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thedrifter
09-19-06, 01:00 PM
Decoration debate
By Gidget Fuentes
Marine Corps Staff writer

They were grunts, two infantrymen and brothers-in-arms like the thousands of Marines who have marched to the Iraqi desert on a mission to bring hope to that nation and rain hell on insurgents blocking the way.

One jumped on a grenade tossed by an Iraqi insurgent stopped with a car full of weapons, using his helmet to absorb the blast. His life hung precariously, but after eight days he died of his wounds.

The other, felled by bullets from an enemy rifle, grabbed a grenade tossed on the floor and held it to his torso just before it exploded. The blast took his life, but he saved the lives of his buddies in the room.

The two Marines - one a corporal, the other a sergeant - fought to their last breath. They gave their last full measure, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of their men.

The stories of Cpl. Jason Dunham and Sgt. Rafael Peralta may soon be etched permanently into the history books as the Marine Corps' first recipients of the Medal of Honor in the war in Iraq.

Dunham, 22, and Peralta, 25, have been nominated for the medal, the nation's highest award for valor, given by the president "for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty."

No decision or final approval had been made as of Sept. 14 on whether Dunham or Peralta would receive the medal. The official line from Washington was a terse "no comment," and spokesmen said it's policy not to discuss pending or possible nominations. But Marines and others with knowledge of both cases say that approval and awarding are imminent.

The acts of the two noncommissioned officers have stirred much anticipation in Marine circles, on the Internet and particularly in the blogosphere, at a time of heated debate about just who should rate the highest award - and whether a service member has to die to get it.

In the middle of the debate is a small but growing groundswell of military observers who believe that other Marines, including several living recipients of the Navy Cross, the second-highest combat award, should have their awards upgraded to the Medal of Honor.

The statistics are telling. While both presumed Marine nominees lost their lives, 14 out of 15 Navy Cross recipients are still alive. And many observers reading their Navy Cross citations see Medal of Honor between the lines.

No Marine has been awarded the Medal of Honor since the Vietnam War. The military's three modern-day Medal of Honor recipients all perished in combat - two soldiers in Somalia in 1993 and one soldier in Iraq in 2003.

If they are awarded the medal, Dunham and Peralta would join an elite group of 294 Marine warriors. According to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, 128 of those medals were given posthumously. Only 20 Marine recipients are alive today. Six received the medal for combat actions during World War II, four in the Korean War and 10 in Vietnam.

If either Dunham or Peralta receive it, one sure bet is that the life-or-death debate about the medal -whether the Corps, notoriously stingy with valor awards, could be shortchanging those who lived to tell their own stories - will continue.

Despite swirling speculation, service officials have been mum on what Medals of Honor may come, if any.

Is death a prerequisite?

"It is Marine Corps policy that we do not comment on pending awards," said 1st Lt. Rob Dolan, a spokesman at Quantico, Va.

But officials can talk about the Navy Crosses already bestowed. As of Sept. 15, the Navy Department had approved 15 Marine-related Navy Crosses - two to officers, 12 to enlisted Marines and one to a Navy corpsman who was with a Marine unit. One went to a sergeant in a combat operation in Afghanistan, and the rest were given for actions in Iraq.

Yet, out of all 15 medals, only one was given posthumously. The other 14 recipients are living, breathing heroes.

And that statistic has raised a controversial question in military circles and online: Has the Medal of Honor become an award reserved for those who've sacrificed their life in their final combat act?

"Evidently so," one colonel who has nominated a number of his Marines for combat valor awards, including the Navy Cross, said with a hint of sarcasm.

"Is that the standard in which someone ought to be able to receive it?" wondered a master gunnery sergeant, a veteran of three Iraq tours so far.

It's a sentiment echoed by many others who are frustrated by what they see as a trend that may deprive some living combat heroes of their proper recognition.

"I would hate to look back at this war on terrorism and see that our heroes deserved the highest military honor only if they were killed in combat," Gunnery Sgt. Andrew Michaelson, an infantry unit leader, wrote in an Aug. 21 letter to Marine Corps Times.

"There should be some living heroes walking around with that award," Michaelson added via e-mail just before he left Hawaii for another deployment to Iraq.

Others worry about the dearth of Medals of Honor, especially after 3½ years of intense fighting in Iraq and five years of military operations in Afghanistan.

It's angered Joseph Kinney, a former Marine and Vietnam combat veteran, so much that he's called for a congressional hearing to find out what's going on - with regard to both posthumous awards and the length of time it's taking to give medals.

"There are too many that have gone unacknowledged," Kinney, an author, said from his North Carolina home. He blames disinterest among senior military officers, a lack of procedures and a lengthy process of review scrutiny. "There's no reason why it takes years," he said. "What can change with the passage of time?"

"Astute people in the Pentagon should be asking questions," he added.

"Identifying and honoring military heroes just has not taken on a high priority. This is a travesty that, if left unaddressed, will be felt for generations to come," Kinney wrote in a mid-September letter to Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C. "While we may not honor military heroes the way we used to, such acts of acknowledgment are the lifeblood of our warriors. They are the grist of legend, the fuel for those who come behind and face death in the name of this country.

"While we superficially pay homage to this generation of warriors with our yellow magnetic ribbons, we have yet to fully honor them as we have in the past," he added.

Military regulations and instructions provide guidelines for determining which actions deserve combat decorations. But the awards criteria and process are far from well-understood and remain a mystery to many in uniform.

Nominations for combat valor awards, from a Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal for valor to a Medal of Honor, are typically submitted at the Marine's unit. They go through lengthy reviews starting at the regimental level, with awards review boards at the division and Marine expeditionary force levels. Higher awards require more extensive reviews in Washington, and Medal of Honor nominations ultimately must be approved by the president.

The actions of Marines in the offensives in Fallujah alone, merit more combat medals than have been approved so far, Kinney said. "I think there ought to be a whole stack of medals from Fallujah," he said.

Others agree. "When you're fighting this kind of enemy, there are even more and greater enemy … that Marines find themselves right in the thick of it," said Matt Dodd, a retired lieutenant colonel and editor of DefenseWatch, a blog with Soldiers For The Truth.

A particular concern of Dodd is whether some recipients of the Navy Cross should instead be given the Medal of Honor. Close reads of their citations reveal parallels with the actions of others honored by the Medal of Honor in the past.

The actions of Dunham and Peralta are no different, he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if both of them get it."

"If those actions don't rate it, what the heck does?" he said.

Navy Cross heroes

Combat heroism and mettle aren't found just in the citations and stories of Medal of Honor recipients. The Navy Cross long has reflected the Corps' foundation of bravery and courage in battle.

The line separating the two can be a fine one. Navy regulations offer little to clearly identify combat actions deserving a Navy Cross, stating that it is awarded to someone who "distinguishes himself or herself by extraordinary heroism not justifying the award of the Medal of Honor."

It also states that "to warrant this distinctive decoration, the act or the execution of duty must be performed in the presence of great danger or at great personal risk and must be performed in such a manner as to set the individual apart from his or her shipmates or fellow Marines. An accumulation of minor acts of heroism does not justify the award. The high standards demanded must be borne in mind when recommending the award."

Marines revere the Navy Cross and its recipients much as they do the Medal of Honor.

"These men are held up in the highest esteem, when Marines see their brother Marine or corpsman with a medal like that," said Tom Vetter, a retired lieutenant colonel and chairman of the 1st Marine Division Association's warrior liaison committee. "They are the epitome of what bravery is all about. It really motivates the troops."

Service officials won't say whether any of the Navy Cross recipients were considered for the Medal of Honor. But in discussions and debates on opinion pages and blogs of late, boosters contend that some Navy Cross recipients were due the Medal of Honor.

Take Capt. Brian Chontosh. When his platoon was ambushed outside Diwaniyah on a long convoy March 25, 2003, the then-first lieutenant acted quickly, ordering his driver off the road and toward an enemy machine gun as rocket-propelled grenades, mortar rounds and automatic weapons fire rained in the kill zone.

At one point, Chontosh got out of his vehicle and fired his rifle and pistol on a trench, killing enemy fighters. Out of ammunition, he twice picked up AK47 rifles and "continued his ferocious attack," his Navy Cross citation states, and he fired an enemy RPG launcher at another group of fighters.

When the dust settled, he had killed more than 20 fighters, wounded several others and cleared a 200-meter-long trench near Highway 1.

Kinney said he's part of a movement trying to get more recognition for Chontosh, the Combined Anti-Armor Platoon commander with 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines. Chontosh received the Navy Cross for his actions.

"I want them to have heroes who are among their peers," Kinney said. "And there are people out there, like Brian Chontosh and others, who are deserving."

In Vetter's view, the combat heroics of then-1st Sgt. Brad Kasal, who was awarded the Navy Cross, also warrant the Medal of Honor.

Valor in the 'house of hell'

Kasal led his men from 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, into a Fallujah house Nov. 13, 2004, to help a group of Marines wounded by insurgent fire, but they found themselves in a pitched, close-quarters battle with the gunmen. Hit by seven bullets and 40 bits of shrapnel, Kasal went down but kept fighting, covering a wounded Pfc. Alex Nicoll as rounds and a grenade exploded nearby. He fired back while trying to stop Nicoll's bleeding.

"He went in there to get his Marines, and they were wounded," Vetter said. "He was providing the leadership that a senior staff NCO gives. He wouldn't quit."

"The Navy Cross is a prestigious medal in its own right, but I thoroughly expected Kasal would be awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions that day," retired Col. D.R. Stanton wrote in a May 15 letter to Marine Corps Times. "Surely his bravery and willingness to give his own life were worthy of that highest of honors. Compared to other services, the Corps is very careful in presenting medals - sometimes to the extreme.

"The circumstances surrounding this action cannot be ignored and should be revisited," he added.

Another reader echoed the thought. "Kasal probably expected that grenade to kill him. Who wouldn't? I have read accounts of the Medal of Honor being awarded for exactly that type of action in combat," wrote retired Sgt. Evan Campbell, a combat veteran, on June 26. "Kasal deserves our nation's highest award, the Medal of Honor. It should not become an award that is given only posthumously."

An embedded photojournalist captured Kasal in an iconic photograph, being helped out of the house by two Marines with blood smeared on his trousers and his pistol held tight in his hand.

"That picture of them carrying him out, with his 9mm pistol in his hand, it just exemplifies the leadership that he has and what he did there," Vetter said. "Marines don't quit no matter how bad things get. You take care of your team."

Kasal, now a sergeant major, "just displays the honor, the courage and the commitment," Vetter added. "I was amazed that he wasn't awarded the Medal of Honor."

With Kasal in that "House of Hell" in Fallujah that day was Sgt. Robert Mitchell, another Navy Cross recipient whom some believe should receive the top award.

As Kasal battled nearby, Mitchell suffered a ricochet round in his leg and shrapnel across his body but he kept fighting, applying first aid to wounded Marines, fending off enemy fighters and, at one point when his weapon jammed, stabbing an insurgent to death. Despite his own injuries, Mitchell helped evacuate the casualties.

His actions have some thinking he would be a natural candidate for the top decoration.

"Every Medal of Honor citation I have ever read had some of the same actions that Mitchell carried out," Michaelson said.

Mitchell "committed several acts, to include rushing through enemy fire several times, administering first aid to all of the wounded Marines while bleeding profusely from his own wounds, directing the evacuation of all Marines within that house while he refused to be evacuated himself for his wounds," Michaelson said.

A grenade, and life or death

What gnaws at boosters advocating for more Medal of Honor awardees is the similarity between these combat actions and those of Medal of Honor recipients, some of whom were awarded the medal posthumously.

A review of dozens of Medal of Honor citations reveals a few common threads. Often, their story is one of:

• Racing through enemy barrages of fire, often against an overwhelming force, to knock out machine-gun nests or mortar tubes, or jumping into a trench to silence enemy guns.

• Directing their men through a heavy assault, fending off enemy forces and ignoring their own wounds.

• Dodging fire to pull wounded comrades to safety.

• Jumping on a grenade to save others, often fatally or severely wounding themselves in the process.

For some recipients, their award cites a combination of these actions.

The stories of Dunham and Peralta echo some of these themes. Among the more telling tales that took place on Iwo Jima is the story of Pfc. Jacklyn "Jack" Lucas, a teenager who enlisted fraudulently and later stowed away on ship to sail into combat. He went on to become the youngest Medal of Honor recipient of the 20th century.

On Feb. 20, 1945, he and his fire team were ambushed on the island. "Quick to act when the lives of the small group were endangered by two grenades which landed directly in front of them, Private First Class Lucas unhesitatingly hurled himself over his comrades upon one grenade and pulled the other one under him, absorbing the whole blasting force of the explosions in his own body in order to shield his companions from the concussion and murderous flying fragments."

Lucas survived and, now 78, said he'd do it again unhesitatingly. "I paid a dear price over the years, with the pain and the suffering," he said from his home in Hattiesburg, Miss. "But I don't regret having done that to save my fellow Marines.

"They all lived. They went on, and they had their families and their children, and their lives go on," he added. "I wound up saving lives."

Lucas would like to see the dwindling ranks of Medal of Honor recipients expand with new members, and he is sure that Marines will get that high recognition.

He'd like to see more but notes it's not automatic. "They have to meet the criteria. You just don't give out a bunch of awards to people," he said. Otherwise, "it devalues the award."

"People don't go to war just to get medals and decorations," he added. "I certainly didn't. I didn't even know what the Medal of Honor was. I just wanted to fight for my country." ;

Ellie

thedrifter
09-19-06, 01:01 PM
Navy Cross recipients

Source: The Marine Corps Times

These are the 14 Marines and one sailor - who was serving with a Marine unit - who have received the Navy Cross, with their current rank, the units they were with and the date they received the award. One was posthumously awarded.

Sgt. Robert Mitchell, 3/1, received July 28

Cpl. Todd Corbin, 3/25, received July 4

Sgt. Jeremiah Workman, 3/5, received May 12

Sgt. Jarrett Kraft, 3/5, received May 11

Sgt. Maj. Brad Kasal, 3/1, received May 1

Staff Sgt. Anthony Viggiani, 1/6, received Feb. 24

Capt. Brent Morel, 1st Recon Battalion, awarded posthumously May 21, 2005

Sgt. Willie Copeland, 1st Recon Battalion, received April 21, 2005

Sgt. Scott Montoya, 2/23, received Jan. 23, 2005

Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Luis Fonseca, received Aug. 11, 2004

1st Sgt. Justin Lehew, 1/2, received July 24, 2004

Capt. Brian Chontosh, 3/5, received May 6, 2004

Pfc. Joseph Perez, 3/5, received May 6, 2004

Sgt. Marco Martinez, 2/5, received May 3, 2004

Cpl. Dominic Esquibel, 1/8, award was refused

Ellie

thedrifter
09-19-06, 01:02 PM
Nominated Marines saved squad members through their sacrifice

By Gidget Fuentes
Staff writer

The story of Cpl. Jason Dunham, a 22-year-old from Scio, N.Y., has been told in a book, "A Gift of Valor," penned by a journalist embedded with his unit, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines, in Iraq. His heroics have stirred comments in numerous blogs and a memorial Web site, www.jasons memorial.org.

Dunham's actions - covering a grenade with his helmet and body and taking the blast to save his buddies - are a classic Marine Corps story of protecting your men, of selfless sacrifice, of honor, courage and commitment. It's a story leathernecks will recount and pass on for generations.

Dunham was manning a checkpoint near Karabilah on April 14, 2004, when an Iraqi driver grabbed his throat, and the two scuffled. The man dropped a grenade from his hand, and Dunham quickly jumped on it, using his Kevlar helmet and body to smother the blast. Shrapnel pierced his skull, and he died eight days later with his parents by his side.

Six weeks later, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., issued a statement asking President Bush to award the Medal of Honor to the Marine.

Dunham's quick and decisive actions "embodied the courage and fortitude that have made the armed forces of the United States the most respected in the world," Schumer said. "I can imagine no clearer case of an individual soldier exhibiting the ideals that the Congressional Medal was established to honor."

Dunham's commanding officer, Lt. Col. Matthew Lopez, submitted the nomination. "I deeply believe that given the facts and evidence presented, he clearly understood the situation and attempted to block the blast of the grenade from his squad members. His personal action was far beyond the call of duty and saved the lives of his fellow Marines," wrote Lopez, according to Michael Gordon, a Wall Street Journal reporter who wrote a book about Dunham.

Sgt. Rafael Peralta found himself in a similar situation.

Peralta, a Mexican immigrant and a fearless leader beloved by his men, jumped at any chance to join a squad with 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines' Alpha Company doing house-by-house clearing during the major assault on Fallujah in November 2004.

It was intense, nonstop, close-combat fighting. On Nov. 14, Peralta joined the squad of then-Cpl. Robert Reynolds, and their spirits were buoyed. "We were glad that he wanted to be with us," Reynolds said, noting Peralta's initiative and concern for them. "He stood on extra posts for us to give us a little bit of a break."

The next morning, Nov. 15, Peralta stepped out with the squad on the house-clearing mission. Peralta and Reynolds entered one home, a two-story house, with Cpl. Davie Allen and Lance Cpl. Adam Morrison, and a combat correspondent, Lance Cpl. Travis Kaemmerer. They soon took fire. In a dim hallway, AK47 rounds struck Peralta and hit Reynolds in the right forearm, knocking both men down.

Reynolds returned fire, shooting at black-clad insurgents firing from the hip, including one in a nearby stairwell. "I saw a little yellow-bodied thing come into the room," he said. "I didn't know what it was."

But Peralta did. "He just took his right arm out and scooped it into his body," said Reynolds, who was just feet away from the sergeant. "At first, I didn't really know what was going on. I was kind of in shock."

The explosion rocked the house, followed by a blur of activity as Marines fought off the insurgents and dragged their fallen friends to the street and an assault amphibian vehicle that raced them to an aid station and follow-on care.

Peralta didn't last long, though; by the time his body was placed on the amtrac, he was dead.

Peralta "is a true hero," Rep. Bob Filner, D-Calif., said in a statement last year recommending him for the Medal of Honor. "His extraordinary sacrifice exemplifies the courage and spirit of the American armed forces."

Reynolds, 29, has no doubt about Peralta's sacrifice.

"He didn't hesitate at all. He just reached down and took it. I'm here today because of the actions he did that day," Reynolds said, speaking from his Ritzville, Wash., home. "I owe him so much for giving me that second chance in life, and to tell the story of what he did."

Peralta and his family in San Diego are often on his mind. He shows his son, Noah Lee, 3, a photograph of Peralta, and will tell his son the story of his friend. "He gave three guys, for sure, a second chance at life," he said, noting his baby daughter, Sophia Marie, three months old.

Peralta's death was a heart-tearing blow. "We had always told each other that we would all come back together, but that didn't happen," Reynolds said.

Peralta's actions caught attention early on. Reynolds first told the story to an officer while the battalion was still in Iraq. "They wanted to write a report about what happened for that day for the Medal of Honor," he said. Earlier this year, he got calls and a letter from a lieutenant colonel in San Diego who asked him about Peralta. After that, "everything kind of died off," he said.

But he's hoping that Peralta will get the recognition. Recently, he took part in a documentary about his friend's life and sacrifice. "He made history," he said, adding that the Medal of Honor "is very fitting" for Peralta.

"When you first get to boot camp, they talk about guys from World War II, World War I, Khe Sanh, Hue City, and the Marines who put their lives down to save their squad, and they always got the Medal of Honor," he said. "It really made you think, 'Wow, could I do that?' Then, you have Sergeant Peralta. He's just a Marine's Marine. He was so proud."

Ellie

USMC-FO
09-19-06, 03:58 PM
Good post...very curious as to why the following:

"....Cpl. Dominic Esquibel, 1/8, award was refused.."

thedrifter
09-19-06, 08:24 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2006
Rowan native honored for saving fellow Marines' lives
By Rose Post

Salisbury Post

Bob and Beth Houck of Millbridge will never forget the sight of eight Marines holding their son's casket as he was buried at Arlington National Cemetery on Dec. 8, 2004.

Now they'll have more among the countless memories they have of their son, Marine Lance Cpl. David Houck, and the letters he wrote from the middle of the war, his concern about killing two people and how he wondered at how heavily that weighed on his mind when he was trained to do it.

But it did weigh even though he was busy defending Mosul Airport and the battle in Fallujah.

Now the details of those memories come in a letter from his mother, Beth, and Gunny Sgt. David Brown, who handled the media during her son's memorial service at Peninsula Baptist Church and also at Arlington.

"It looks," Beth Houck writes, like her David "will finally be recognized for his service in saving the lives of two Marines on Thanksgiving Day, 2004, the day before he, himself gave up his life."

The presentation will be at the Charlotte Marine Corps Reserve Center on Saturday, March 4, probably at 11 a.m.

In his letter to the Houck parents, Gunny Sgt. David Brown wrote that he had "received a package in the mail this weekend from the Commanding General of 1st Marine Division. Inside is an award for David.

"I guess the reason it has taken so long to filter down is because of all the levels of administration stuff it had to go through," said Gunny Sgt. Brown.

"The award is a Navy Commendation Medal with a Combat 'V' device for valor. Both Marines and Navy personnel are eligible to receive the award. The narrative outlines David's actions while under fire.

"I need to get this to you," Gunny Sgt. Brown wrote the Houcks, "but I want to make sure it is done the right way. It should be presented officially."

And there was more.

Beth Houck also received a letter from their good friend, Karen Frederickson, "who is doing a superb job of connecting all us 13 families who lost sons in the battle for Fallujah. A native North Carolinian has recently published a book depicting this awesome battle."

The title of the book is "Fallujah, With Honor, First Battalion, Eighth Marine's Role in Operation Phantom Fury" by Gary Livingston, and Karen got a copy and read it.

"It chronicles the 1st Battalion 8th Marine Regiment's part in the Fight for Fallujah, Iraq, also known as Operation Phantom Fury, in November and December 2004.

"When I got the book in my hands," she wrote the Houcks, "I immediately sought out those chapters that focus on Bravo Company. I will read the entire book and the chapters about Alpha, Charlie and Weapons Company soon but for now I am riveted to the saga of Bravo Company," which was David Houck's company .

"There are mistakes — spelling of names, proper rank, and other errors not caught when the book was edited — but no matter," Karen wrote, "it is still riveting.

"It tells a story that we know all too well but in more detail than we may have known before. On every page in those chapters about Bravo Company I recognize every name.

"I picture their faces. I remember them recounting each of these battles, and the tears run down my face. It is so personal."

David's mother has not yet seen the book but she is sure her son's story is in it.

"On Thanksgiving Day in a heavy fire fight, David and his friend, Dominic Esquibel, went in to rescue Tom Hodges and Mike Rodriguez, and they tried to go back to rescue two more, but an explosion stopped them. It broke David's heart.

"And for that he will receive the Navy commendation medal."

The book also includes the stories of each of the 13 Bravo Co. Marines, including David Houck, who lost their lives in the fight for Fallujah.

"This is a very difficult book to read," Karen said in her letter to Beth Houck, "especially if you are personally vested in the hearts and souls of these Marines. It brings the horrors of war right into your gut. Some of you would rather not go there, would rather not know about the realities of war, would prefer that it did not intrude on your daily life."

But Karen felt strongly that this battle needed to be documented and the deeds of these Marines, by name, need to be remembered.

Another of the Marines whose injuries are well documented in the book is Sgt. Jacob Knospler.

He was so severely wounded that President Bush himself presented him with his Purple Heart at Bethesda Naval Hospital, and he was interview by Newsweek Magazine this week.

Anyone interested in the book may order copies from Caisson Press, P. O. Box 505, North Topsail Beach, N.C. 28460 or send an email to caissonpress@yahoo.com.

Contact Rose Post at 704-797-4251 or rpost@salisburypost.com.

source-

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26787.html

Ellie

yellowwing
09-20-06, 01:33 AM
Good post...very curious as to why the following:

"....Cpl. Dominic Esquibel, 1/8, award was refused.."
I looked around Google to see what I could find. On this page it looks like Cpl Dominic Esquibel (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/nlziolkowski.htm), was part of a sniper team. Two of his buddies were killed during the Battle for Fallujah, including Nick Miller who probably died in his arms.

Nick did not die alone. Dominic Esquibel, who was with him when he died, had been to Miller's house several times, Nick's mother said. "He was older than Nick, but he looked up to him."

Semper Fi Cpl Esquibel

Quinbo
09-21-06, 10:52 AM
If you do a little research on Carlos Hathcock you will find that he was twice nominated for the medal of honor and after years of debate and who knows what else, he was awarded the silver star. There was no explanation or apology from Congress on why it was downgraded. At the time the silver star was finally awarded his health had faded and he had been retired for over 20 years.

Eric Hood
09-23-06, 11:38 AM
Sir,
I wrote a letter to the Newark, New Jersey Star Ledger about this. I complained about the lack of coverage of heroic acts in this war. Every ner-do-well with a hang nail gets a front page story, not one about a Marine being decorated for valor.
I will continue the fight as we all should.
Semper Fidelis,
Eric

Zulu 36
09-23-06, 03:48 PM
If you do a little research on Carlos Hathcock you will find that he was twice nominated for the medal of honor and after years of debate and who knows what else, he was awarded the silver star. There was no explanation or apology from Congress on why it was downgraded. At the time the silver star was finally awarded his health had faded and he had been retired for over 20 years.
Part of the problem with Carlos Hathcock (whom I met at Camp Lejuene in 1973) is he refused any award for saving those Marines in the burning amtrack. An officer he saved did organize an informal token of appreciation from the group, which he reluctantly accepted, but Hathcock was adamant against official recognition.

As years passed, friends and family worked on him over the matter and he finally agreed to an official award of the Silver Star near the end of his life.

BTW, Congress has no say-so on who gets a CMH. It is awarded by the President in the name of the Congress. The individual branches determine who gets a CMH, with some possible input from the SecDef or the Prez. Congressmen may put their two-cents worth in (which may or may not be taken into account) but Congress cannot legislate a particular CMH be awarded. So Carlos is owed no apology from Congress (at least over this matter).

FRANK0311
10-16-07, 11:05 PM
Good post...very curious as to why the following:

"....Cpl. Dominic Esquibel, 1/8, award was refused.."

I SERVED WITH ESQUIBEL, I WAS IN CHARLIE CO. 1/8 AND HIS SNIPER TEAM WAS OFTEN ATTACHED TO US. IN REGARDS TO ESQUIBELS REFUSED AWARD, THAT'S JUST THE WAY HE HIS, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN ANY AWARD FOR HIMSELF, HE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL AGAINST IT AND REFUSED TO ACCEPT. HE HAS FAMILY THAT STILL DOESN'T KNOW HE'S IN THE MARINE CORPS AND HE NEVER TALKS ABOUT HIS PAST, I NEVER KNEW HE WAS FROM NEW MEXICO UNTIL AFTER I EASed. IF ANYONE ASKED HIM ANYTHING ABOUT HIS PAST HE'D SIMPLY SAY "I DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, I DON'T TALK ABOUT", SO I NEVER PRESSED THE ISSUE

FRANK0311
10-16-07, 11:08 PM
I looked around Google to see what I could find. On this page it looks like Cpl Dominic Esquibel (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/nlziolkowski.htm), was part of a sniper team. Two of his buddies were killed during the Battle for Fallujah, including Nick Miller who probably died in his arms.


Semper Fi Cpl Esquibel

YOU WROTE ABOUT HIS FRIEND NICK MILLER, THERE IS NO NICK MILLER, HIS NAME IS NICK ZIOLKOWSKI, HIS MOTHER'S NAME IS MILLER, HIS IS ZIOLKOWSKI (HIS PARENTS ARE DIVORCED), I WAS IN CHARLIE CO. 1/8 I WENT THROUGH SOI WITH NICK AND WENT TO CHARLIE WITH HIM, HE LATER JOINED STA PLT AND BECAME A SNIPER. ESQUIBEL WAS WITH NICK, BUT HIS NAME IS ZIOLKOWSKI. MOST OF US NEW HIM AS "SKI" AND HE WAS MORE THAN A BROTHER TO ME, I TRY TO GET DOWN TO ARLINTON TO SEE HIM ON HIS BIRTHDAY AND WHENEVER I CAN. AS FOR ESQUIBEL, I JUST GOT A BIRTHDAY CARD FROM HIM, I'LL HAVE TO GIVE HIM A CALL. WHICH REMINDS ME I SHOULD GIVE SKI's MOM A CALL TOO, SHE RECENTLY GOT REMARRIED. BUT PLEASE TRY TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE NAMES RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST.

yellowwing
10-16-07, 11:13 PM
Thanks for the clarification Frank :thumbup:

A Marine's Life should be remembered right and true.

Ceya
11-13-07, 07:43 PM
BUT PLEASE TRY TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE NAMES RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST.

Alot of us try to get info correctly as with anything else in life, that is why it is good to have people and Marines like you who were there to correct it.

S/F<
CEYA!
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