Intelligence specialist

[MackMaster]

Can someone please tell me what an Intelligence Specialist does?
I know that I go to school in Virginia for three months but then?????
Every place online says they collect and analyze data blah blah blah
This is a horrible explination. So can somebody who has this MOS or knows somebody with this MOS please give me a real world explanation or at least an example of the kind of stuff they do. I hear the promotions are fast and there is great oppertunity to use this experience in the civilian world after I am out.Is this true?
Is the job fun? Is it boring? Do you travel a lot? Is the school hard? Come on guys tell me something ...........Anything!!!!!

[Marine84]

You getting a little ahead of yourself there Sparky.....................worry about making it through BOOTCAMP first!

[Camper51]

What's the matter MackMaster, you used to getting answers YOU want to hear??? You get the truth around here, not what is convenient. An Intelligence Specialist happens to do exactly what you read online. They collect data and analyze it. This means they read reports and make sense of them and try and glean information from them that might be helpful to our cause. It is highly specialized work and extremely important to our Corps and nation. Just because the description sounds like dull and boring work (and it may well be) doesn't mean it is. There is also the possibility that the work is classified and you aren't going to find out much about it until you have clearances.

Marine84 is right, you need to make it through bootcamp AND your specialty school first, then worry about the work you will really be doing in the Corps...

[cplbrooks]

i posted this on one of the other threads. Some of the former Marines on this site are getting a bit testy for whatever reason. Most of us are here to help. To the other Marines on this site who are getting $hitty and self important with the poolees you should relax a bit and try to answer questions rather than act like self important a-holes. These poolees will have plenty of time to deal with a-holes once they are in. We are here to answer questions and keep them motivated.


Intelligence Specialist:


I spent 6 moths in the 0231 field due to my security clearance when i checked into regimental HQ with 8th Marines. I didnt go to Dam Neck, VA for school. It was all OJT (on the job training). I loved it though. It was a lot of reading, writting and summarizing stuff and then passing it up or down the chain depending on who needed it. You will sift through 400 pages a day that come through the classified message board and then pick out what you are looking for. It was also a lot of maps etc. Just think of this, if it involved Enemy, Weather or terrain in your area of interest then you will be involved in it and should know it. It was a great job with great hours. I am glad to be back as an 0352 though because i didnt get dirty enough as an 0231.
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[Echo_Four_Bravo]

Cpl Brooks, I agree for the most part. But it does irritate me when the poolee seems to have an attitude when they ask the question, as if they somehow need to be in charge of the situation. I kind...

[Camper51]

i posted this on one of the other threads. Some of the former Marines on this site are getting a bit testy for whatever reason. Most of us are here to help. To the other Marines on this site who are getting $hitty and self important with the poolees you should relax a bit and try to answer questions rather than act like self important a-holes. These poolees will have plenty of time to deal with a-holes once they are in. We are here to answer questions and keep them motivated.
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TESTY!! Not me cplbrooks, when someone whines about the info they keep finding, and they say it all says the same thing, then I answer appropriately. They got EXACTLY the info they were looking for, just maybe not the ANSWER they were looking for.

Don't be jumpin in my doo doo because you wanna play pacifist and tell people what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. My statements were concise and accurate. The info available is what was on the sites looked at, and you said EXACTLY the same thing "collect and analyze data" you just used different words by saying you sift through maybe hundreds of pages looking for what you want then pull it out. That is collecting data and analyzing it no matter how you look at it...

[dscusmc]

I was an 0231 for 6 years on active duty and in the reserves, before I went to OCS. I've had a number of poolees send me private messages asking about the 0231 field, so I'll post some of what I've sent to them here.

I cannot over-emphasize the importance 0231's - even a lance corporal has tremendous responsibility as an 0231. Its hard to give a cookie-cutter explanation of what 0231's do - because your duties can vary wildly depending on the unit and section you are in.

I went to the intel school in 1998 and a number of my peers are now instructors there. Some of the training has probably changed, but this will give you a sense of what its about.

0231 training takes place at Damneck, Virginia in Virginia Beach. The training is 13 weeks long and was some of the best times of my life. Damneck is a great little Navy base. If you are lucky enough to go in the spring or summer - then Virginia Beach is a bang-up place to be.

The classes are small - 20-30 students. Usually, there is at least one corporal in the class that becomes the class leader. The training is wide-ranging. The 0231 is a jack-of-all trades and an expert in nothing. You start off learning about basic intelligence concepts - like the intelligence cycle, the structure of Marine Corps intelligence, intelligence theories, and a little bit of intelligence history.

Then, you receive some map-reading classes and navigation classes. These classes will go beyond the basic map-reading skills you get at boot camp. You will also learn about plotting enemy units on different types of maps and what the various symbols are.

You will get an introduction to research and briefing. You will have a security clearance and they will teach you how to use the Sensitive Information Protocol Network - SIPRnet in conducting classified research. You will probably have at least two briefs. You will have to do a country brief and a weapons brief. These are great briefing skills that I still use in the court-room and as 3rd year law student today.

You will learn about tactical intelligence. You will probably do a battle-field study at Yorktown. You will learn how to do a beach survey - like the recon teams do. Its tons of fun. You learn about different types of waves, currents, and depths. You may make a trip over to the Amphibious Warfare Center to see a mock amphibious landing display in a theater with huge models.

You will learn about Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield. You'll learn about the Intelligence Analyst's System (IAS), which is electronic map-plotting that we use today. I know many 0231's that have civilian employment that pays well and relates to the IAS.

IPB could be a course in itself. I'll just provide you this link: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...98-8_chap1.htm

Many students struggle with the IPB sections - but, its the essence of what 0231's do. IPB can be tedious, but its exciting to see how commanders shape the battlefield.

The course will culminate in a several day exercise in which you employ your new intel skills.

You can receive all sorts of follow-on training on active duty like SERE school, DIA Indications and Warnings Course, DIA Joint Intelligence Analyst's Course, Jump School, Dive School, Foreign Weapons Recognition School, Journeyman's Course, Counter-Intelligence lateral move, or possibly language courses.

Your duties vary dramatically depending on the unit you are with. You can go from a grunt unit or scout/snipers all the way to an air wing or MEF. Basic duties will include research, briefing Marines on a variety of topics from in-country threats on deployments to political situations. At the air wing, you will learn alot about radar systems and missiles.

At a grunt unit, your focus will be on small-arms weapons, IED's, militia units, terrorist units, and infantry tactics. You could find yourself de-briefing recon teams coming out of the field. Preferrably, you might get to go into the field with the teams and the grunts.

Your day can vary wildly depending on what is going on in the unit. At most units, you go to work at 0830, after PT, and then work on whatever they have going. If you like computers you could even work on that kind of stuff. Of course, you'll have to maintain all of your skills as a basic Marine also.

Enlisted 0231's have alot of responsibility in a command operations center. When a high ranking officer wants to know what's going on, he goes over to the lance corporal at the map that has actually been reading all of the messages and plotting stuff on the map. A young 0231 could easily find themself briefing a senior officer during their first enlistment.

The 0231 field is wide-open for whatever you want to do or wherever you want to be. If you want to be with the grunts you can go to the grunts. Or, you can go to a Joint high level unit.

The travel / deployment opportunities are vast - especially if you can get on a MEU. Promotions are typically faster than other MOS's, but its all timing. When I first enlisted, the MOS was flooded and it took me a while to pick up corporal. How fast the promotions are depends on many factors. You should be able to pick up sergeant in 4 years.

Intel isn't rocket science. The training is not hard, but you have to be diligent. A good intel analyst needs to have a wide range in interests and education. You should be a voracious reader that enjoys learning. You need to be a student of military tactics and weapons systems. You should understand geo-politics and culture. You should also pay attention to current events. Grunts will only respect you if you're tactically proficient and committed to providing them whatever information they need to accomplish the mission.

There are opportunities in the civilian world - but that's primarily because of the top secret clearance. I won't go into those opportunities here - because we should focus on Marine Corps intelligence.

Initiative is the key to success as an 0231. If you don't take any self-initiative, then you are worthless to an intel section. Intel NCO's will expect you to take the initiative in getting work done and coming up with better ways to do things. You will be expected to know what is going on and to be current on world events, strategy, and history. Your opinions will count.

Intel will only being boring if you let it be boring. You can have a negative attitude and envision yourself sitting in front of a computer going blind - or you can appreciate the unique opportunities to serve in the field supporting infantry units and supporting the decision-makers with timely intelligence. Your information will help shape how the general's / officers make their decisions to conduct the battle.

That's all I've got time for right now, so I hope that helps. LT C
https://www.npdc.navy.mil/cennavintel/nmitc/

[FooDawg]

Great description Dscusmc, I think that should have people not asking on the forums anymore since the answers are right there, but there is a problem with the globalsecurity website link you posted, for some reason the hyperlink is literal and isn't taking you to the proper page.
Thanks again for the great info, always neat to hear in depth about different oppurtunities that are there.

[dscusmc]

That's an old link I pulled out of an e-mail.

Here it is:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_98-8_chap1.htm

That should explain IPB, which is one huge part of what 0231's do. This is an advanced article that I wouldn't expect most poolees to fully comprehend. The point is that you can see one aspect of the 0231 job.

This may not look that glamorous, but when you consider that the 0231 is often at the hub of the decision making process - then you can appreciate how interesting it is to help and to see how commanders make real-time battlefied decisions. Some people say that intelligence drives operations.

[dodint]

Thanks for all the info, dscusmc. You were a great help when I was looking for my info a few weeks ago, and this is even more.

My recruiter is dragging his feet about signing me up for Intel because I came a point short (99, needed 100) on the DLAB. As far as I know, though, you don't need the DLAB to enlist into the DD program, so I'm frustrated on that one. Meeting with him tomorrow AM though.

Thanks again for the copious amount of info.

[Echo_Four_Bravo]

I thought the DLAB was just for the language jobs. That's kind of strange.

[MackMaster]

Ok......
First, I would like to apologize to those who misinterpreted the tone of my post I just wanted to come across clear so I didnt focus on word usage to much.
Next, I know I have to go to boot camp first, I just want to happy with my MOS choice before I go, this is my life were talking about.
Finally, thank you very much dscusmc, you answered all my questions plus more, but my plan is actually to eventually become a ground intelligence officer. So if you happen to know something about this MOS you could tell me, that would really be greatly appreciated.

[dscusmc]

Ground Intel Officer Requirements:
Job Description:
Ground intelligence officers primarily serve as platoon commanders in division reconnaissance companies, infantry battalion scout/sniper platoons, and other ground intelligence assignments : Battalion, Regiment, and Division Staffs, Force Service Support Group, and Intelligence Battalion.

Requirements:
(1) Must be eligible for a top secret clearance based on a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) . (2) Must be a male lieutenant to be assigned this MOS as a primary MOS . This MOS may be assigned as an additional MOS to male captains and above . (3) Complete the Infantry Officer Course (IOC), MCCDC, Quantico, VA; the Scout Sniper Platoon Commander's Course (SSPCC), MCCDC, Quantico, VA; and the Ground Intelligence Officer's Course (GIOC), Navy Marine Corps Intelligence Training Center (NMITC), Dam Neck, VA .

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Marine Corps Order 3500.32 defines exactly what the duties of the Ground Intel Officer are (0203):

Core Capabilities List
__________________________________________________ ________________________
1. Provide ground intelligence to support the staff planning process.
2. Advise the commander in the employment of ground reconnaissance
and surveillance assets.
3. Plan and direct the training of ground reconnaissance and
surveillance personnel.
4. Develop the dissemination plan.
5. Conduct Intelligence Preparation of the Battlespace (IPB).
6. Identify intelligence requirements.
7. Provide target intelligence products to support the staff planning
process.
8. Plan and direct the intelligence collection effort.

Of course, what does all that mean in practice. Providing ground intelligence support requires the officer to work closely with the operations (S-3) officer. In a real world environment, you are providing real-time threat based information. But, in garrison, you are supporting the infantry training and exercise evolutions. You are also helping them maintain situational awareness of current intelligence concerns. This means determining what types of intelligence products the units need. You then task your intel personel to create briefs, terrain models, intel reports, map overlays (a big heavy-duty clear plastic sheet that goes over a map and depicts enemy unit locations and various other points of interest), and any other product you deem useful to the S-3 and grunts. All of this also includes advising commanders on likely enemy courses of action and weather and terrain considerations. Some of this process occurs during IPB - Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefied.

You'll also develop a plan for collecting information from the enemy. This includes the deployment of recon assets.

You will develop a plan for disseminating your intelligence efforts to both the units that need the info and to higher headquarters and adjacent units.

You will be instrumental in the unit's targeting plans. I won't elaborate, but suffice it to say that you help analyze how resources are allocated to destroying enemy targets.

You work closely with counter-intel to protect our information. There are opportunities for command at various levels. You can also work fairly independently if you go to a joint command like Joint Intelligence Center Pacific or even a MEF level - to a certain extent.

You can go to a number of agencies. You can deploy to various operations. I've known a number of intel officers that served as UN observers on the ground. You can go work at an embassy. The possible billets are too numerous to lay out here.

The ground intel officer MOS is competitive to obtain, but having the 0231 MOS will certainly help. Hope that provides a real general framework. LT C.

[Barret]

Excuse me, sir, but do you know much about what a Counter-Intellegence Marine does? I know that you must have a lateral transfer, and can not go into the field directly from Boot Camp, but that's about it. Thank you.

[dscusmc]

Well...I had typed a big long response, but the web browser froze and I lost it.

Anyways, I'm going to attach a bunch of links and let you guys do the reading. They are much more informative than anything I had to say.

MCWP 2-14-Counterintelligence. This is a must read if you are interested in CI.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usmc/mcwp2-14.pdf

This is a CI flyer that will explain the training and requirements.
http://www.mfp.usmc.mil/CI%20FLYER-NEW.doc

Excellent resource for Marine Corps intelligence publications.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/usmc/index.html

CIA Archive of intelligence articles.
https://www.cia.gov/csi/kent_csi/Default.htm

I'll post a couple of other links once I find them. LT C

[dscusmc]

I will add one thing about the requirements. You have to go through a screening board and I've heard some funny stories about the questions you are asked. I won't say what they are, but be prepared to answer hypothetical questions that present you with unusual scenarios. The interviewer is looking to see what you would do in certain situations.

[Barret]

Wow. CI sounds like a great MOS to have. I think Counterespionage/Counterterrorism sounds like fun.

[lmalcott]

This was an interesting thread. I can't add anything about the MOS, but I would like to respond to some of the angst.

A poolee SHOULD ask as many questions as possible - of their recruiter and any Marines they can find.

I am about as pro-military and pro-war as they come. My son is a Marine with an intelligence MOS. He didn't have any other Marines to talk to prior to boot camp, except his recruiter (and his first recruiter ended up in military jail because of the things he did as a recruiter, but that's another saga).

Recruiters do not always tell the truth, and sometimes when they tell the truth, it's "selective" truth.

I'm pretty sure the poolees and most parents can handle the fact that some things are classified, especially in the intelligence MOS. But generalities and unclassified details are something that every poolee should know about their MOS.

Everyone should go in knowing the reality of what they are facing.

So I hope no poolee is discouraged about asking questions. To Marines who've been through it, the questions may be annoying. But to a young man facing the unknown, the questions - and answers - are their way of learning and coming to terms with their future.

I wish I had known about this site about 6 months ago. I think I could have received a lot more information - and probably correct - than we received from our local recruiters.

[MrFish]

I've read every post on this thread now, and feel encouraged to do Intel Specialist instead of Cryptological Linguist, due to the description that dscusmc gave it on the first page, but have been unable to find anything else online that confirms the bit he wrote about how 0231 Marines are still able to join any units they want to, or to go to all those schools, etc. Also, my recruiter has told me that intel Marines need a Secret Clearance, but his post mentions a Top Secret Clearance. Looking at about.com doesn't mention a security clearance for 0231's at all, only that you must have access to "sensitive compartmented information."
Ultimately, if a few Marines with recent experience in the 0231 MOS could answer a few questions, I'd be so very grateful:
a) Can an 0231 Marine tag along with units from an MOS that interests him if he chooses?
b) Can he realistically hope to go to any/all of those schools that dscusmc listed in his post? (SERE, dive, jump, etc?)
c) Does an 0231 need Secret or TS Clearance?
d) Can he realistically hope to join a Category B MOS while serving as an 0231?

I would really appreciate any input on this... I know it's an old thread, but I'm really looking into doing Intel, and I would feel better about it if I knew this was more than just an idealogical scenario.

[LeonardLawrence]

Dare I say it? This looks like some great Intel Lt! Thanks!

[Sgt Leprechaun]

LOL. Yeah, no kidding.

One thing, though, poolees.....you CAN'T, repeat, CAN'T enlist for CounterIntelligence. It's a 'lateral move' only MOS.

The Lt is dead on with his information.

Oh...

A: You'll (eventually) have a TS clearance in Intel. The letters after that designate levels of access. "SCI" is "Sensitive Compartmented Information".

B: Realistically, NO, you won't be going to all those schools. Unless you are assigned to a unit that also goes to them, and 'operators' will get first pick. Get the idea of 'cool schools' out of your head at this point anyway.

C: No, you can't just 'tag along' with whatever unit you want to. You'll be busy enough doing the things you have to do in your own unit. Worry about them first.

D: Yes, you can do Cat B MOS's, you'll have to eventually. Everyone does.

That should about cover it.

[MrFish]

Thanks a lot for your help, Sgt Leprechaun - your answers were straight to the point.
I guess I am just another imaginative poolee. I like military strategy, I like learning about different kinds of warfare, and I like having a job that holds some real responsibility.
But, I think the opportunity to do my part in the physical, under-the-sun work the Marines are known for would make my job twice as rewarding to me. I realize that the easiest way to get all of these things would be to just go in as an 03xx.
If there really is such a slim chance of getting attached to a unit like that, perhaps I should re-evaluate my options.
Even still, I'd also like to hear from other Marines, whether you agree or disagree with this - thank you all!

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Attachment like that will be 'luck of the draw'. However, if you go Intel, you should know that you could be with Recon for 4 or 5 years, then come back and be with the Wing for 10 years. It just depends on where you want to go. Your first post will likely be chosen for you by the monitor, but after that, on your next enlistment, you could request to go someplace else.

[MrFish]

I see, I see - that is interesting to know. I guess what's meant to be will be, huh? I don't presume to be the authority or anything, but I take it the monitor probably takes PFT scores into account when assigning these types of posts? Again, that's just a guess. Thanks again Sgt Leprechaun. Intel sounds like a really rewarding MOS regardless of post location, but with a couple of months left until I ship, I'm just spending my days training physically and doing some research.

[MackMaster]

Wow its been so long since ive seen this post its almost comicl to look back on. Nontheless I guess I should say that I did wind up going with 0231. Im at the school here in verginia now and should be picking up lancecorperal pretty soon. I don’t know too much about the fleet but I would still recomend this mos to anyone interested. I know it is one of the best mos’s because every class has around five to seven corporals and sergeant lat-movers from other mos’s (yes even 0311 including 2 in my class) so I know it cant be that bad. Iv talked to at least 10 lat-movers so far who have all been deployed to Iraq and seen dam near every job the marines offer so if you wont take my word then take theirs. Ether way I wish you luck and your all good I my book just for signing the dotted line and becoming a marine.

[MackMaster]

p.s. everyone gets to choose thier first duty station based on their class standing. the corse is very hard and if you dont do so well you usually get stuck with 29 palms or lejun

[aust10n]

I've read every post on this thread now, and feel encouraged to do Intel Specialist instead of Cryptological Linguist, due to the description that dscusmc gave it on the first page, but have been unable to find anything else online that confirms the bit he wrote about how 0231 Marines are still able to join any units they want to, or to go to all those schools, etc. Also, my recruiter has told me that intel Marines need a Secret Clearance, but his post mentions a Top Secret Clearance. Looking at about.com doesn't mention a security clearance for 0231's at all, only that you must have access to "sensitive compartmented information."
Ultimately, if a few Marines with recent experience in the 0231 MOS could answer a few questions, I'd be so very grateful:
a) Can an 0231 Marine tag along with units from an MOS that interests him if he chooses?
b) Can he realistically hope to go to any/all of those schools that dscusmc listed in his post? (SERE, dive, jump, etc?)
c) Does an 0231 need Secret or TS Clearance?
d) Can he realistically hope to join a Category B MOS while serving as an 0231?

I would really appreciate any input on this... I know it's an old thread, but I'm really looking into doing Intel, and I would feel better about it if I knew this was more than just an idealogical scenario.

A 0231 needs a Single Scope background Check, which clears you for top secret.
A SSBC goes back through your childhood to kids you may not even have known. They pretty much want to find out what type of person you are, and dig up all the dirt they can on you. They will interview your friends, friends of friends, teachers, everyone. You will then have to do a polygraph, where they ask questions like "Would you sell information" ect.

You also can not have Bad credit, no felony, if you went to a therapist, or even counsler they want to know about it. They will want to know about depressions and anyother mental problems you may of had. There is a list of things that cause a DQ.

[MrFish]

Sounds like the background check is no gimme. Alright, so from what I've read on these forums and other forums online, intel specialists do a fair share of map-reading, analyzing, presenting, etc. The second thing I've learned about 02xx's is that it's hard to find any other consistant information on them, most likely due to the TS clearance combined with the broad spectrum of tasks they perform.

In this day and age, with the war in Iraq appearing to slow down, but tension with Iran seeming to build, what might you say the chances of an 0231 seeing combat are, or even of deploying to a combat zone, in the next 4 years? It undoubtedly depends on the unit you're attached with, but I'm curious to find out how far "behind the lines" the 02's tend to be in your experiences.
Half of me wants the job skills, TS clearance, and responsibility, and the other half of me just wants to fight. For now, I'm letting the responsible half win. I made a 97 on my ASVAB, so maybe my class standing will be enough to get me over there. I realize I could just be an 03xx, but if fighting is slowing down, I don't want to spend 4 years being completely bored. But then, what do I really know about that stuff?

In any case, as MackMaster pointed out, it will be enough just to be a Marine... the rest will be details.

[aust10n]

Sounds like the background check is no gimme. Alright, so from what I've read on these forums and other forums online, intel specialists do a fair share of map-reading, analyzing, presenting, etc. The second thing I've learned about 02xx's is that it's hard to find any other consistant information on them, most likely due to the TS clearance combined with the broad spectrum of tasks they perform.

In this day and age, with the war in Iraq appearing to slow down, but tension with Iran seeming to build, what might you say the chances of an 0231 seeing combat are, or even of deploying to a combat zone, in the next 4 years? It undoubtedly depends on the unit you're attached with, but I'm curious to find out how far "behind the lines" the 02's tend to be in your experiences.
Half of me wants the job skills, TS clearance, and responsibility, and the other half of me just wants to fight. For now, I'm letting the responsible half win. I made a 97 on my ASVAB, so maybe my class standing will be enough to get me over there. I realize I could just be an 03xx, but if fighting is slowing down, I don't want to spend 4 years being completely bored. But then, what do I really know about that stuff?

In any case, as MackMaster pointed out, it will be enough just to be a Marine... the rest will be details.

I'm no Intel. Specialist but now a days, I doubt a lot of them see Combat. They probably do a lot with Satalite, UAV's, and things of that sort. Counter Intelligence probably does a lot of hands on. In some cases, they act like they are "anti-american" to make friends with people who are suspected of possibly spying on the US government and things of that nature.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Incorrect. Intel Specialists serve down to the Battalion/Squadron level. They "go and do". That's the Cpl/Sgt 'in the street'.

Also, Satellite and UAV operators use the equipment. It takes an Intelligence Specialist trained in their art to decipher what those systems show us.

CI is *counter* intelligence. Meaning they are NOT spies and such, but look for those who are trying to do us harm on the Intelligence level. (That's a simplified version).

I can assure you, though, that Intel folks get dirty.

Mr Fish, if you choose Intel as an MOS, I assure you, you will not be 'bored'. You stand a decent chance of seeing the elephant. However, your primary responsibility won't be 'rifle totin', but helping those who DO 'tote' full time, with information to keep them alive and kill the bad guy.

[aust10n]

CI is *counter* intelligence. Meaning they are NOT spies and such, but look for those who are trying to do us harm on the Intelligence level. (That's a simplified version).


That's what I said, but just in a retarded way.

[MrFish]

Wow, thanks again for such a helpful response. I'm feeling happier and happier with this MOS now, knowing that there is some opportunity for seeing/doing something interesting.

[Gary Hall]

Mackmaster, I don't know a thing about this specialty. I was a 5-year 0311 PFC who was blessed to carry an M-1 Rifle. And in the subsequent years, I declare that job was the high point of my life and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything else this world might offer, even in the unlikely event should the Lord Jesus offer me another run at life, I'd have to tell Him No thanks, Lord, thanks anyway. Because you see I got to observe and read about a lot of comings and goings as a consequence of those who claimed to be in the intelligence business. For your consideration, I ask you to consider Pearl Harbor, the Battle of Midway, U. S. Military Operations conducted in North Korea during the period October through December, 1950, and most recently during the period of the Nineties and on into 11 Sept., 2001. During my lifetime I say the most worthy of world wide intelligence efforts were those as documented in Professor Gordon Prange's book: "Miracle at Midway". And it is not arguable that the individual who led and directed this intelligence was Commander Joe Rochefort, U. S. Navy. Commander Rochefort's group was more responsible for the miraculous victory in June, 1942, than was any other individual or group. And, the reports say Commander Rochefort was never given any recognition for this achievement. MackMaster, you might want to keep this in mind. It appears to be a lonely business. I don't hesitate to tell you that if you don't like to read, in preference to all other human activities, don't even consider going into intelligence. High on your read list must be: Col. T. R. Fehrenbach's book "This Kind of War" and the Holy Bible. The real tragedy of intelligence recommendations will always be the high prevalence of failures. And immediately following the failures will be the tough job of cleaning up the mess. As you read the history books, you will note that the US has somehow always had the blessing of having available those remarkable Generals & Admirals such as Chesty Puller, George Patton and Chester Nimitz to clean up the wrecks and undo the dirty work. In your history books you will find a narrative about U. S. General Matthew Ridgeway (Old Iron Tits). In Europe during WWII, it was reported that during a particular intense battle with the Germans, while many US soldiers were taking cover along a road under heavy enemy fire, General Ridgeway stepped out in the middle of the road, leisurely took out his dick (in plain sight), and calmly relieved himself, to the great consternation of those cowering under cover and hollering "Cut that out Matt and get back over here under cover, you're drawing fire on the rest of us!" And it was this same General Ridgeway who cleaned up General MacArthur's intelligence failures and resulting messes in North Korea during the winter of 1950 and spring 1951. This was Operations Killer & Ripper, not some State Department get togethers and "discusssions" (Conflict Resolutions). Our guys are still there, after some 58 years. Intelligence failures can be Hell on Earth. If you elect to go to war and don't have the stomach to kill 'em all, then the evidence will be that only the Lord can finally clean up the mess. Gary Hall

[Auwe76]

I thought this thread at the SGT. Grit Forums was informative, check it out.

http://forums.grunt.com/forums/p/21814/179872.aspx

[byoung54]

Wow what a great post im looking to come back in as an 02, errr 0211 if I make the cut but being a 0231 doesnt sound that bad either. Thats funny when I read the post by Mack about if you score low you get 29 Palms... It dont Skurr me i was there for 4 years. LoL


Great post LT.

[gobuffs10]

Well I was pretty much decided on infantry. Had intel as my #2. This makes me reconsider, knowing so much more about it...

Stuff like this, knowing all that the Corps and individual Marines can do, is the best moto there is. The capabilities are astounding and the possibilities endless. Best...website...ever.

[Phantom Blooper]

I followed this whole thread from the original post from 09/06 and all I have to say is if you are intelligent...you wouldn't have to ask about intelligence!:evilgrin:

[Brewer0311]

What a lot of people don't know is that now 0211 and 0231 have combined to be one MOS. They no longer take anyone who is not lat moving to the MOS. They are mainly looking for Cpls and Sgts that are first terms, have at least a 110 GT score, eligible for TS clearance, a US citizen, a volunteer, and at least 21 yrs old at completion of the school. This is all information that I recieved from the CI/HUMINT recruiter and a few Marines I know in the MOS. To make the cut is a little hard, but it can/has been done. They are mainly looking for Marines that can work with minimal supervision. Also, as of right now the MOS is closed to females. From what I've heard through the underground is in the next year they will be taking females. I also have a little more information on the whole process since I'm trying to get into the MOS myself right now. If you plan on going into this MOS make sure you know that you WILL deploy a lot. So if you get homesick easy don't even think about it. Once you've made the MOS you are with it until you get out.

[byoung54]

What a lot of people don't know is that now 0211 and 0231 have combined to be one MOS. They no longer take anyone who is not lat moving to the MOS. They are mainly looking for Cpls and Sgts that are first terms, have at least a 110 GT score, eligible for TS clearance, a US citizen, a volunteer, and at least 21 yrs old at completion of the school. This is all information that I recieved from the CI/HUMINT recruiter and a few Marines I know in the MOS. To make the cut is a little hard, but it can/has been done. They are mainly looking for Marines that can work with minimal supervision. Also, as of right now the MOS is closed to females. From what I've heard through the underground is in the next year they will be taking females. I also have a little more information on the whole process since I'm trying to get into the MOS myself right now. If you plan on going into this MOS make sure you know that you WILL deploy a lot. So if you get homesick easy don't even think about it. Once you've made the MOS you are with it until you get out.

Aye Brewer keep me updated on your progress devil...im interested in getting into the 0211 field. :thumbup:

[Danman]

Cpl. The 0211 and 0231 are not combining there MOS's im a 31 and I can say that. you may herd threw the underground rong.... yes females are going to be starting to get into CI some time next year... both fields 11's and 31's are both great fields to be in the thing is as you said.. with CI they are looking for a stable individual with a 110 or highter GT score and muct me a Cpl. or above.

[Brewer0311]

That part was actually told to me from the SSgt in charge of recruiting. Not my MOS though, so I really wouldn't know 100% or not.

[jackson07]

Just had some of our intel monitors here a few weeks ago. That is just a rumor. They will still be seperate MOSs.

[UsmcMotorT]

I met some 0231s from 1/23 and i believe they deal with imagery. These 0231s were straight from bootcamp.

To be an 0211, the recruiters I talked to wanted Cpls-Sgts.

I'm in Va beach, very close to Dam Neck. If anyone goes to Intel School let me know and I can point you in the right direction for good entertainment.

[jackson07]

Yes to be an 0211 you must be atleast Cpl.

[dizark]

I'd like to bring this topic back and hope the same people here can answer some questions I am unable to find at this time.

I love the amount of information you have given in regards to 0231, and I have done some searching on the web and it seems all information is very helpful.

However, I was told that your recruiter would fill out a packet with you to apply for your TS Security Clearance.
Also, how long would it take to find out if you were cleared on the TS Security Clearance? Im assuming that if you shipped to bootcamp while the packet was out, and it came back disapproved, they'd put you in open contract, no? If it came back before you went to bootcamp as disapproved, would you be able to pick another MOS.

Thanks for the assistance!

[Iseethelight]

With my TS/SCI for the Army, they didn't even commence the investigation until I set foot on post and it took about 6 months for OPM to approve. I would imagine that much like my contract back then, there is a stipulation that you fill an MOS as per 'Needs of the Corps' if your clearance is not granted.

[0231Marine]

dizark,

For obvious reasons, the security clearance process can take a while. It is all dependent on your bacground to include finances, family history, contacts, police record, education and some other things. Things might have changed since I came in but I didn't actually fill out all of the paperwork (Form SF-86 - go ahead and google it so you can see the form) until I was actually at bootcamp. I shipped in October of 2002 and while I was there, an investigator had already begun my background investigation and visited my family. I recieved my clearance approximately 6 months after graduating bootcamp which is pretty standard. It can take up to a year or more if the investigator finds some things that don't add up.

If you are denied a clearance, you will be placed in an MOS that fits the needs of the Marine Corps. Sucks but that's the way it is. I obviously don't know your background but if you've got a clean history and no financial problems, then there is no need to worry.

Also, for anyone else seeking answers regarding any of the Intel MOS's, not just 0231, feel free to PM me or post it in here and I'll be happy to help you out. I've either done it or worked closely with those that have.

[dizark]

Thanks 0231Marine for your answers. Another question. I saw somewhere that they give a polygraph exam I believe for Counter Intel, do they do the same for 0231?

As far as my background goes, no criminal record, college and highschool graduate, good family, father retired Navy, 1 ticket (just got it recently due to an accident) I'm 25 btw.

Also, during my research, Ive come across 2 totally different views on the schedule of a 0231. One says it's M-F 8-5 some weekends, and someone else I read said long hours, etc. Now either schedule is fine for me as I've worked retail for many years, am used to long hours and a varying schedule, but would like some clarification on the 0231 schedule, if there is one.

Thanks again.

[dizark]

Oh and 0231Marine, I googled the Form SF-86, and believe it or not, my recruiter had given that packet to me when he first came to see me. I recently handed it in and suppose he does something with it.

[0231Marine]

Thanks 0231Marine for your answers. Another question. I saw somewhere that they give a polygraph exam I believe for Counter Intel, do they do the same for 0231?

As far as my background goes, no criminal record, college and highschool graduate, good family, father retired Navy, 1 ticket (just got it recently due to an accident) I'm 25 btw.

Also, during my research, Ive come across 2 totally different views on the schedule of a 0231. One says it's M-F 8-5 some weekends, and someone else I read said long hours, etc. Now either schedule is fine for me as I've worked retail for many years, am used to long hours and a varying schedule, but would like some clarification on the 0231 schedule, if there is one.

Thanks again.

You won't get a polygraph as an 0231 so you don't have to worry about that. As far as your record goes, sounds like you won't have any issues there either so hopefully it will take about 6 months to process your clearance once they finish their investigation. You'll recieve an interim Secret clearance if you don't have it completed by the time you hit the fleet. Doesn't really mean anything aside from the fact you can get on the SIPRnet.

Regarding the working hours, that's situationally dependant. In school, it's a regular work day with PT in the mornings at 0600 and then class from 0800 - 1630. Once you get to your first unit, it will likely be the same thing although if you end up at an infantry bn, longer hours are more common. When you're deployed (and you will deploy) the standard shift is 12 hours on/12 hours off but operations and manpower dictate work cycles so it's not unheard of to work 15+ hours a day while deployed as an 0231. My last 2 deployments I was attached to a HET (Humint Exploitation Team - CI Team) and since I was the only analyst, I worked 18+ hours a day for 8 months. Time of my life though!

I would strongly encourage you to do as well as you can in MOS school because your rank in class determines where you get to go for your first duty station. The higher the ranking, the sooner you get to pick and the better duty stations are available. I would also strongly urge you to go to one of the Intelligence Battalions for your first duty station, even if there is a really good duty station like Hawaii available. You will learn more at one of those Intelligence Battalions in your first year than you would in 3 years at a lower echelon unit like an Infantry Battalion.

Anyways, hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions.

[0231Marine]

Oh and 0231Marine, I googled the Form SF-86, and believe it or not, my recruiter had given that packet to me when he first came to see me. I recently handed it in and suppose he does something with it.

Alright, like I said, it may have changed since I came in. Don't be surprised if you have to do some type of interview while you're in bootcamp or MCT though. Either way, an investigator will have to talk to you before they start to process your clearance.

[2ndCEBSupply]

The intel guys in my battalion sat in a room and watched CNN, FOX, Goodmorning America. I sat in time to time with them and one day i asked "what the hell do you really do man all you to do is sit and watch tv". He said that they have to be kept on wordly events at all times.

[0231Marine]

The intel guys in my battalion sat in a room and watched CNN, FOX, Goodmorning America. I sat in time to time with them and one day i asked "what the hell do you really do man all you to do is sit and watch tv". He said that they have to be kept on wordly events at all times.

LOL...that's true to an extent. In my shop, we usually had the news on all day too but the volume was kept low and we were working on other things as well. That further emphasizes my point to the poolee above though in which analysts at lower echelons are watching fox news, you'd be doing actual intelligence work at one of the Intel Bn's.

That's a funny story though.

[dizark]

0231Marine, what duty stations are housing Intel Battalions so I may know what to look for if I get to choose a duty station?


MOS School Questions:

While at Damneck for MOS School, are you in dorm style rooms? Are there any types of freedoms after you're off the training clock for your free time? Are you allowed to have a laptop with you in your room for after hours use?

General 0231 Questions:

When is it that you find out what billet you were assigned to? (is it during bootcamp or near the end of bootcamp, or in MCT?)

Are the Intel 0231's supplied with good computers in their 'shop' or does the government still use old surplus? :P

Now, like the MP billet, where that is handed out more than corrections, is this the same way with 0231 vs 0261 where 0231 is more needed than 0261?
The reason I ask is because I'm more interested in 0231 but know I can only pick the 02xx field and not the billet. I will probably do research on 0261 incase they do assign that to me so I'm not blind on the subject.

What uniform do you wear when at your duty station working in the 'shop'? Is it a mix of the Alphas and the Combat Utility Uniform?

Would you happen to know what types of jobs are available as a civilian after life in the Corps from being an 0231? I'd honestly like to turn the Marine Corps into a career, however I won't think that far ahead until the first 4 year term is up.

Last but not least, on regards to the schedule. If the duty station would be similiar to the school schedule, I'm presuming that'd leave time for College (whether it be in person or online)? I have an associate's degree and would like to get a Bachelor, however would not like to wait until a civilian to do it.

Thanks a lot for answering these specific questions like you have been. You have been most helpful.

I was undecided on which MOS I'd like to go into and have browsed the MOS lists many times, but after reading more on 0231, I have become very intrigued with the position. I am very good with computers and am Microsoft Certified (used to do repairs with Circuit City for 3 years), however the IT type positions required a 110GT and mine is a 108GT. I'm not complaining because it opens doors into another field of interest (Intel).

[0231Marine]

Well, that was a lot of questioning...lol. I'll do my best to answer them though. <br />
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1. What duty stations are housing Intel Battalions? <br />
-There are 3 Intelligence Battalions, 1st Intel Bn at Camp...

[mdlangley]

You are a wealth of information Corporal. I am about to ship to bootcamp with a "DD" contract. From what research I have done, I have read that at least one person out of each class (assuming they go to Dam Neck) is chosen to learn a language. Is this accurate and is this based on DLAB scores? If so when is this test administered? Other than that, the only question I have is can you give us any insight on what the other jobs do that fall into an intel contract? Those being 0261 and 2629 I believe.

Honestly I hope to get the 0231 MOS but it not easy to find info on the others so I don't know if I would like them as much or not. No matter what I will enjoy the ride and be the best Marine I can be. Thanks for your responses thus far and thanks for taking the time to help us wannabe's get to where you are someday.

[mdlangley]

I missed the edit time but the other MOS is 2631 not 2629.

[0231Marine]

You are a wealth of information Corporal. I am about to ship to bootcamp with a "DD" contract. From what research I have done, I have read that at least one person out of each class (assuming they go to Dam Neck) is chosen to learn a language. Is this accurate and is this based on DLAB scores? If so when is this test administered? Other than that, the only question I have is can you give us any insight on what the other jobs do that fall into an intel contract? Those being 0261 and 2629 I believe.

Honestly I hope to get the 0231 MOS but it not easy to find info on the others so I don't know if I would like them as much or not. No matter what I will enjoy the ride and be the best Marine I can be. Thanks for your responses thus far and thanks for taking the time to help us wannabe's get to where you are someday.

It's not a problem. That's the whole goal of these forums is to provide you young "wannabe's" insight into the Marine Corps so you can make informed decisions.

Regarding DLI (Defense Language Institute), it's my understanding that every analyst that goes through school at Dam Neck now takes the DLAB (Defense Language Aptitude Battery) and those with a high enough score are provided seats to learn a language designated by the Marine Corps. Because of the on going war, the primary languages learned right now are Arabic, Korean, Farsi and other dialects like that. This was not offered to analysts when I went through because the war had just started and there wasn't as much of a need at that time. If you do indeed end up going to DLI, you'll go there following graduation from NMITC and will go through the school which can last up to 20 months for some of the harder languages.

Regarding the other 02 MOS's...0261 or Geographic Intelligence Specialist is commonly refered to as a Topo (for Topographic) Marine. The job basically consists of making maps and products (both hard and soft copy) for any consumer that requests them. They can make any map of anything you need, be it terrain, avenues of approach, Order of Battle for enemy forces, hydrology, weather. They are very good at what they do but it was never something that interested me personally. Glorified Map Makers is a common term for them as well but that's said jokingly.

2631's are the Signals Intelligence Marines, also known as Sigint. They have a pretty interesting job as well although a lot of what they do is classified and I can't get into it for obvious reasons. However, many of them are linguists of varying backgrounds which enables them to translate documents and different transmissions that they deal with. There job can be a little on the teadeous side sometimes though and was again, something that didn't hold my interest completely. They do work closely with NSA though and are often afforded the opportunity to work with that organization once they get out of the Marine Corps if you're thinking long term, like after the Marine Corps.

The other two primary 02 MOS's are both Lateral Move MOS's meaning you have to be on your first enlistment and be a Cpl or Sgt. Those two are 0241 - Imagery Interpretation Specialist and 0211 - Counterintelligence/Humint Specialist. The imagery guys (and girls) deal with looking at satelite and UAV imagery and determining what is on the picture. This is very helpful for infantry guys who are planning on conducting raids or operations so they know what they're going to encounter on target prior to execution. You would be hard pressed to find a target package anywhere in the world that does not have some type of imagery.

Humint is another highly classified job because it deals with sources and interrogations among other things. I was attached to two different Humint Teams in Iraq and was able to operate with them on a daily basis which afforded me many opportunities that a lot of the analysts in my unit never recieved. I will just tell you that their job encompasses long hours but it's also a hell of a lot of fun. You'll run in to many of them while at NMITC becuase their basic school is at the same place so feel free to ask them questions while you're there if it's something you think you might be interested in down the line.

I know I got ahead of myself with the two lat-move MOS's but just giving you something to think about for the future. It's always good to have a plan. Anyway, hope this helped and answered your questions.

[mdlangley]

I have looked at posts and websites for several months and that is by far the best and most understandable definition of those MOSs that I have seen. I guess there is alot to be said for going straight to the horse's mouth.

If I think of any more questions in the next day or two I will be sure to ask them. Thanks again.

[0231Marine]

I have looked at posts and websites for several months and that is by far the best and most understandable definition of those MOSs that I have seen. I guess there is alot to be said for going straight to the horse's mouth.

If I think of any more questions in the next day or two I will be sure to ask them. Thanks again.

No worries!

[dizark]

Corporal, I thank you a lot for your very informative posts and answers to my questions. As I come with more, I will be sure to ask.. like now.

Okinawa is a possible place to go I saw. First, would family (wife and child) be allowed to accompany me there? Second, how long is the stay there? (I've read somewhere 13 months was the number)

As far as the DLAB goes, is everyone who wants to go 02xx is required to take it? If so, what happens if you do poor on it? (do they not offer you 0231, or is it not required to become an 0231, however more of a who can do what test?)

[dizark]

Also, what are the requirements for becoming an 0231? I read on the usmilitary.about.com that you need a GT of 100, and a TS Security Clearance (also knowing you need to complete schooling at Damneck) but is there anything else that they don't list?

[0231Marine]

Corporal, I thank you a lot for your very informative posts and answers to my questions. As I come with more, I will be sure to ask.. like now.

Okinawa is a possible place to go I saw. First, would family (wife and child) be allowed to accompany me there? Second, how long is the stay there? (I've read somewhere 13 months was the number)

As far as the DLAB goes, is everyone who wants to go 02xx is required to take it? If so, what happens if you do poor on it? (do they not offer you 0231, or is it not required to become an 0231, however more of a who can do what test?)

Dizark,

All those are good questions and I'll go ahead and answer both of your posts in this one.

If you do end up going to Okinawa for your first duty station, you will be required to have 36 months time on station (TOS) meaning you will have to stay there for at least 3 years before you can request a change of duty station. Because of this, you will be allowed to take your wife and child with you when you execute orders there. I have never been to Okinawa myself so I can't tell you much about any of the bases there but perhaps someone else can if that's somewhere you're interested in going. The 13 months you're referring to is for a PCS (Permanent Change of Station) meaning that you had completed your first 3 years somewhere else and then changed your unit to somewhere in Okinawa. I actually believe it's two years now and there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that play in to how long you would be there if this were the case and isn't something you should worry about until after you spend some time in the fleet. You will have plenty of fellow Marines and leadership to speak to if that's something you want to do down the road.

Don't get to bent out of shape regarding the DLAB. It's just another test they'll give you to see if you have the basic ability to learn another language. If you don't do well on it, there aren't any adverse effects regarding your status as a Marine or an 0231. Since it's given in Intel School, they're not going to kick you out if you don't qualify, you'll just fall into the category of those that aren't going to be going to DLI. Passing it is not a pre-requisite to being an 0231.

As far as requirements go for being an 0231, what you've seen is what you get. You need a GT of 100+, you need to be eligible for a TS clearance (meaning no major criminal or drug history, good to go financially, no foreign contacts that are not immediate family or can not be explained). Basically anything that may cause you to compromise the safe keeping of classified information is going to raise a red flag and probably keep you from obtaining your clearance. As long as none of that applies, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Let me know if any of this was unclear or if there are follow on quesitons.

[dizark]

I don't know if you'll be able to answer this, but on the ************* forums, a mother said her son, who is going through training (I think MOTOR T) said that theyre only allowing Singles to go to Okinawa at this time and married couples would go east/west coast. Is this true?

Also, if one were to go to Okinawa, what happens with all your household goods (furniture, etc) and personal vehicle(s)?

Thanks again for your assistance.

[0231Marine]

I don't know if you'll be able to answer this, but on the ************* forums, a mother said her son, who is going through training (I think MOTOR T) said that theyre only allowing Singles to go to Okinawa at this time and married couples would go east/west coast. Is this true?

Also, if one were to go to Okinawa, what happens with all your household goods (furniture, etc) and personal vehicle(s)?

Thanks again for your assistance.

Wow, I haven't heard that. I've been out of the Marine Corps for almost a year now so maybe something has changed. I really can't see them sending only single Marines to Oki though. I'll have to look into that.

Anyway, in the event you go there unaccompanied and you're married, you would rate seperations pay, BAH (housing allowance) and COLA (Cost of Living) which means your wife back here in the states could either put your things in storage and pocket the differenc by living at home or get a house which would be paid for by the Marine Corps. These are all things that would be good to ask your recruiter though and you'll definitely know what's going on by the time you get to MOS School.

[mdlangley]

Corporal, did you qualify with a pistol in Intel? I noticed that you didn't have the badge on your signature but I have heard different things about whether Intel quals or not. I know it's not all that important (I either will or I won't) so mostly this is just curiousity.

[0231Marine]

Corporal, did you qualify with a pistol in Intel? I noticed that you didn't have the badge on your signature but I have heard different things about whether Intel quals or not. I know it's not all that important (I either will or I won't) so mostly this is just curiousity.

I never did qual with a pistol although I was issued one when I deployed with the CI guys. The standard issue weapon for 0231's (Sgt and below) is your standard M16A2 Service Rifle. The Marine Corps is attempting to get M-4's into as many hands as possible but combat MOS's come first. Every unit is different so I don't want to mislead you and say you're never going to get a chance to qual with a pistol but it just depends on how many spots they have available for each range and SNCO's and Officers get priority because they're issued those weapons. Now, if there isn't anything going on in your shop and your unit can spare you for a week or two, you very well might get to qual.

Part of the issue to is that the deployment rate is so high currently that the time between deployments is short compared to all the necessary training agendas that need to be met for 0231's. It's just a matter of the units prioritizing what needs to be done most and since you don't rate a pistol while deployed, other training comes first.

[dizark]

Would an unaccompanied tour still be 3 years?

My wife is interested in the idea of going to Okinawa, and that three years doesn't bother her as it's an experience for my family. However, the more I read in depth, for married couples, it's so involved. From things such as getting an onbase home, to an offbase home being $3000 and needing a deposit and such.

[0231Marine]

Would an unaccompanied tour still be 3 years?

My wife is interested in the idea of going to Okinawa, and that three years doesn't bother her as it's an experience for my family. However, the more I read in depth, for married couples, it's so involved. From things such as getting an onbase home, to an offbase home being $3000 and needing a deposit and such.

I believe that the unaccompanied ranges from 1-2 years. The Marine Corps changed it within the last 18 months but I can't tell you for certain. Your recruiter would be a good person to ask this to or possible post another thread asking the specifics of an accompanied vs. unaccompanied tour there.

And yes, paper work is something you'll become very familiar with in the Marine Corps. Another word of advise is to always keep copies OF EVERYTHING! One of the worst things is to have someone say they didn't give you something when they actually did and you have no proof of it. You'll learn as you go though and there are always resources and people to talk to once you get out of bootcamp.

[ebrown707]

0231 marine, regarding the requirements necessary to enter the Intel field, i was wondering if you could clarify something for me..
i have a clean criminal background, no drug use or anything like that, i have family that was in the service. But, recently some money issues have come up, and without going into to much details collection agencies had to get involved. it wasn't my credit card ( i dont have one ) but i missed some payments on my insurance. will this disqualify me ?
thank you so much for all of your helpful information

[Brewer0311]

0231 marine, regarding the requirements necessary to enter the Intel field, i was wondering if you could clarify something for me..
i have a clean criminal background, no drug use or anything like that, i have family that was in the service. But, recently some money issues have come up, and without going into to much details collection agencies had to get involved. it wasn't my credit card ( i dont have one ) but i missed some payments on my insurance. will this disqualify me ?
thank you so much for all of your helpful information


Not filling out your profile and reading the rules will disqualify you from an answer.

Hope this helps.

[ebrown707]

is that any better? thank you

[0231Marine]

0231 marine, regarding the requirements necessary to enter the Intel field, i was wondering if you could clarify something for me..
i have a clean criminal background, no drug use or anything like that, i have family that was in the service. But, recently some money issues have come up, and without going into to much details collection agencies had to get involved. it wasn't my credit card ( i dont have one ) but i missed some payments on my insurance. will this disqualify me ?
thank you so much for all of your helpful information

I can't tell you for certain that this would disqualify you or not. The best thing to do would be straight forward with your explination of the circumstances surrounding this incident when you're filling out your paperwork. It's up to the investigator to recommend whether you should recieve a clearance or not so when he/she talks to you, be forthcoming about everything and leave it up to them. There's not much you can do to change the past and they understand that. As long as you're making an effort to rectify the situation, they'll tend to be a little more lenient.

[Balmera]

Ok so i am a poolee and as all poolees do i have questions. really my only question is is there a difference in the intel MOS Delta Delta then 0231 because i assuming i make it through basic and MCT am being sent to be trained for Delta Delta and was wondering if anyone on here could give me even a breif idea as to what it is and what to expect.

Thank you all,
Semper fi

[0231Marine]

Ok so i am a poolee and as all poolees do i have questions. really my only question is is there a difference in the intel MOS Delta Delta then 0231 because i assuming i make it through basic and MCT am being sent to be trained for Delta Delta and was wondering if anyone on here could give me even a breif idea as to what it is and what to expect.

Thank you all,
Semper fi

DD is just the code for Intel. It doesn't mean anything special aside from that's what your contract is indicating. If it says DD, expect to be going to Virginia Beach for Intel training following MCT. You won't actually recieve the MOS 0231 until you graduate so the code DD takes that place until you hit the fleet.

[Balmera]

Thank you Corpral

[0231Marine]

Thank you Corpral

It's Corporal...and you're welcome.

[GooseUSMC]

Hey everyone, What would be a better MOS to pick that could benefit me in the future. Tank Crewman or Counter Intelligience? thanks.

[amberledbetter1]

This was the most helpful thing I have read since I decided to enlist and this further solidifies my choice to go into the Marine Corps as a 0231. I appreciate this so much! If it's not too much of a bother, are you required to be a higher rank than e2 in order to snag this job, or are you allowed to pick this MOS before boot camp?