 years ago. Indeed, it's the unequal sharing of what remains an inescapable national obligation that makes this day even more important to us -- an occasion for genuine remembrance and appreciation. The country, despite its divisions over the war in Iraq and other matters stemming from it, continues, with a few isolated exceptions, to support and honor the men and women in the service and those returned from it.

Nov. 11, 1918, ended four years of European warfare -- mutual slaughter that drew in thousands of Americans and auxiliary soldiers from the far-flung dominions of the great powers. After it was over, the most powerful men from the winning nations -- under the leadership of an American president -- came together to create various devices and mechanisms for a world without war, among them self-determination for oppressed peoples, international organizations and limitations on armaments. Four score and seven years later we look back on that grand vision from the vantage point of Iraq, over the carnage of a second world war, Indochina, Darfur, Congo, Lebanon, Bosnia and a hundred other places, and we know that fighting among peoples is not going to be ended by some international conference to be held next month in a place with nice hotels.

But for Americans and Europeans there is one great difference today from 1914 or 1939. Their nations no longer fight themselves to exhaustion in struggles that mobilize all the resources of their societies. As a practical matter, just about every conflict they become involved in is a war of choice, and the size of the forces needed is greatly diminished from that of past years. In such circumstances there is rarely anything approaching unanimity when the war question arises, and in fact even a semblance of a consensus is hard to come by. When things go badly, as they are in Iraq, debate becomes a matter of recrimination and, often, divisive accusations.

All the more reason to honor those among us -- the term "few" really does apply here -- who commit themselves to fight the wars when they are called on, to abide by and carry out the decisions of their elected government, and to fulfill their duty to country and fellow members of the service. We'd also do well to listen to what those who are fighting today's war have to say. Some of it is bad, no doubt, some good, and some might be just plain surprising. All of it is worthy of a hearing and of our respect in the argument we're having over America's role in the world.

thedrifter
11-11-06, 10:57 AM
11/11/2006
Thank a veteran today for helping America be a nation unique in history

Today is Veterans Day. It's the special day our nation has set aside for honoring those among us who have served in America's armed forces -- the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.
Whether in times of shooting war or times of peace and readiness they have put their lives at our service, far from their hometowns and families.

It won't be hard to find a veteran to thank. More than 24 million are with us, and more than 1 million of them are in Ohio, census figures show.

That means, approximately, out of every 10 people you see around you today, one of them is a veteran.

Out of every 100 veterans overall, seven are women (1.7 million female vets), and their share in military service rises in recent years. Sixteen in every 100 vets from the Persian Gulf War are women.

The nation has 2.4 million black veterans and 1.1 million Hispanic veterans.

Mostly, though, America's veterans are gray-haired, with 9.5 million age 65 or older.

Sixteen out of every 100 veterans alive served in World War II -- that's 3.9 million WWII vets, those of the Greatest Generation who literally saved the world.

Vietnam War vets make up 33 out of every 100 vets, as there are 8.1 million from that era.

Thank the 3.4 million Korean War veterans, too. And thank all those veterans of the Cold War period who were our sentinels in that 46-year global standoff between democracy and communism. Millions of Americans served in that time from the end of WWII in 1945 until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Our Cold Warriors stood ready at military bases and airfields around the world, flew reconnaissance missions, manned missile silos and patrolled the seas, including the world beneath the waves in nuclear submarines.

The Gulf War era, into the present, has 4.1 million veterans to thank. Especially thank those who have served and now are serving today in the global war on terrorism, notably in Iraq and Afghanistan. These two conflicts have claimed 3,190 lives by the most recent count. Atop that terrible number, another 22,606 have been wounded.

America's brand of freedom and democracy are unique in the history of the world, but they are not guaranteed to us. We've only been on the scene for 230 years -- the blink of an eye for many older nations on this hostile globe. If America is still strong and free 230 years hence, it will largely be due to those in future generations who take up the call of military service.

We are inexpressibly fortunate to live in a moment of freedom and prosperity that no other people have ever enjoyed. So, thank a veteran today for his or her military service. It is they who have made the personal sacrifices that have allowed our country to remain free and strong.

Ellie

jinelson
11-11-06, 12:46 PM
Never Forgotten Thank You For Your Sacrifice And Service

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10thzodiac
11-11-06, 05:00 PM
Veterans: Senator Murray Warns Again that the Bush Administration Has NO PLAN to Care for Iraq War Veterans

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=264211 (http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=264211)

marinegreen
11-11-06, 05:26 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ! SEMPER FI !
MG

10thzodiac
11-12-06, 09:27 AM
Never Forgotten Thank You For Your Sacrifice And Service

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Hospital wouldn't treat dying vet

VA says its call to 911 right action

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Jody Lawrence-Turner (http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news/bylines.asp?bylinename=Jody Lawrence-Turner)
Staff writer
October 7, 2006

A Spokane man watched in desperation as his dying friend struggled for breath, but he couldn't get immediate assistance from professionals just inside Spokane's Veterans Affairs Medical Center.
Instead those VA staffers dialed 911 to get help for the man in the hospital parking lot.

"Calling the fire department was quicker than getting equipment and bringing it back out or finding someone who could offer the medical assistance," said hospital director Joe Manley.
Paramedics arrived in four minutes, according to Spokane Fire Department dispatch logs.

Clinton L. "Foxx" Fuller, 83, of Spokane, died at
Deaconess Medical Center, an hour and 10 minutes after his friend pleaded for help at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center.

"This man who fought three wars was dying in front of the VA Hospital, and none inside would help," said the Rev. Eugene Singleton, who drove Fuller to the hospital. "I thought a professional person, no matter who you are, who has taken an oath to save lives, would help."

The death was "an unfortunate thing, but medically the patient was handled in the appropriate way," Manley said. Fuller had been a regular patient at the VA Hospital, officials and his friend said. So when Singleton got a call on Sept. 30 from Fuller's wife, Marilyn, saying her husband wanted to go the hospital, the request wasn't out of the ordinary.

Singleton, who is a reverend at St. Matthew Institutional Baptist Church, said he often took Fuller to the hospital. "I asked if it was urgent, and his wife said 'Whenever you can get here,' " Singleton said. "After I got there, it took him a while to get out of the house. He brought a little bag with his Bible and such. He wanted to go to the hospital to be treated for his asthma and emphysema."

When the two were almost to the care facility, Fuller slumped over onto Singleton's shoulder, and the reverend couldn't wake his friend. Singleton arrived at the VA Hospital about 4:35 p.m. He ran into the urgent care center, yelled for help and returned to his car with a wheelchair. A security guard appeared outside and told Singleton the clinic had closed five minutes earlier, but 911 had been called.

Manley said the timing had nothing to do with the fact that Fuller wasn't helped by VA staff. "The patient arrived at our facility in respiratory distress," the hospital director said. "The most skilled people we had went out to the patient, but you have to have the professional equipment to do the work," and with the ambulance showing up quickly, the VA nurse and physician did not tend to Fuller.

The procedure Fuller needed would have required a tube being put down his throat to help him breathe, Manley explained. "When paramedics arrived, they stretched Fuller out on the pavement and went to work on him vigorously," Singleton said. "They hooked up the life-saving equipment. When the ambulance got there, they loaded him up immediately and took him to Deaconess Medical Center.

"The doctor at Deaconess came out at exactly 5:45 p.m. and said there was nothing they could do," Singleton said. "He was dead."

Singleton felt his friend, who fought in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, was treated with disrespect when no one at the VA Hospital offered medical assistance. He was also frustrated that despite a $3.2 million expansion of the hospital in 2005, the facility closes its urgent care center at 4:30 p.m. each day.

In July, Spokane's Veterans Affairs Medical Center eliminated the center's nighttime hours.

In a June 28 Spokesman-Review article, the mid-afternoon closing time was justified by a spokeswoman who said "very, very few patients come in after the hours of 4:30 p.m." and denied the facility was ever equipped for trauma patients.

Singleton, who is also a war veteran, said after his recent experience he has instructed his wife to never take him to the VA Hospital.

"I don't want to be treated like that," Singleton said. "I get emotional every time I think about it."

Fuller's funeral is scheduled for 10 a.m. today, said Singleton, who will deliver the eulogy.

OLE SARG
11-12-06, 11:07 AM
I tried to reply to the topic "VALOR MEDAL PROCESS TARNISHED?" and the damn thing wouldn't let me reply. The thread is about an Army SSgt, David Bellavia, who was recommended for the Medal of Honor for his action in Iraq November 10, 2004.
A lot of the comments in thread talk about the unfairness of the recommentation procedure for heroic actions and the dispairity between officers and enlisted personnel. This is a fact and you can look at our pseudo-heroes ms murtha and ms kerry for that fact.
I was just curious if anybody else out there feels that same about this process.

SEMPER FI,

10thzodiac
11-14-06, 09:25 PM
Soldiers usually win the battles and generals get the credit for them. <br />
--Napoleon Bonaparte-- <br />
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&quot;The number of medals on an officer's breast varies in inverse proportion to the square of the...

FistFu68
11-15-06, 05:48 AM
:usmc: I SAW A FORMER MEMBER OF MY UNIT IN THE'NAM,AT A FUNCTION;IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.HE RETIRED AS A CAPTAIN,HE WAS DECORATED LIKE AN EASTER EGG;IT TOOK A CHERRY PICKER TO HOLD HIS AZZ UP. 2 SILVER STAR'S,BRONZE STAR WITH COMBAT (V)NUMERIOUS NAVY COMM'S,NAVY ACHIEVEMENT;AND SO ON AND SO ON!I NEVER SAW HIS AZZ, ONE TIME;WHEN THE CHIT HIT THE FAN! GO FIGURE??? :usmc: