The Anti-War message has changed

[Sparrowhawk]

Since these anti-war protestors actually help terrorism, why can't we freeze Mr. Jackson's assets?

Or any university and other non-profit organization that support the enemies of our freedom?

So, far the general public is not interested in the demonstrators message, but we can not afford to remain silent. we need to figure out a way to say to our troops we support you. What can we do?



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[Barndog]

Thats a damm good one, Hawk.

Sounds as clear as what they're sayin to me.

[wrbones]

Hell, they don't even know what they're saying.

emails and letters, folks. phone calls, too, fer starters.

to politicians complainin about it,

to the troops lettin them know that we understand and that we are behind them.

Who's got some other ideas?

You know, I consider myself to be a little right of center, but the more these protesters go on, the farther to the right I find myself...or are they just that friggin' far to the left to start with?

[SHOOTER1]

Im with you bones, i thought i was right of center also, but they are forcing me way over to the right side, Nuke um all , let God sort them out.

[GyG1345]

even if we could shut them up....

What about the rest of us then?

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[mrbsox]

I say Give PEACE a chance......



PEACE....



thru superior firepower !! :marine:

[wrbones]

That's the trick ain't it Gunny?

I was wonderin' if there's anyway we can see who financed and is financin' them? All that money is comin' from someplace other than college kids and such.

Other than that, it's all about fillin' yer local politicos' mail boxes and answering machines with letters and notes tellin' them what ya think.

Anymore ideas on top of that? I'm doin' what I can that way myself.

[NEWB]

Bones,
I found out one way to shut up a protester. Just come out and ask them what the hell gives them the right to yell and scream anti-war crap. They will say " It is my constitutional right. Then I just say "Well, who defends that right? DUH!!!!!!!
Of course, if that doesn't work.....A good swift kick in the a** usually gets my point across. Sort of like the SGT Mike I posted.

[NEWB]

:banana:
Sorry Bones, was going to show you the SGT Mike but already have it.

[Art Petersn]

From the net...courtesy of Dutch...

A Brief History of Germany

1871 - Bismark founds modern Germany.
1890 - Bismark sacked, warmonger Wilhelm II takes direct control.
1914 - Germany starts World War I
1914-1918 - Germany kills millions upon millions of people.
1917 - Germany force peace loving Americans to enter war.
1918 - Germany loses World War I.
1920's - Germans try democracy.
1933 - Germans reject democracy, allow Hitler to take power.
1939 - Germany starts World War II.
1939-1945 - Germany kills millions upon millions of people.
1941 - Germany force peace loving Americans to enter war.
1945 - Germany loses World War II.
1946 - Germans whine about lack of food, America gives billions in food aid to feed them.
1947 - Germans whine about crappy economy, America gives billions in Marshall Plan aid to rebuild German economy.
1948-1949 - America puts ass on line and risk WW3 to save a few Berliners from Soviet hordes.
1949 - Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) established.
1950's - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1950's - German 'economic miracle' occurs while America keeps watch on Soviet hordes.
1955 - NATO formed to protect West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1960's - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1960's - German students protest war in Vietnam and American civil rights.
1963 - American President John Kennedy makes "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.
1970's - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1970's - Germans form the marxist terrorist group Red Army Faction (RAF).
1970's - Leftist German guerrillas burn, loot, and plunder much of West Germany.
1980's - America spends tens of billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1980's - German leftists ***** about Pershing II missles.
1987 - American President Ronald Reagan makes "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" speech.
1989 - Gorbachev tears down Berlin Wall.
1990 - German Reunification.
1990's - America spends tens of billions to defend Germany from Islamic hordes.
1990's - Germany stands by as ethnic cleasing occurs in Balkans.
1993 - Germany joins European Union.
1995 - Americans send troops to Bosnia as Germans watch from the sidelines.
1997 - Germans finally send troops to Bosnia.
1998 - Hardline, left-of-left socialist come to power under Gerhard Schroeder.
1999 - American's lead air war to save Kosovo as Germans watch from the sidelines.
2001 - Schroeder offers solidarity to America after 9/11 attacks.
2002 - Schroeder bashes America to distract voters during election campaign.
2003 - Germany sees rise in anti-americanism after several decades of poor treatment from America.

AND YOU THOUGHT THE FRENCH WERE UNGRATEFUL?

[wrbones]

Hey, Art. Are you saying that there's a pattern here! :D :D

[Sparrowhawk]

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They have a right to protest and I am seeing the same left wing radicals behind this movement that were involved in the 60's. Same mentality and that didn't help our troops. Hanoi was encouraged to keep fighting by protestors in the United States. And when I became a Police officer and arrested protestors that were causing trouble, I found the same sort of words and language on their leaflets they were distributing as I had found on the jungle trails of Vietnam.




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Now, its Iraq that is encuraged by their protests.

I think I'll start a

stupidantiwarprotestors dot com web site

then I'll go out where they are protesting and take their pictures, up front and close and have others that support our troops take pictures of them and send them to us and we'll expose the same individuals then we'll send the pictures to our new home land security office so that they can freeze their assets on account we all know they are helping terrorism




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[virwar]

Looks like a target rich environment to me...

[eddief]

According to polls at least 30% of the American people do not
support going to war with Iraq. You can't just label this large
minority of Americans as anti-American. Don't you know that
this is a typical propaganda tactic of the corporate pro-war
media. With their coverage of these protests they always
target the anti-American riffraff that always seems to attach
themselves to these things. These groups have always been
funded by the elites so as to spoil the whole bunch. The more
coverage the protests get the stronger the support for the
President's position is. It's a perfect psy-op.

[Frank]

"Corporate pro-war media"? Holy Sh*t!!!

[Phantom Blooper]

Gutless,Spineless,Jellyfish!! They have b*lls so small if they fell off and hit the floor they would go: clink,clink.....

[mrbsox]

Hey...

How about an "Anti-Pacifist" march :D

[NEWB]

Wonder what would happen if the "PROTESTERS" protested where the twin towers once stood? Or in Pennsylvania where the plane went in. The phrase "Payback is a MedEvac" comes to mind.

[eddief]

Some protesters were very anti-American. I believe the majority are just anti-war. You can be a good American and disagree with
your government's policies.

[JChristin]

I can respect the RIGHT to disagree with policy. But I cannot respect those who oppose the liberation of suppressed people anywhere - especially when our Marines and other military personnel are preparing for an engagement and for which lives will be paid so others can be free.

I say, load them all up in planes with their soul mate Jane Fonda, and fly them over to downtown Bagdaggie. Be that bit ch Jane Fonda can "reason" with the great Saddam. Heck, they can do all their protesting there. Now, how many of them would have the courage to go? Look at our people and look at theirs. Who's got the courage, guts and ability to stand up for what they believe in?

They ain't worth squant, those yellow belly left-winging liberal protesters. If they are anti-American, let'em live elsewhere. Hell, Iraq would be ideal.

Let's make our own marches around this great country of ours. Organize locally and march on the same day. In support of the Presidents policy in regards to Iraq.



semper fi,
jchristin

[sendinghome]

I posted this in one other thread -- seems to belong here instead--

As one who grew up in the military and served as a Marine infantry officer, without seeing combat, during the Viet Nam era, I remember well the demands for peace and how my fellow officers and I grappled with our personal assessment of the issues.

I remember well sitting in the Pearl Harbor Officer’s club with a dozen officers, two thirds of them who had fought, six wounded, all having earned medals for bravery and all had sent and led men to their deaths in that conflict. I remember well their looks when it was announced that Saigon had fallen. They had obeyed; men had died – had they been right?

I remember well the feelings over the past two decades when reading one revelation after another from Nixon, McNamara, Westmoreland – men had made mistakes and the country has paid a terrible price – beyond the Names on the Wall.

They remember these things – those who are leading us now and they saw part of the agony assuaged in Desert Storm by having a professional military allowed to execute a clearly justifiable mission without undue political influence. They say they won’t repeat the mistakes.

My son sits in the sand somewhere over there today leading a platoon of Marines, all of them ready to obey. I find myself watching the demonstrators. These sons and daughters of those who taunted my fellow marines and me are again saying -- peace at any price, anything rather than war. Is this more Viet Nam or Desert Storm?

Is this a cowboy finishing his father’s job or is it as the signs say, just about oil? Is my son’s life and those of his marines just the political chips of a swaggering bully?

These are questions that need to be answered. But rather than slogans and philosophies, if my son’s life, and the lives of 250,000 sons, daughters, fathers and mothers are going to be put on the line, I want to know the facts. As I understand them, they include the following:

Saddam Hussein is the only sitting national leader today that has used weapons of mass destruction not only on his enemies but on his own people as well.

He launched a war in 1980 that lasted 8 years and cost 1.5 million war-related casualties. He used WMD on numerous occasions in that war.

Only two years after peace in that pointless war, he invaded Kuwait. During this war he had contingency plans to use WMD not only on troops but also on Israel and other nations. He didn’t use them out of moral restraint but out of abject fear – created by an overwhelming military force.

In leaving Kuwait he purposely and pointlessly blew up dozens of wells, causing significant environmental damage.

Historians believe both wars were fundamentally launched because of Hussein’s “miscalculations”, although his personal bodyguard executed 5 generals on Hussein’s orders when they came to report the retreat from Kuwait.

He admitted in specific written detailed reports, to the UN, to spending billions to create the capacity for and the actual creation of huge stocks of chemical and biological weapons and the pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.

He agreed to destroy those weapons. Israel had to blow up an Iraqi nuclear facility on its own in 1981 or he may well have had an entirely different capability in Kuwait.

He ran out the UN before proving he had done so and we allowed him to ignore the UN.

He has provided no evidence of the elimination of these weapons and production capabilities.

He has had 10 years and $20,000,000,000 a year and the best engineering minds money can buy to figure out how to hide those weapons in a closed society with a land area as big as California, much of it unoccupied.

He is “cooperating” now and only because of unrelenting pressure. Nonetheless, if 20 years and 20,000 inspectors would save bloodshed, that is preferable. But it is not practical or possible with such as Hussein.

He has proven he is willing to assassinate, torture, invade and violate every international law and convention.

The public does not know if he is connected to Al Quaeda, but we know he detest the west and wishes us defeated. We know that with only one more simple “miscalculation” this man has the weapons and the willingness to use them or to provide them to others seeking to cause not thousands but millions of casualties.

We sit around and cluck our tongues at the failed leadership that brought us Munich, Pearl Harbor, the USS Cole and even 9-11. We must recognize it was leadership that brought about those and dozens of other 20th century disasters – the leadership and vision of our enemies. It was also leadership that destroyed the nuclear facilities in 1981.

We are seeing that rare exhibition of leadership in anticipation of disaster, in the face of blatant disregard for the lawful demands of the world. The price of such leadership is second-guessing and simplistic “blood for oil” slogans.

We all know that the president would have been hounded into obscurity if he had acted in August to close the airlines down to prevent 9-11 on the information he had. Many of those marching last weekend would have been the first to do so, criticizing the “cowboy”.

The greatest thing our first responders do to keep us safe is the situations they prevent from requiring a response at all, by preventing crime and fires.

The greatest thing a President can do is not to show leadership after a disaster but to show leadership in preventing one. By God’s grace, it appears we have one that seeks to do both.

I desperately hope that not a shot is fired in Iraq. I pray daily – several times a day -- that this menace to the world will be eliminated by bloodless means. The facts, though, seem to say we have to act, not wait to react. If anyone has any other valid perspective – based on facts, we need to hear them and hear them now.

And by the way, if as a by-product of getting rid of this threat to all we value means that my gasoline is a little cheaper or Bush can high-five his dad, more power to them.