Thomas Jefferson 101

[10thzodiac]

Marines,

I had the opportunity and pleasure of seeing Thomas Jefferson 101 live yesterday. It played to a sold out theater in McAninch Arts Center at Collage of DuPage, in Glen Ellyn, Illinois.

The show will be broadcasted Thanksgiving day on WGN Radio 720 Chicago from 5-7 pm CDT.

The show was terrific and afterwards the audience could not applaud enough, I thought they would never stop clapping!

This is the 8th year of the performance here.

Check it out at: http://www.jeffersonhour.org/page/index/

You can even ask Thomas Jefferson Questions on the site !

SF
10th

[10thzodiac]

Don't forget the above is being broadcast this evening on radio

Thanksgiving day on WGN Radio 720 Chicago from 5-7 pm CDT.


I thought the audience would never stop clapping when I saw it live November 4, 2006 !

SF
10thzodiac

[10thzodiac]

http://wgnradio.com/shows/williams_john/audio/index.html#tj

Thomas Jefferson

NEW! John talks to Thomas Jefferson (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/jefferson060703jw.rm), third President of the United States, and gets his take on the recent woes of the Constitution. (7/3/06) (9:48)
For most people, a visit to Monticello (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/thomasjefferson050808jw.rm) is a highlight of a trip to Virginia. But in the World of John Williams, such an experience leads to a phone conversation with the third president of the United States. (8/8/05) (6:42)
Thomas Jefferson calls in on July 4, 2005 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/thomasjefferson050704jw.rm), to mark the 229th anniversary of the founding of the nation and the 179th anniversary of his own death. (7/4/05) (17:02)
Who better to discuss the discuss the recent court ruling about the Pledge of Allegiance (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/thomasjefferson020701jw.rm) than Mr. Jefferson? (7/1/02) (5:11)
Thomas Jefferson (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tjconversation020610jw.rm) answers some questions sent in by listeners. The topics include cuisine, friendship and why he didn't serve in the military. (6/10/02) (5:07)
John Williams Presents a Conversation with Thomas Jefferson (This is the audio from the first Thomas Jefferson CD, featuring highlights from the first two visits to Chicago by the third President of the United States. Additional audio from the first visit is available further down on this page. For the CD notes, click here (http://wgnradio.com/shows/williams_john/tj2000cdnotes.htm).)
Conversation I (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tjconversationonejw.rm) November 6, 1999, Barrington Hills, IL (:34:37)
Conversation II (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tjconversationtwojw.rm) November 4, 2000, Chicago Shakespeare Theater, Chicago, IL (:36:44) (This segment concludes with a special bonus track from the CD, featuring some comments by scholar, author, and performer Clay Jenkinson.)
John chats with our Third President to learn his unique historic perspective on the events of September 11 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tjonterror011009jw.rm). (10/9/01) (4:17)
John chats with TJ about the electoral college (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tjelectoral1jw.rm) the day after the election that will go down in history. (11/8/2000) (10:13)
Thomas Jefferson visits with John Williams about Sally Hemmings TV movie (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tj1jw.rm) (:05.33)
John discusses Thomas Jefferson's Chicago appearance (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/tj2jw.rm) (:05.47)
John Williams Presents an Afternoon with Thomas Jefferson 11/6/1999
(This is the program that aired as an encore performance on Thanksgiving).

segment 1 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ1JW.rm) (:07.40)
segment 2 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ2JW.rm) (:09.51)
segment 3 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ3JW.rm) (:09.42)
segment 4 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ4JW.rm) (:07.43)
segment 5 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ5JW.rm) (:08.59)
segment 6 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ6JW.rm) (:09.01)
segment 7 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ7JW.rm) (:08.37)
segment 8 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ8JW.rm) (:09.13)
segment 9 (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/AWTJ9JW.rm) (:07.52)
Another visit with Mr. Jefferson (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/TJ19991002JW.rm) 10/2/1999 (:06.29)
A conversation with Thomas Jefferson (http://archive.wgnradio.com:8080/ramgen/wgnam/shows/williams_john/audio/TJ19990726JW.rm) 7/26/1999 (:23.02)

[rktect3j]

You need to stop bumping your own thread. From what I know about Jefferson and the Corps I can't imagine why a Marine would want to watch the propaganda they sell the American youth about this man.

Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".

[drumcorpssnare]

rktect3j-What a splendid comeback to 10thzodiac! Lt. O'Bannon and his Marines in North Africa got the job done, when the rest of the world buckled under to the demands of the Barbary pirates! They were some bad-a** dudes!!! AFTER their march across the Sahara, the Amir (Imir?) said, "It is impossible. It cannot be done!"

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[10thzodiac]

http://www.jeffersonhour.org/page/index/


Listening to Clay Jenkinson's portrayal of Thomas Jefferson I was quite amused to hear some of the following: (I may not have this word for word)

1) You are not a free man unless you own a gun

2) You are not free if you cannot hang the Mayor for any reason

3) If necessary, burn down your post office and stab your Senator

4) If your government isn't doing what you want, vote them out or use
pitchforks

5) A new constitution every generation

6) Bring change to your government as peacefully as possible with the
minimum of bloodshed required

I've heard this show live and on the radio and ordered the CD today !

SF
10th zodiac

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[jinelson]

by riktect3j - You need to stop bumping your own thread. From what I know about Jefferson and the Corps I can't imagine why a Marine would want to watch the propaganda they sell the American youth about this man.


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[10thzodiac]

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Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".



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drumcorpssnare:usmc:



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Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.
Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

"The educated make policy the mostly un-educated die enforcing it. Did any dummies not get that ?" ~10thzodiac

http://www.waubonsee.edu/downloads/pdf/community_ed/thomas_jefferson_2006.pdf (http://www.waubonsee.edu/downloads/pdf/community_ed/thomas_jefferson_2006.pdf)

[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- Hey, you forgot to mention how today's Marine Officer's sword is a replica of the sword presented to Lt. Presley O'Bannon, by a Mameluke leader, in honor of the courage and espirit de corps exhibited by those Marines at Tripoli.
Incidentally, the first time the Stars and Stripes were raised, on foreign soil.

While Pelosi and her cronnies might wish to bend over, grab their ankles, and pay tribute to the "diaper heads", I agree with Jefferson..."not one penny in tribute."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[10thzodiac]

10thz- Hey, you forgot to mention how today's Marine Officer's sword is a replica of the sword presented to Lt. Presley O'Bannon, by a Mameluke leader, in honor of the courage and espirit de corps exhibited by those Marines at Tripoli.
Incidentally, the first time the Stars and Stripes were raised, on foreign soil.

While Pelosi and her cronnies might wish to bend over, grab their ankles, and pay tribute to the "diaper heads", I agree with Jefferson..."not one penny in tribute."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

You might fool dummies that didn't stay in school with your lame-Bush-style white-wash attempt using the Mameluke sword to distract from what you said earlier in the posts below, but a few of us are up to your half ass-style of bashing !

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 205270" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>rktect3j</TD><TD class=alt2>You need to stop bumping your own thread. From what I know about Jefferson and the Corps I can't imagine why a Marine would want to watch the propaganda they sell the American youth about this man.

Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".



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<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 205274" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>drumcorpssnare</TD><TD class=alt2>rktect3j-What a splendid comeback to 10thzodiac! Lt. O'Bannon and his Marines in North Africa got the job done, when the rest of the world buckled under to the demands of the Barbary pirates! They were some bad-a** dudes!!! AFTER their march across the Sahara, the Amir (Imir?) said, "It is impossible. It cannot be done!"

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Checkmate

[10thzodiac]

10thz- Hey, you forgot to mention how today's Marine Officer's sword is a replica of the sword presented to Lt. Presley O'Bannon, by a Mameluke leader, in honor of the courage and espirit de corps exhibited by those Marines at Tripoli.
Incidentally, the first time the Stars and Stripes were raised, on foreign soil.

While Pelosi and her cronnies might wish to bend over, grab their ankles, and pay tribute to the "diaper heads", I agree with Jefferson..."not one penny in tribute."

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

"Do you really think we don't know about the sword as some don't know of Jefferson ?" ~ 10thzodiac

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Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".



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<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 205274" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>drumcorpssnare</TD><TD class=alt2>rktect3j-What a splendid comeback to 10thzodiac! Lt. O'Bannon and his Marines in North Africa got the job done, when the rest of the world buckled under to the demands of the Barbary pirates! They were some bad-a** dudes!!! AFTER their march across the Sahara, the Amir (Imir?) said, "It is impossible. It cannot be done!"

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

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[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- Granted, there are probably more Marines familiar with the Mameluke sword than Jefferson's attitude toward the Barbary pirates. Those same Marines already know that the second line in the Marine's Hymn relates to O'Bannon's campaign against the North African corsairs. So, I don't understand your point.
Just because "Horse-face Kerry" thinks our military is ignorant, doesn't make it so. There are many Marines in general, and many on Leatherneck.com, who are learned, accomplished historians.
There is no harm in me "re-hashing" the same Marine Corps history we all learned in boot camp. It's that history that makes us who we are as Marines.
(And yes, that includes your buddy Smedley Darlington Butler)
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[10thzodiac]

10thz- Granted, there are probably more Marines familiar with the Mameluke sword than Jefferson's attitude toward the Barbary pirates. Those same Marines already know that the second line in the Marine's Hymn relates to O'Bannon's campaign against the North African corsairs. So, I don't understand your point.
Just because "Horse-face Kerry" thinks our military is ignorant, doesn't make it so. There are many Marines in general, and many on Leatherneck.com, who are learned, accomplished historians.
There is no harm in me "re-hashing" the same Marine Corps history we all learned in boot camp. It's that history that makes us who we are as Marines.
(And yes, that includes your buddy Smedley Darlington Butler)
drumcorpssnare

Look on top of your head http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".



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<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 205274" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>drumcorpssnare</TD><TD class=alt2>rktect3j-What a splendid comeback to 10thzodiac! Lt. O'Bannon and his Marines in North Africa got the job done, when the rest of the world buckled under to the demands of the Barbary pirates! They were some bad-a** dudes!!! AFTER their march across the Sahara, the Amir (Imir?) said, "It is impossible. It cannot be done!"

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

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[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- touche' ! .......one "point" for you!
(But, the match isn't over yet.)

[10thzodiac]

10thz- touche' ! .......one "point" for you!
(But, the match isn't over yet.)

You aren't the only one learning, we all are everyday, including me.

It takes a big man to admit a mistake, keep me honest !

Semper Fidelis :thumbup:

http://www.waubonsee.edu/downloads/pdf/community_ed/thomas_jefferson_2006.pdf (http://www.waubonsee.edu/downloads/pdf/community_ed/thomas_jefferson_2006.pdf)

[rktect3j]

You aren't the only one learning, we all are everyday, including me.
If you want to learn something then go read this book. Then we can talk about Jefferson.

The pirate coast

http://www.indepthinfo.com/books/pirate-coast.shtml

[10thzodiac]

If you want to learn something then go read this book. Then we can talk about Jefferson.

The pirate coast

http://www.indepthinfo.com/books/pirate-coast.shtml

Didn't have too, I just read Thedrifters thread:

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40470&highlight=thomas+jefferson

No one here is going to read your book and you know it, fess-up like
like a man, like "drumcorpssnare" http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

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Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

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[rktect3j]

No one here is going to read your book and you know it,
I am certain that you will not. I would hate for your 8th grade knowledge to get busted with the truth. I imagine you are still under the impression that Columbus discovered America and that the original pilgrims ate turkey on the first Thanksgiving day.

Good luck with the blinders 10th.

[Bozooka]

You aren't the only one learning, we all are everyday, including me.






"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service". Smedly Butler
Well old Smedly waited 34 years and loved the money he was getting from the government! He loved killing and maiming.Why did he wait so long to get his brain back? ( just learn'n) Sound similar to something John Kerry said!!! Duh... He wrote his book cause he was hard-up and needed money and smart enough to know what to put in it to get attention from people in the anti-war crowd to buy it! Like a lot of people do now! M. Moore loves to start conspiracy theories and makes a lot of money off it!! Al Gore loves to talk about global warming cause hes making a lot off money off it! I don't want my tax dollars to goto any school that hires people like Ward Churchhill and the like and injects venom in to young peoples mind that cant think for themselves. and makes reading books like Smedly mandatory for class. Sounds like anti American money makers don't they?

[10thzodiac]

I am certain that you will not. I would hate for your 8th grade knowledge to get busted with the truth. I imagine you are still under the impression that Columbus discovered America and that the original pilgrims ate turkey on the first Thanksgiving day.Good luck with the blinders 10th.

How long ago did you say you read this book ? Because the title is: "The Pirate Coast," sub-title, "Thomas Jefferson, the First Marines, and the Secret Mission of 1805 (2005)," not [quote rktect3j] "pirates of the barbary coast". One would think you could remember the name of the book correctly if it has only been in publication less than two years, that is if you read it ?

After a decade as a journalist, Zacks wrote his first book, "History Laid Bare" (HarperCollins, 1994). Excerpted in Harpersand Details, reviewed in Newsweek and People, covered in the NY Times Sunday magazine, the book aimed to deliver all kinds of authentic primary source accounts about sex and love through the ages, from Mark Twain's jokes about penis size to Abe Lincoln's letter about being rejected by a very fat woman. The NY Times opined that the "book by Richard Zacks specializes in the raunchy and perverse."

In his second book, he applied the same technique of no-holds-barred, primary source reporting to diverse topics from medicine to science, from the arts to crime. He explored everything from Thomas Edison's secret role in developing the first electric chair to Abe Lincoln's tentative plan to ship out the freed American slaves to the Caribbean. The author honed his research skills on the project but he found it singularly exhausting to try to one up the experts in all major fields of knowledge; he is thrilled to retire from his role as pundit know-it-all.

Your famous Novelist of "The Pirate Coast" who likes writing [quote]"boyish stories about pirates" dismisses the Marines of the time as not the renowned fighting troops they are today, but were usually lower-paid ship-board or dock guards, and they'd hardly show up in the title were it not for the "shores of Tripoli" connection.
Treasure Hunter: Richard Zacks


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<!--begin paragraph-->Richard Zacks’s previous book, The Pirate Hunter, was an unlikely hit built around a persuasive case that the infamous Captain Kidd was not actually a pirate at all. His follow-up, [U]The Pirate Coast, unearths the extraordinary tale of America’s first overseas covert operation, an 1805 mission in which a group of eight Marines shipped out to rescue 307 American sailors enslaved in Tripoli.

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<!--begin paragraph-->He spoke with Wesley Yang.

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<!--begin paragraph-->Pirates are sort of a boyish thing to be writing about, aren’t they?

Sure. When you’re a kid, you admire how free and romantic these guys’ lives were. That’s before you’re old enough to realize how incredibly evil they were. I guess I was just immature enough to stay that way.

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<!--begin paragraph-->Do you wish for a more adventurous life?

If I had it all to do over again, I would be a criminal. I’ve been such a good boy, I can’t take it anymore. Think about it: I walk into a bar, I’m a pirate. I see some beautiful woman, I walk up to her, I grab her by the waist and kiss her. She pushes me away. I kiss her again . . . [U]In real life I have to think up some dopey line, or hold my book with the spine out. That’s no fun.

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<!--begin paragraph-->But the world of that time was extremely brutal.

Today we complain if we’re not getting coffee brought to our airplane seats. Back then, if you were traveling on ships, you could end up a slave. My first chapter is about how seven Barbary pirate ships swept up more than 1,000 Italian villagers and sold them into slavery. And the highest price was for a 12-year-old girl!

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<!--begin paragraph-->Why such a premium?

The sexual component. They sold these women with a certificate of virginity. There were rules—if she was a Muslim, she couldn’t be a slave. But foreigners were fair game.

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<!--begin paragraph-->You do depict some unsavory practices specific to Muslims. Did you worry about that?

I have no politically correct agenda. I don’t even know if I’m crossing a line. I exist in a kind of parallel universe to all that. If I went too far, I guess I’m going to find out.

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<!--begin paragraph-->You’ve carved out a nice niche with these historical narratives.

Maybe this sounds a little self-serving, but I can’t make it through a lot of biographies. I skim them for interesting tidbits. There are so many fantastic stories out there—I wish more people were doing what I do.

By Wesley Yang

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[rktect3j]

You can't cover up the truth because you don't like the author. I knew the title but decided that because I placed the link to the actual book you may not require the long winded version. But then I forgot who I was reponding to.

Do you know anything about the Marines beginnings?

[10thzodiac]

You need to stop bumping your own thread. From what I know about Jefferson and the Corps I can't imagine why a Marine would want to watch the propaganda they sell the American youth about this man.

Want a little insight. Go get a cd book called "pirates of the barbary coast".

The American Declaration of Independence has been celebrated and esteemed all over the world and who originally drafted it, I guess listening to you they don't teach (or shouldn't) that at the UIC, they did in Illinois when I got my eighth grade education, River Grove, IL, Elementary School (1957).

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

BTW "pirates of the barbary coast": Is a Wizkid's game not a book as you originally first told us. http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/howtoplay.asp

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/images/PPHTP_01.jpg

Just my 8th grade education http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/29.gif

10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

[rktect3j]

Jefferson did indeed pen one great document and many other good documents or had a hand in them. No doubt. Lets not forget that there was a flip side to the man. But that is what we do because of that one great document.

The rest of yours is just cut and paste though.

Say good night Gracie.

[10thzodiac]

Jefferson did indeed pen one great document and many other good documents or had a hand in them. No doubt. Lets not forget that there was a flip side to the man. But that is what we do because of that one great document.

The rest of yours is just cut and paste though.

Say good night Gracie.

I see you are slowly coming around [hope], good for you. Awhile ago Jefferson was a propagandist that no Marine or youth should watch[listen to]. Was it because of Jefferson gradually assuming leadership of the Republicans, who sympathized with the revolutionary cause in France [bad word] ?

What's is the flip side you are referring to, below his belt [literally] http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif or the thousand things right http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif about America because of him ? UIC student [Graduate ?], please enlighten us eighth grade educations. You may even copy (cut) and paste. Please if you could, use the historical references:

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/article.asp?cid=40013

10thz

BTW, since you like my copy (cut) and paste so much, I'll make sure to do it more, just for you !

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Gracieal.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gracieal.jpg)

[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- When you were in first grade, did you run with scissors and eat the paste?:D

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[Bozooka]

10thz- When you were in first grade, did you run with scissors and eat the paste?:D

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

Chalk one up for the drum...That was a Good One...:thumbup:

[10thzodiac]

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10thz- When you were in first grade, did you run with scissors and eat the paste?

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Chalk one up for the drum...That was a Good One...:thumbup:





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I guess your "boy" rktect3j decided, if you are in a hole quit digging and send in the big guns !

Actually, I went right to the fith grade, I skipped 1st through 4th. Now, I bet you want to know how I did that, right ?

Well, my first-grade teacher, Ms. Brooks, was having trouble with me. She asked me, "what's is your problem?” I answered, “I'm too smart for the 1st grade. My sister is in the 3rd grade and I'm smarter than she is! I think I should be in the 3rd grade too! ”Ms. Brooks had had enough. She took me to the principals office. While I waited in the outer office, my teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told Ms. Brooks he would give me a test. If I failed to answer any of his questions I was to go back to the 1st grade and behave. She agreed. I was brought in and the conditions were explained to me and I agreed to take the test. Principal: “What is 3 x 3 ?” 10thz: “9″.Principal: “What is 6 x 6 ?” 10thz: “36″. And so it went with every question the principal thought a 3rd grader should know.The principal looks at Ms. Brooks and tells her, “I think 10thz can go to the 3rd grade.”Ms. Brooks says to the principal, “Let me ask him some questions.” The principal and I both agreed. Ms. Brooks asks, “What does a cow have four of that I have only two of ?” 10thz, after a moment: “Legs.” Ms. Brooks: “What is in your pants that you have but I do not have ?” The principal was wondering, why would she ask such a question! 10thz replied: “Pockets.”Ms. Brooks: “What does a dog do that a man steps into ?” 10thz: “Pants”Ms. Brooks: What's starts with a C, ends with a T, is hairy, oval, delicious and contains thin, whitish liquid ?" 10thz: “Coconut. ”The principal sat forward with his mouth hanging open. Ms. Brooks: “What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?” The principals eyes opened really wide and before he could stop the answer. 10thz: “Bubble gum” Ms. Brooks: “What does a man do standing up, a woman does sitting down and a dog does on three legs ?” 10thz: “Shake hands.”The principal was trembling. Ms. Brooks: “What word starts with an 'F' and ends in 'K' that means a lot of heat and excitement?” 10thz: “Firetruck” my principal breathed a sigh of relief and told my teacher, “Put 10thz in the fifth-grade, I got the last seven questions wrong!”

10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

[Bozooka]

Hey 10thZ another fine cut and past post.. Here is the link to the real Version of your post!

http://www.authorsden.com/categories/story_top.asp?catid=19&id=22216

[10thzodiac]

Hey 10Z another fine cut and past post.. Here is the link to the real Version of your post!

http://www.authorsden.com/categories/story_top.asp?catid=19&id=22216

Elementary, my dear Watson !

Anymore geniuses at home http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

BTW, I'm the originator [decider] http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif

[Bozooka]

Elementary, my dear Watson !

Anymore geniuses at home

:thumbdown BTW, I'm the originator [decider]:thumbdown http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif



O.K. Cynth'ya if you are the originator you are missing something between your legs. The author and name of the original is...Dirty minded principal by Cynth'ya Lewis Reed

[10thzodiac]

O.K. Cynth'ya if you are the originator you are missing something between your legs. The author and name of the original is...Dirty minded principal by Cynth'ya Lewis Reed

You are good, like I said, "anymore geniuses at home ?" I bet you went to Yale and Harvard too. Can't fool you http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Listen to audio (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-foolme.htm) or watch video (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushfoolme.htm))

copy (cut) and paste
10thz
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

[drumcorpssnare]

Hey 10thz- Starting with the principal's question, "What is 3X3?"...I got 'em all wrong!

But...in all honesty, I have had occaisions in my life where history professors or members of military roundtables have asked me, "Where did you get your Masters?" or "Are you a history PhD.?" Ya know, that type of thing...

Never been to college. Got my GED in the Corps.

True story.

drum

[3077India]

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Listen to audio (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-foolme.htm) or watch video (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushfoolme.htm))I remember when President Bush said that; he actually screwed up the saying which goes something like this, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me..."

[10thzodiac]

Hey 10thz- Starting with the principal's question, "What is 3X3?"...I got 'em all wrong!

But...in all honesty, I have had occasions in my life where history professors or members of military roundtables have asked me, "Where did you get your Masters?" or "Are you a history PhD.?" Ya know, that type of thing...

Never been to college. Got my GED in the Corps.

True story.

drum

I never learned my times tables well either, until this day when I get up to around the seven's my sawdust starts to smolder, except for tens http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/18.gif

When my Corporate attorney introduced me with a former IRS agent (attorney) to do my taxes, the Corporate attorney told me that I'm a real success story, doctors and lawyers make the money I make. When the tax attorney asked me how much I made, I honestly couldn't verbally count that high. I knew I apparently was making more than him, I could tell by the disgusted look on his face, this dummy can't even count and he makes more than me http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/12.gif

My first job after I got out of the Corps was a milkman (1 month) where my brother worked. I failed the math test and was told to come back again in a week for another try. When I came back I was told that I scored as high as if I had went to college. I Did not like getting up at three in the morning, fuk being a milkman !

I'm a slow learner, but when I learn something, I'm hard to beat.

i.e. I couldn't shoot out of boot-camp [non-qual], but by the time I got out of the corps, the Battalion Commander had congratulated me at the rifle range for shooting so well. Could of had an even higher score but the guy next to me gave me a couple of extra bulls-eyes and spoiled my target, I then got two fours and eight fives instead of ten fives, not to mention the hang fire that got away from me (zero). I still went over expert with a Maggie's Drawers.

I hated ****** English class in school, 90 % of the ****** English teachers too.

If it wasn't for iespell check here, you'd know I hated English. Well, maybe I embellished that one a little.

I also got my GED in the Corps.

True story. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

[Bozooka]

Looks like a few of us were brain dead before we got our GEDs. I joined the crotch (old marine saying) 3 moths after my 17th birthday to get out of trouble. I quite high school and was going up the wrong road. I received my Ged in the Marine Corps. When I got back from Nam and got out I went to a community college. I had to take a basic English course because I hated English too. The class was on a Saturday. The professor asked us to write a paragraph or two about ourselves and hand it in the next Saturday. Well I did what he asked. The next Saturday he went around the room commenting on everyone's papers. When he got to me he said "Mr.my last name.. I would like to know were you learned the English .language I stood up and replied "Well Sir to tell you the truth I did not learn the English language where I grew up I was thought American." Then I explained that I grew up on the streets of NYC and even my teachers spoke more slang in the class room. After hearing my explanation he told me " Good answer sit down." Needless to say he passed me and I passed American 301..


Oh and yes if it was not for spell check and ispell I also would be SOL....

This is no bull it is true..

[rktect3j]

The ignorance level keeps going up 10th. You don't have to read the book. You don't have to try to educate yourself, anymore, as I see you stopped learning anything many years ago after you had elarned it all. Hell, If I new it all years ago I would have stopped too. But please stop trying to pass yourself off as enlightened.

[10thzodiac]

Looking back, it's was those GD hormones, I couldn't sit still in school. My supposedly senior year I only had 2 1/2 years of credit. What little time I hung around my senior year (Marines October) I...

[Bozooka]

Hi I have not read the book nor watched Jefferson 101! But what I do know about the Muslim pirates back then that they black mailed the US . The US paid for many years ( I believe 15yrs )not to have our ships attacked and Hijacked by the pirates. Now they have hijacked there own religion and have the whole world black mailed.. Some countries have given in to them already. As much I do not like the war we need to stop them someplace, before we are fighting them in our streets. I am truly afraid in the near future that is going to happen. The radical Muslim world has infiltrated everything, I believe they have also infiltrated our branches of services and we are training them!!! We are to lax on our immigration laws and our military is to eager to allow foreigners join..

America wake up. Soon we will be reading the book called the rise and fall of America.

[10thzodiac]

Hi I have not read the book nor watched Jefferson 101! But what I do know about the Muslim pirates back then that they black mailed the US . The US paid for many years ( I believe 15yrs )not to have our ships attacked and Hijacked by the pirates. Now they have hijacked there own religion and have the whole world black mailed.. Some countries have given in to them already. As much I do not like the war we need to stop them someplace, before we are fighting them in our streets. I am truly afraid in the near future that is going to happen. The radical Muslim world has infiltrated everything, I believe they have also infiltrated our branches of services and we are training them!!! We are to lax on our immigration laws and our military is to eager to allow foreigners join..

America wake up. Soon we will be reading the book called the rise and fall of America.

The Death of the West
by Patrick J. Buchanan
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“How on earth did we get to where we are today?”
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The central point of Buchanan’s book is that “the West is dying.” Buchanan addresses this point from both a purely American standpoint and a European standpoint. He identifies four “clear and present dangers” facing the West: dying populations; mass immigration of people from “different colors, creeds, and cultures”; the rise of anti-Western sentiment and culture within the West; and the breakup of nations and the increased support for a single world government. Buchanan writes that though the West “does not lack the capacity or power to repel these dangers . . . it seems to lack the desire or will to maintain itself as a vital, separate, unique civilization.” In colorful words, he describes a “culture war” for the very soul of our civilization.

“To preserve their rights and their right to live as they wished, the Founding Fathers had to become rebels. So shall we.”

http://www.virtuemag.org/articles/book-review-of-the-death-of-the-west

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[3077India]

10thzodiac, it is interesting that you refer to Buchanan. While he has often been denounced as a right-wing extremist he has been the only one to point out what has been consistently demonstrated by the figures of the US Census Bureau and the population figures for Europe -- that we, as a people (whites) are dying out. Of all the races, whites are the only ones that are at or near zero-population growth, meaning we aren't meeting our replacement level. We don't produce enough children to guarantee the continuance and growth of our people. Case-in-point, at the beginning of the 20th century the total white population worldwide was 30% of the world population, but by the end of that century it was down to a mere 7%. It is predicted that by the end of this century we will either be completely extinct or endanger of extinction. In short, we are on our way out.

[10thzodiac]

10thzodiac, it is interesting that you refer to Buchanan. While he has often been denounced as a right-wing extremist he has been the only one to point out what has been consistently demonstrated by the figures of the US Census Bureau and the population figures for Europe -- that we, as a people (whites) are dying out. Of all the races, whites are the only ones that are at or near zero-population growth, meaning we aren't meeting our replacement level. We don't produce enough children to guarantee the continuance and growth of our people. Case-in-point, at the beginning of the 20th century the total white population worldwide was 30% of the world population, but by the end of that century it was down to a mere 7%. It is predicted that by the end of this century we will either be completely extinct or endanger of extinction. In short, we are on our way out.

Without any research excepting for tidbits I've been picking up here and there, in Japan there is a large segment of their younger female population are not marrying and having children. The ones that are married are being bribed by the government to have children. Japan is also experiencing a negative population growth, consequently there is an influx of Chinese, Korean and Filipino's for labor, of course we all know how that works, before you know it they'll be citizens too.

Personally, I think this is inevitable. What I find quite amusing is that Adolf Hitler who wanted a pure Aryn race [Germany]to rule the world, believed originally that the pure Aryn was not a blond blue eyed Anglo-Saxon, but a mongoloid Tibetan type. Incidentally Hitler only feared England because they were the only other Anglo-Saxons in Europe. Hitler considered King Edward VIII of England to be friendly toward Nazi Germany, saying "His abdication was a severe loss for us." Many historians have suggested that Hitler was prepared to reinstate Edward as King in the hope of establishing a fascist Britain.

An intelligent [bigoted] German born co-worker [boss] of mine, son of a German soldier who was hosed at Stalingrad by a machine-gun, told a dark Palestine whom we worked with, " If it wasn't for your people selling your women to the Jews, we'd have a pure race now." The Heinie was as serious as the day was long when he told Steve that. The Palestine was infuriated with that, and came to me [union steward] and wanted to know if I heard him say that and wanted him fired. I told him, "all I heard [truth] is what you told him", "I don't give a sh*t about that, that happened a million ****** years ago!"

Based somewhat on the above in part or whole, this seem to going on for a long time, civilizations as we know them, coming and going.

[Bozooka]

I have not read his book, but have heard about it.

"What can be said for a man who would allow his home to be invaded by strangers who demanded that they be fed, clothed, housed and granted the rights of the firstborn? What can be said for a ruling elite that permits this to be done to the nation, and that celebrates it as a milestone of moral progress?" Patrick J. Buchanan

"Against the will of a vast majority of Americans, America is being transformed. As our elites nervously avert their gaze or welcome the invasion, we are witness to one of the great tragedies in human history..."
Patrick J. Buchanan

Yes I can cut and past too...:D

[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- Re: the last three words of your last post.....
There are a lot of people who don't have a clue if they're "coming or going."
Not me!
I know, that one is yellow...and the other is white!:D
(I ain't no dummy)
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[Bozooka]

"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay as soft as we are now. There won't be any America-because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.".....Chesty Puller...USMC


Good night Chesty wherever you are...:D

[10thzodiac]

10thz- Re: the last three words of your last post.....
There are a lot of people who don't have a clue if they're "coming or going."
Not me!
I know, that one is yellow...and the other is white!
(I ain't no dummy)
drumcorpssnare

A very good Black friend of mine I use to work with from Mississippi and 7th Calvary Veteran Vietnam (cook) told me very seriously, "that the real reason why Lincoln freed the slaves was: That he didn't want a'BEIGE' America !"

I always did like Spanish girls http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gifhttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/07.gif

10thzhttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif

[drumcorpssnare]

10thz- When it comes to the female persuasion....I don't like them fat or skinny, rich or poor, smart or stupid, tall or short, old or young. I don't care if they are black, white, red, brown, yellow, or even green! I just want 'em "bad."
'cause when they're good, they're good...but when they're bad........They're REAL GOOD!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[Bozooka]

10thz- When it comes to the female persuasion....I don't like them fat or skinny, rich or poor, smart or stupid, tall or short, old or young. I don't care if they are black, white, red, brown, yellow, or even green! I just want 'em "bad."
'cause when they're good, they're good...but when they're bad........They're REAL GOOD!

drumcorpssnare:usmc:

:( unless you have erectile dysfunction..Then it doesn't matter..:(

[drumcorpssnare]

Mine's harder than Chinese arithmetic, so I needn't worry!
...also see- 'so hard a cat couldn't scratch it'...'harder than a *****'s heart on a Sunday morning'...

cross-reference to- "She makes my sticker peck out."

:banana:
drumcorpssnare:usmc:

[3077India]

Without any research excepting for tidbits I've been picking up here and there, in Japan there is a large segment of their younger female population are not marrying and having children. The ones that are married are being bribed by the government to have children. Japan is also experiencing a negative population growth, consequently there is an influx of Chinese, Korean and Filipino's for labor, of course we all know how that works, before you know it they'll be citizens too.

Personally, I think this is inevitable. What I find quite amusing is that Adolf Hitler who wanted a pure Aryn race [Germany]to rule the world, believed originally that the pure Aryn was not a blond blue eyed Anglo-Saxon, but a mongoloid Tibetan type. Incidentally Hitler only feared England because they were the only other Anglo-Saxons in Europe. Hitler considered King Edward VIII of England to be friendly toward Nazi Germany, saying "His abdication was a severe loss for us." Many historians have suggested that Hitler was prepared to reinstate Edward as King in the hope of establishing a fascist Britain.

An intelligent German born co-worker [boss] of mine, son of a German soldier who was hosed at Stalingrad by a machine-gun, told a dark Palestine whom we worked with, " If it wasn't for your people selling your women to the Jews, we'd have a pure race now." The Heinie was as serious as the day was long when he told Steve that. The Palestine was infuriated with that, and came to me [union steward] and wanted to know if I heard him say that and wanted him fired. I told him, "all I heard [truth] is what you told him", "I don't give a sh*t about that, that happened a million ****** years ago!"

Based somewhat on the above in part or whole, this seem to going on for a long time, civilizations as we know them, coming and going.While I was not aware of Japan's population dilemma, they are apart of the same racial grouping as the Mongolians, Koreans and Chinese and I seem to recall there being 1.8 billion Chinese, so that racial grouping isn't about to die out anytime soon. But what is being predicated by census agencies in Europe and America is that their won't be a single white majority nation anywhere in the world by the middle of this century. We can already see this happening now in America; if history should've taught us anything about the rise and fall of civilizations, its that civilizations don't fall from corruption or from attack, but the dissolution of the race that created the civilization to begin with. The Roman Empire collapsed because there weren't any Real Romans left at the time it fell so they had little to no vested interest in continuing Roman Civilization, the same is true of the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Greeks and the Ancient Indians (no, I don't mean American Indians).

The same is going to happen to America, [B]if the current trend of uncontrolled immigration (both legal and illegal) continues. While I don't expect it to happen all at once, I do think that it may very well happen in increments with the nation being divided into several different sub-nations. Incidentally the only parts of the country that still have high concentrations of (whites 80% or higher) are the Mid-West, the Rockies (From Colorado to the Canadian Border), New England and Florida.

[rktect3j]

There was a time back in the 60's where if things had kept there present course it was expected that people would be living on the moon by now.

So there is the thing of it. The only constant is that there is no constant. Current trends are based on stagnant data and nobody can predict the future.

Will the white race die out? Maybe, but who cares. Maybe it will fade into the background and the new majority will treat the white minority really crappy while they start a decline of their own. Then the white population may regain in numbers.

Up, down. Up, down. Round and round we go.

[3077India]

There was a time back in the 60's where if things had kept there present course it was expected that people would be living on the moon by now.

So there is the thing of it. The only constant is that there is no constant. Current trends are based on stagnant data and nobody can predict the future.

Will the white race die out? Maybe, but who cares. Maybe it will fade into the background and the new majority will treat the white minority really crappy while they start a decline of their own. Then the white population may regain in numbers.

Up, down. Up, down. Round and round we go.You got that right, because the percentage of immigration into America and Europe has been steadily increasing. The only thing these Census Agencies are certain of is that whites will be a very large minority in their own countries by the middle of this century. According to the 2000 US Census whites were, at best, 67% of the population, that is certainly less now. The US Census Bureau predicted, based on the rate of decrease from the 1990 census to the 2000 census that whites could make up only 61% or less by the 2010 census, last I heard (well read actually) they were saying that figure is certainly less now. So you are right, nothing is constant, nothing is certain, not even the future existence of the United States.

[10thzodiac]

We're ALL Black -- According to Geneticists!

Excerpted from the New York Times

White people are pale adaptations of black people that evolved during the past 140,000 years.

Pennsylvania State University, where about 90 students took complex genetic screening tests that compared their samples with those of four regional groups.

Many of these students thought of themselves as "100 percent" white or black or something else, but only a tiny fraction of them, as it turned out, actually fell into that category.

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One "white" student learned that 14 percent of his DNA came from Africa - and 6 percent from East Asia.

http://www.adversity.net/FRAMES/Editorials/54_Paler_Shade_of_Black.htm
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[3077India]

http://www.adversity.net/FRAMES/Editorials/54_Paler_Shade_of_Black.htmYeah, I heard about this; it was also debunked, because the study wasn't duplicated at any other sites. A study is only as creditable as is the ability to duplicate the results and draw the same conclusions. Other geneticists have drawn different conclusions from those results, such being that a person's ancestors interbred outside their own race.

The finding of different genetic tissue known to be associated with a given population group doesn't mean, beyond all doubt, that race, as a determining factor is without sciological or scientific basis. People have been intermarrying outside their race for hundreds of years and it isn't likely to stop, infact it has only increased as transportation has improved and become available to a greater number of people that it wouldn't have been otherwise.

[Bozooka]

People Come in and out of America so fast the Census Agencies can't count that fast. Census and polls are hog wash! But I do believe the white, black and Hispanic ethnic groups will disappear in the near future and we will have an all OLIVE civilization. Interracial marriage has been around for awhile but in the last few years I have seen more interracial couples in my town then you can count, and most of them have 2 or 3 children. Interracial marriage is getting to be a trend. This does not bother me one bit! But we do need to close our boarders to illegals.:devious: Dig a mote along the whole boarder and fill it with Piranhas, gators and any fleshing loving creature. Then we wouldn't need to build a fence and spend billions of dollars. Matter of fact the gov. could sell the dirt that is dug from the mote to contractors and make money and cut our tax's!!!:D ... S--hit We could even put John Kerry in it on a swift boat and let him patrol the mote.:yes: .

[10thzodiac]

Yeah, I can just hear what the [American] Indians were saying when they spotted <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><ST1:place>Columbus</ST1:place></st1:City>, “Do you think this might be the nose of the camel under our tent ?”
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[3077India]

It isn't our fault they didn't handle with better care the protection of their borders and shores. :nerd: :p

[10thzodiac]

It isn't our fault they didn't handle with better care the protection of their borders and shores. :nerd: :p
"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. Not a single drop of American blood should ever again be spilled on foreign soil. Let's build up a national defense so tight that even a rat couldn't crawl through! War for any other reason is simply a racket." ~ Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC on Interventionism

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[3077India]

"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. Not a single drop of American blood should ever again be spilled on foreign soil. Let's build up a national defense so tight that even a rat couldn't crawl through! War for any other reason is simply a racket." ~ Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC on Interventionism

10thz http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gifI'm inclined to agree with your interpretation, after all, if you'll pardon the cliche' What goes around, comes around. What we did to the American Indians may very well come around and bite us in the a**.

[FistFu68]

:evilgrin: AND ON THE EIGHTH DAY~GOD CREATED~MARINES :evilgrin: :iwo: