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thedrifter
01-20-03, 06:51 PM
Protesters are met with war's supporters
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Counterdemonstrators were few compared with anti-war protesters yesterday, but they made their sentiments known at the U.S. Marine barracks.
By midafternoon, anti-war protesters were about two-thirds of the way through their march from the National Mall to the Navy Yard in Southeast when they met 80 counterdemonstrators outside the barracks at Eighth and I streets SE. The counterdemonstrators waved American flags and signs, some of which read "If you must burn our flag, wrap yourself in it first" and "What Would You Have Done on Flight 93? Free Iraq Now."
The vanguard of the protest marchers rushed toward the counterdemonstrators but were blocked by a wall of Metro police officers on foot, bicycle and motorcycle, along with six red-jacketed Guardian Angels. For the next 90 minutes, each new wave of protesters brought more shouting matches with their American flag-waving opponents, drawn from the ranks of FreeRepublic.com, called on its Web site the "premier conservative news forum," and Marines and Other Veterans Engaging Un-American Traitors.
Counterdemonstrators brandished signs such as "Welcome million Osama march" and "Free Iraq — Let's roll."
"I came to engage in some stimulating dialogue and to see democracy in operation," said Richard, 47, of Norfolk who retired from the U.S. Coast Guard. "I only wish the Iraqis had the same." He would not give his last name.
"Swim to Cuba, comrade," an unidentified female FreeRepublic.com member shouted through a bullhorn.
Earlier in the day, Guardian Angels founder Curtis Sliwa spoke to the group of counterdemonstrators at a rally near the Lincoln Memorial.
"You are the core of America," he said. "Most Americans are sitting home like couch potatoes and watching this."
Although the counterdemonstrators were a smaller group, they were eager to proclaim that not everyone on site was anti-war. One small group of Laotians, representing several human rights groups from that country, blasted Laos' dreary human rights record.
"We ask today for Laos to be added to the 'axis of evil,'" said Philip Smith, director for the Washington chapter of the Lao Veterans of America, referring to President Bush's categorization of Iraq, Iran and North Korea.
"Just as Saddam is waging an ethnic war against the Kurds, so has the [Communist] Pathet Lao waged an ethnic war against the Hmong people," he said, referring to a northern tribe.
Aziz Al-Taee, a representative of the Iraqi-American Council who spoke to the Marines and Other Veterans, and the FreeRepublic.com groups, said none of the anti-war speakers accurately described the Iraqi dictator.
"They never tell of Saddam's horrible crimes," he said. "They never want to show pictures of Halabja, but they only want to show pictures of people affected by the [United Nations´] sanctions." Halabja was the scene of a gassing of 6,000 Kurds by Saddam Hussein in 1988.
Kevin Martin, a black retired Navy veteran from Baltimore, said protest march organizers' assertions of fighting against racism are false.
"If all the demonstrators want to end racism," he said, "why do they support slavery in the Sudan?"
•H.J. Brier contributed to this report.


Sempers,

Roger

MillRatUSMC
01-20-03, 10:06 PM
http://www.kdp.pp.se/3.gif

Halabja, standing against oppression
Joy and happiness permeated the air in Halabja.
Smiles never faded from the lips of the ever oppressed people of this town.
The Iraqi fighter planes carried out the chemical bombing of Halabja, and some hours later the news came that Khormal, too, had suffered chemical bombing.
The sound of laughter died down.
Children sought the shelter of their mothers' arms.
This was the beginning of the great crime of history.
On Thursday March 17, 1988, and on Friday March 18,
there took place one of the most shameful and fearful inhumane crimes of history in Halabja.
The town of Halabja was bombed with chemical and cluster bombs more than twenty times by Iraqi fighter planes.
In every street and alley women and children rolled over one another.
The sound of crying and groans rose from every house in the town.
Many families who were sleeping happily in their beds in their liberated town, were subjected before sunrise to chemical bombing, and poisonous gases did not even allow them to rise from their beds.
Such was the situation on the bloody Friday of Halabja.

All this from this page on the web;
http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html
Bloody Friday,
Chemical massacre of the people of Halabja
by the Iraqi regime March 1988.

Wondering if many of those protesting would be out there if they saw all this?

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

firstsgtmike
01-20-03, 10:39 PM
Should be sent to EVERY protesting organization.

DO YOU SUPPORT THIS? YES OR NO?

If YES, you now have another porno pic to help you beat your meat.

If NO, then get your group together, take them to IRAQ, and organize protest marches THERE.

You will have the support of all of the survivors of Halabja.

Barndog
01-21-03, 04:29 AM
Top...... trying to gain wisdom and perspective here. Help me out.

Putting aside the circumstances which lead to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (both of which I have been too while in the Marine Corps, because I felt an innate desire to understand)

Would this be like trying to find the survivor of the 'Man'- whose image is burned into the marble steps, about 200 yards from Groumd Zero in Hiroshima, where the Peace Memorial is located?

I stood at that monument many times....... and pontificated, long before I knew what the word meant - that very premise.

Wonder what those dickheads would think about that perspective?

Barndog
01-21-03, 04:32 AM
KNOWING FULL WELL I WOULD DIE FOR THEIR RIGHT TO SPEW THEIR VILE!!

Gee.......... I wonder if that fuse is just smokin, or if it's gone completely inside the stick.

firstsgtmike
01-21-03, 06:12 AM
Barndog,

My post was a little too smartass, so let me explain what was really on my mind.

It takes two sides to have a war, if one side does not fight back, it's not a war but a massacre.

We gave Iraq an "either-or else". In some situations, this could be called extortion, Such as Germany did before WWII. Either give us this land, or else we will take it.

Iraq has said they don't have WMD. We told them to prove it, or else. There IS a difference.

The best way for the anti-war protesters to stop the war, is to go to IRAQ and point out that if IRAQ had told the truth, there would be no war.

And if IRAQ HAD lied, they could turn the lie into the truth by giving up or destroying their WMD.

One way to get the ball rolling is to ask IRAQ if the Halabja massacre was their way of getting rid of their WMD, were ALL of them expended at that time, and where are the leftovers, if any.

Let the anti-war protesters start with THAT (and see how far they get in exercising their right to protest).

And if their protest march was gassed, the survivors would rush back to the US screaming "KILL the MOTHER****ERS!"

Meanwhile, the arms inspectors could continue questioning the IRAQI biological and chemical scientists that created that ****.

It just ****es me off to be in the middle of a fight and have the guy's wife screaming, don't hurt my husband!

I say, Lady, if you want anything left of him, you better get his sorry ass outta here NOW! Because if he gets up again, you'll need a crane to get him out of the hole I'll stomp him in.

As far as Hiroshima and Nagasaki goes, that was an either-or else situation too. Nagasaki was a waste, because Hiroshima should have made them believers.

But that's just my opinion.