Of course I'm tryin to get ya fired up!

[wrbones]

Ya get fired up ya might do more than sit there drinkin yer beer!

found this onna a website askin fer help fer peace activists. Seems this lady's askin fer help on TV now....



Pro-Peace Organizations - Your Assistance Requested

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From: Rania Masri
Iraq Action Coalition iac@leb.net

Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:31PM

Greetings,

Included below is a partial list of organizations that have clearly stated
their opposition to the continuing sanctions on the people of Iraq.
Please contact me if you know of any organization that has publicly stated
its opposition to the sanctions and is not listed below. Please let me
know the name of the organization, where it is based, and any other
information that you have. Please accept my apology if I failed to
include your organization on this list; please let me know.

Also included is an incomplete list of prominent individuals who have
spoken out against the sanctions. Please let me know of any additional
individuals that you know that have opposed the sanctions against Iraq.

Both lists are growing and still being compiled, and *do not* (as of yet)
consist of all the organizations worldwide that are opposting the
Sanctions War.

Thank you,

-Rania Masri


Organizations Opposing the Sanctions War on Iraq
(listed in alphabetical order)

Action Network for Social Justice, Tampa, FL (US)
Action Site to Stop Cassini Earth Flyby (US)
All People Congress (US)
American Homeless Society (US)
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (US)
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee - Task Force for Iraq (US)
Al-Bushra -- Arab-American Roman Catholic Community (US)
American Friends Service Committee (US)
American Muslim Alliance (US)
American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice (US)
Arab-American Institute (US)
Arab American League of Voters of NJ (US)
Arab Lawyers Network (UK)
Arab Women's Solidarity Association (Egypt and US)
Association of Korean Americans (US)

A Bridge to Baghdad (Italy)
Babylon Jewry (Israel)
Black Radical Congress (US)
British Anti-Sanction (Iraq) Committee "BASIC" (UK)
Bruderhof Communities (US and UK0

Campaign Against Iraq Sanctions "CAIS" (UK)
Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq (UK)
Campaign Against Sanctions and War on Iraq (UK)
Canadian Friends Service Committee (Canada)
Canadian Voice of Women for Peace (Canada)
Canberra Program for Peace (Australia)
Cape Codders Against Racism (US)
Catholic Worker (US)
Churches for the Middle East
Committees for a Democratic Palestine (US)
Committee in Support of Iraqi People (US)
Conscience International, Inc. (US)
Coordination group for Support People's Resistance in Indonesia (Netherlands)
Council on American Islamic Relations (US)
Desert Storm Think Tank (US)

Earth Action (Canada)
East Timor Action Network (US)
Edge Gallery (UK)
Eleventh Hour Peace Coalition (US)
Emergency Committee Against US Intervention in Persian Gulf (US)

Fellowship of Reconciliation (US)
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition (US)
Friends Committee on National Legislation (US)
Food Not Bombs (US)
Fresno Center for Nonviolence (US)
Friends for a Democratic Palestine (US)

Gesellschaft Kultur des Friedens (Germany)
Global Exchange (US)
Global Homeless Network (US)
Global Movement to End the War against Iraq (Canada, US, UK, Saudi Arabia,
and growing)
Grassroots News Network (US)
Green Party of NY (US)

Harlem Tenants Council (US)
Humanist Movement (Australia)

Icelandic Committee against the Sanctions on Iraq (Iceland)
Industrial Workers of the World (US)
Interfaith Justice and Peace Center (US)
International Action Center (US)
International Commission of Inquiry on Economic Sanctions (UK)
International Movement for a Just World (Malaysia)
International Nino Pasti Foundation (Italy)
International Peace for Cuba Appeal (US)
International Relief Association (US and Canada)
Iraq Action Coalition (US)
Iraq Action Network (Canada)
Iraq Anti Sanctions Campaign at the University of Chicago (US)
Iraq Crisis Anti-War Homepage (Internet-Based, thus Global)
Iraq Help (Internet Based)
Iraqi-American Cultural Society (US)
Islam On Line (Internet Based)
Islamic Assoc. of Muslim Greeks (Australia)
Islamic Center of Long Island (US)
Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
Islamic Heritage Foundation (UK)
Islamic Public Affairs Council (US)
Island Residents Against Toxic Environments (Canada)

JFK High School (US)
Jericho "98" (US)
Just World Trust (Malaysia)

League of Filipino Students (US)

Mennonite Central Committee (US)
Middle East Children's Alliance (US)
Milwaukee Pledge of Resistance (US)
Minnesota Alliance for Iraqi Children (US)
Muslim Peace Fellowship - National Campaign to End Iraqi Sanctions (US)
Muslim Student Association (US)

National Association of Arab-Americans (US)
National Council on Islamic Affairs (US)
National Council of Churches (US)
National Peoples Campaign (US)
Nicaragua Solidarity Network of NY (US)
North Americans for Social Justice (Italy)

Organization in Solidarity with the People of Africa, Asia, and Latin
America (Spain)
Organization for Sensible & Effective Prison Policy, DC (US)

Palestinian American Women's Organization (US)
Palestine Solidarity Committee (US)
Passion For Peace (US)
Pastors for Peace (US)
Pax Christi USA - National Catholic Peace Movement (US)
Peace Action Coalition, Min. (US)
Peace and Justice Works (US)
Peace Action (US)
Peace Suitors at Tokyo (Japan)
People's Fightback Center
Philippines Info. Network Services
Plough Online - The Bruderhof Communities (US and UK)
Progressive Liberty Party (US)
Proposition One Committee, DC

Queers for Racial & Economic Justice (US)

Radio For Peace International (Costa Rica)
Radius of Arab-American Writers (US)

Save the Children of Iraq (US)
Scotland Against Sanctions (Scotland)
Society for International Communication (Germany)
Socialist Party of Sweden. (Sweden)
South African Communities Organizing for Public Safety, DC (US)
South Movement (Australia)
Southern Arizona Gender Alliance (US)
Spanish Campaign for Lifting the Sanctions on Iraq (Spain)
Stop Cassini Earth Flyby (US)
Syrian Nationalist Social Party (chapters worldwide)
Supporting Movement for Democratisation in Indonesia (Global)

Tampa Bay Coalition for Peace with Iraq (US)
Texas Council of Churches (US)

Um So' Mundo - Apelo a Favor do Iraque (Portugal)
United Campaign in Solidarity with the People of Iran (US)

Vietnam Veterens Against the War Anti-Imperialist (US)
Voices in the Wilderness (US and UK)
Voice of Reason (Kenya)

War & Peace Foundation (US)
West Harlem Coalition (US)
Witness for Peace (US)
Wisdom Fund (US)
Workfairness (US)
Workers World Party (US)
World Homeless Union (US)
Women Concerned about the Middle East, Berkeley, CA (US)
Women for Mutual Security (Greece)
Women's Strike for Peace (US)


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Prominent Individuals: (this list is still under construction)

Pope John Paul, II
Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton
54 US Catholic Bishops
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D- Georgia)
Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas)
Rabbi Michael Feinberg, NY Labor-Religion Coalition
Howard Zinn, author

[greensideout]

Bones? Is this a list of the "axis of evil"?

[digger]

cant believe there is really a group calling itself
"Queers for Racial & Economic Justice"

[wrbones]

GSO, that ain't even a drop in the bucket of the organizations that are out there, bro! Axis of evil? Might be a pretty good start, mebbe....

hey, digger, that's one of the names that almost makes sense! LMAO.

Everything from a kid inna dorm room or his bedroom in his parent's house to international organizations and high school after school clubs.

[firstsgtmike]

Not only is the list outdated, March 1998, but it is incomplete.

For example, these groups are not mentioned on the list:

Design Committee for Jane Fonda Public Urinals.

Research Committee for the Meaning of "is".

Kneepads for Interns.

Certified Orgasm Donors.

D.C. Tourguides of the oral oriface.

Monica Cigar Makers.

Michael Jackson For Father of the Year Committee.
----------------------------

Hell, The list goes on and on ad nauseum.

[wrbones]

email's still good, though.

That was just a few of hundreds of these outfits from around the world....I've seen many of those names on other sites...and they're all startin to band together....two underlying themes. Peace...and flame America. look up an outfit called A.N.S.W.E.R.

put 'peace rally organizers' in yer Google search engine. Pay attention to the links, too.

[wrbones]

and some folks they're workin with....

About United for Peace


United for Peace is a new national campaign that brings together a broad range of organizations throughout the United States to help coordinate our work against a U.S. war on Iraq. At an initial meeting in Washington, DC on October 25, more than 70 peace and justice organizations agreed to form United for Peace and signed on to the following statement:

The demand placed on us by world events is to deal with the Iraq crisis and to work to stop the war that is being planned. This is unfolding in a global context where other crises can and will erupt in connection to the Iraq crisis and they too will demand our action. In addition, we will oppose new repressive measures at home. We can and will work together now, focused on stopping this war, and as we go forward we will discuss other issues and the larger context. Unite for peace and say NO! to war.

United for Peace welcomes the participation of any and all national, regional and local groups who share our goal and wish to work with others. Decisions are made at meetings of the coordinating committee, which is open to representatives of all participating groups. A smaller administrative committee helps to make sure decisions are implemented. If you are interested in being a part of United for Peace, contact andrea@globalexchange.org.

Since October 25, United for Peace has decided to promote the following calendar of anti-war events. In addition, we will be discussing other ways we can work together to build the broadest and strongest anti-war movement.

November 20: UFP endorsed the "Not In Our Name" call for a national day of student and youth protest

December 10: UFP is calling for a national anti-war day of action

Jan. 18-20: UFP endorsed the Black Voices for Peace call for peace and justice events to be held during the MLK Jr. Memorial weekend

Feb. 15 or 16: UFP is calling for a mass anti-war mobilization in New York City

March 8: UFP endorsed the Women's Peace Vigil's call for women's peace actions on International Women's Day

April 5: UFP is calling for a national mobilization in Atlanta, GA on the anniversary of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (4/4/68) to strengthen the link between justice and peace issues.

We invite you to join us and become part of this new effort.

Following is a partial listing of the groups involved in United for Peace:

Aaron Patterson Defense Committee
Academics For Justice
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
American Friends Service Committee
American Muslims for Jerusalem
American Renaissance
Americans for Social Justice
An Absurd Response to an Absurd War
Anti-Capitalist Convergence
Antiwar.com
Arizona Green Party
Black Radical Congress
Black Voices for Peace
Brockport Students Against War (BSAW)
CAAAV Organizing Asian Communities
Campus Greens
Center for Community Change
Center for Constitutional Rights
Center for Religion, Ethics, and Social Policy at Cornell University
Center on Race, Poverty & the Environment
Central Nebraska Peace Workers
Change the Game
Church Women United
Citizens for Participation in Political Action (CPPAX)
Citizen Works
Coalition for World Peace
Code Pink for Peace
Committee on Women, Population and the Environment (CWPE)
Committee to Free Pedro Pacheco
Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
The Connected Collective
Democracy Rising
East End Women in Black
Ecological Options Network (EON)
Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC)
Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
Georgetown Peace Action
Global Exchange
Grassroots International
Green Alliance
Green Party of NYS
Green Party of the United States
Greenpeace
House of The Goddess Center for Pagan Wombyn
Houston Coalition for Justice Not War
Idaho Green Party
Independent Progressive Politics Network
International Socialist Organization
Institute for Policy Studies, Peace Working Group
Iraq Pledge of Resistance
A Jewish Voice for Peace
Jews for Racial & Economic Justice
KhaYUMbia
Lamorinda Peace and Justice Group
Left Turn
LOKOJ – Bangladesh
Long Beach Area Peace Network (LBAPN)
Long Island Alliance for Peaceful Alternatives
Middle East Children’s Alliance
Middle East Research and Information Project (MERIP)
Military Families Speak Out (MFSO)
Mobilize New York
Mothers Acting Up
National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression
National Coalition for Peace and Justice
National Council of Churches
National Network to End the War Against Iraq
NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
New York City Labor Against the War (NYCLAW)
Nukewatch
Not In Our Name
Nowar Collective
Palestine Right to Return Coalition
Pax Christi USA
Peace Action
Peace and Justice Committee of Capital District Greens
Peace and Justice Task Force, Rocky Mountain Conference, United Church of Christ
The PeaceMongers Society
PeaceNoWar
PeaceRoots Alliance
Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
People Against Oppression and War
Peoples NonViolent Response Coalition (PNVRC)
Progressive Business Network
Psychologists for Social Responsibility
Queers For Racial & Economic Justice
Raging Grannies (Peninsula, CA chapter)
Rouge Forum
Ruckus Society
San Mateo County League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
San Miguel Peacewalkers
September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows
Shalom Center
Shepherd College Green Party
Shobak.Org (Outsider Asian Voices)
SOA Watch
Socialist Action
Socialist Party USA
Sojourners
Speak Out
Strategic Pastoral Action
Students Against Social Injustice (SASI), McKendree College
Student Environmental Action Coalition (SEAC)
Student Peace Action Network (SPAN)
Students Take Action for New Directions (STAND)
Students Transforming and Resisting Corporations (STARC)
Taking Aim
Texans for Peace
The Thomas Paine Project
TransAfrica Forum
TrueMajority
Undisputed Truth
United for Justice with Peace
US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation
United Students Against Sweatsops (USAS)
University of Maryland, College Park Peace Forum (UMCP Peace Forum)
Unitarian Universalist Service Committee
US Peace Council
United Students Against Sweatshops
Veterans for Peace
Vietnam Veterans Against the War
Vukani Mawethu
War Resisters League
War Times
Washington Peace Center
West Sonoma County Women’s Peace Group
Women’s Action for New Directions (WAND)
Western States Legal Foundation
Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, U.S. Section
Working Assets
Z Magazine and ZNET

[wrbones]

http://www.iacenter.org/index.htm

[Riven37]

Give them War and let God sort out the dead. Then turn toward NK and kick there butts where it hurts! It's time to kick butt big time and I'll be glad to be the first on the line.:rambo:

[eddief]

I'm against this coming war in Iraq, but I won't be out in the streets saying that. I don't agree with the Bush administation
on this one, but I always pray for the safety and well being
of all our armed forces. I'll pray for a quick and decisive victory
for our troops.

[USMC-FO]

I don't think anyone is truely "for war" But that is not the question frankly. The base is issue are we, as a nation, prepared to use our strength as necessary--including a first strike--to prrotect our national safety and way of life?

Most, if not all the US groups on that nausious list would never lift a finger to protect themselves. I suspect many would rather die than than deal with any US action to protect their own sorry asses. There were many Muslim groups on the list too, US and otherwise. I suspect these groups put their religious feeling ahead of all else. To say nothing of the fact that it is their people who for the most part have their butts in a sling here.

These lists of 'Peace' activists seem to be the same old tired worn out groups of extraordinary left leaning liberals who simply can not imagine that we have a right to defend our way of life. They will never been convienced that the US might just be right here. I could go into a full bore rant here, so I will just say that I will defend their right to ***** and moan BUT ... F*** em !!

Semper Fi !!

[arzach]

"Axis of Evil"??

More like 'azzes of evil'

FO, I don't see it as a 'First Strike', either. Islam fired the first 'volley', TWO attacks on WTC, USS Cole, Cruise Ships(Achille Lauro), Air Liners, Commercial Shipping....Beirut....

I don't really want War any more than anyone else,but it was brought to US, not started by US...Therefore, it's up to THEM to stop it, or By God, WE will!!!

[firstsgtmike]

I've got an answer to ALL protestors. Whatever the protest is about.

We ALL have three alternatives, every day, what ever the situation.

Accept it, change it, or leave it. Which is, in a practical sense, The Serinity Prayer.

I chose, for several reasons, none of them political, to leave the US and retire in the Philippines.

I was 59, I married a 21 year old, and could afford to live a comfortable retirement. NONE of which were available to me in the US.

For me, this is paradise. But, I could also put together a string of *****es a mile long. I don't like this, I don't like that, I don't like something else.

I have the same three choices. Accept it, change it, or leave it.

I can't change it, faced with the alternatives, I don't want to leave it, therefore, I MUST accept it.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Except that there is a percentage of masochists in every society. People who get their jollies by beating their heads against a brick wall. "Georgians in favor of the reinstallation of slavery," "Citizens agains WWI", " Use a condom, save a life that may end up looking like you", "Americans in Support of the Salem Witch Hunts".

The headlines in the supermarket tabloids tell the whole story.
"I had sex with Elvis last night", "Triplets, one white, one brown, one yellow." The mother was a hooker who took on three foreigners in one night.

"Yes, he's the product of a Virgin Birth, but please don't crucify my son when he's 33".

"Read my lips"; "I am not a thief"; "It depend's on what your definition of "is" is."

If you can't change it, either get out or shut up.

I didn't like the yellow line in the middle of highways throughout the US. I thought it should be Marine Corps Green. I could spend a lifetime repainting the lines, but I was too old to complete the job, and since I couldn't accept it, I left.

I married a 21 year old. We now have four kids, and I really don't give a **** what color the center stripe is on the US Interstate.

That's YOUR problem. Live with it.

So, to the anti-whatever protestors, I have this to say. Once a decision has been made, either accept it and support it, or get the hell out.

And we will now bow our heads and recite the Serinity Prayer.

[USMC0311]

Heads-UP


The following is a real nice memorial. It does shed some light on realism.
For those that Protest War.
http://www.politicsandprotest.org/ long load.good music

This is what happens when the enemy is left to his own design.

What does it take for people to realize that we are a "TARGET"

[Lthrneck_Allan]

So who wants to be at the corner of Embarcadero and Market Streets at 11 a.m in San Fransisco on the 18th of Jan? Any one willing to try and show up these tree huggin hippies?

[wrbones]

Even if I had the resources, I'd have trouble makin' up my mind which one to go to. They're holdin the damn things all over the world!

[USMC0311]

Originally posted by Lthrneck_Allan
So who wants to be at the corner of Embarcadero and Market Streets at 11 a.m in San Fransisco on the 18th of Jan? Any one willing to try and show up these tree huggin hippies?

You Cover our six while yer doin the Active Marine Duty and your Brother and Sister Marines in Citizenville will Cover yer six with the Protesters.

Semper Fidelis, PFC Allan

[Riven37]

I was watching the news tonight (Tuesday 1/14/03) and it said if America doesn't go to War with Iraq we will loss all our support with other countries the next time we need it. Seems like to me those other Countries are telling America they want us to do the dirty work for them.

I don't like War either havin been in Nam and lost many there but if America, doesn't take control of this world crisis soon and get rid of all those dictators the world will never have peace.

Its funny how many of us who's been in War have differnet views on our beliefs. Anyways, America is like the roman Empior, one day we will be defeted by others.






:bandit:

[Earle Comstock]

I really don't fore see being defeated by another country . As of now , most of the wars (I'm not talking Revolutionary , Civil ) have been fought on forein soil . Yes Pearl Harbor was a cheap shot on the US , As was the Twin Towers , Pentagon And the plane which crashed in Pa. We as Americans are resilient , we bounce back , maybe not as fast as I feel we should , but we do just the same .
I look at things a little different than most , and I go shooting my mouth off before I take time to think things over . I feel that no other country could come into the US and do to us , like we did to the Iraqee's in the Gulf war .
We got all these protesters , we got all the dope smokers , momma boys and all the other worthless waste of life in our country , but If sh it hit the fan in the good old USA , I think you would see a different America .
I'll go where ever they send me , but my heart won't be in it as much as if they attack my homeland . Now 9-11 sent me through the roof . I never wanted a man dead as much as I want Osama and his Momma Bin Laden . The government cant tell me that they can see a pack of cigerettes lying on the ground from space , but they don't know where that coc ksucker is . They either know where he is , or he's dead already .
Another motherfvcker is that Hussein bas tard . Did you know that in 1980 when Mt. St. Helens blew , it took 17 days for the ash from that explosion to make it around the world , back to Washington state ? So what happened when Hussein had those oilfields set on fire ? What are the long term affects of that . They should have got that SOB the first time .
I watched the History channel tonight about the Gulf war . If that didn't pi ss off the Pope . Granted the USA was swift , I don't know about silent , but they were deadly . Only took them 100 hours to end the war . BUT they didn't finish the job .
Bring that sh it over here , don't be chicken sh it , fight like men and take the as s whoopin you got comin .
The only thing I can say now about the war soon approaching , kill that co cksucker this time !
NUFF SAID

Semper Fi Marines
Cpl Commie
:rambo: Kill A Commie For Mommy :rambo:
Be Good To Yourself And Respect Your Elders :cool:
Death And Destruction Professionally , USMC

[USMC-FO]

Jeez 'Riven37' are you in the dumper today ! I think we're a long way from going down the tubes here in the US--certainly not in our lifetimes or even 20 generations out as I see it. I don't really give a good crap if the rest of the world supports us or not, what can they do about it? Lots of ****ing and moaning and then nothing! Suck it and smile Marine !

Remember, SEMPER FI !!

[Riven37]

USMC-FO I'm not down in the dumper today...My statements tag along the lines of the Roman history because America is structured after Roman Empior. I have a strange way at looking at things because I study Roman War Stratigies, including its politics. Think about Americas situation today and all the Wars we ever had in our history then apply it to the Roman Empior and we would see a close similarity to America.

The Roman Empior conquered all it laid its hands on right? America puts its nose where it doesn't belong, like Rome had done many centuries ago. See what I'm saying. Why is it always left up to America to govern the world? To me, it more like America acting like the Roman Empior but without its land conquering stuff. Its like America being the Mothering country taking care of all its children (smaler countries).

Anyways, one day america could and may well be defeated if enough countries came together to defet us. It may not be soon but I say it may be 100's or 1,000 of years from now but it will come. Its part of evolution of countries which is a natural process countries go through.

so I'm not in the dumper but writing this post may put me in the dumster then, I would be in the dumper or may be in the Sh*tter whichever comes first lol.





:chinese:

[JBrac420]

Seems like these 'Peace' activists have a lot of time to sit around winding themselves up about a war they know little or nothing about. It appears to me that most of these groups are made up of students and professors who sit in their warm classrooms, offices and dormitorys, run up large credit card bills, spend money out of their trust funds and then have the nerve to turn around and tell us working stiffs how horrible the USA is... I'll bet not too many 'peaceniks' were killed on 9/11... it was average Americans who were out working and trying to provide for themselves and their families. Remember 9/11!!! Never Forget!!!
Semper Fi!!!

[USMC0311]

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1180923.html

I am in agreement with Joel Kernodle, in the above link. The Marine making the statement.

It is not necessary to violate the Honor of our Patriots, by staging a rally at Veterans Monuments.

I hope All Americans can agree with that!!!

[mardet65]

Originally posted by Riven37
Anyways, America is like the roman Empior, one day we will be defeted by others.
:bandit:

Not as long as there's a Marine Corps and we're allowed to do our job!

The United States is not, and has never been anything like the Roman Empire! We have never invaded another country for any reason other than self defence, whether of ourself or of another freedom loving entity. Thats not to say we never benefited from past wars. We have, but we were never the aggressor and never subjected any other society to domination by our country. Look at Germany and Japan as current examples; Both countries are free societies, self governed and better off today than they would be had they not been defeated by the United States. That's nothing like what the Roman Empire did to the enemies they conquered.
Secondly, The US is not the worlds policeman and we have no intention of telling the rest of the world how to behave. Unless, their behavior threatens our existance or our freedom to determine our own beliefs and behavior.
If Iraq, North Korea, France, Canada or any other country on the globe threatens us by use of force, we have every right to say and if necessary do something about it.
I'm sick of hearing how we poke our nose in other countries business. The only time we've ever acted was when provoked, and that makes it our right to do so.

[USMC-FO]

Well put "MarDet65" ! I am with you. Riven took issue with my previous point that he seemed in the dumper and after reading his follow up I did not see any point in continuing the discussion. I don't agree with his points and I think neither do you. Just seems if you're that down on our future, even if it is a 1000 years out, then I would say you're in the dumper. I was hoping he'd take a brighter tack on things but I guess not.

But he's still a brother so I guess we can deal with it.

Semper Fi !!

[mardet65]

Originally posted by USMC-FO


But he's still a brother so I guess we can deal with it.

Semper Fi !!
Absolutely!

[jbavol]

The difference between America and the Roman Empire (not empoir) is we are a democracy. What Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence is an absolute truth ... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

These absolute truths were then codified by Hamilton in our Bill of Rights, i.e. the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. The Roman Empire, after Agustus, believed the Emporer was a god, and government flowed through him and the ruling class. This Divine Right concept kept the ruling class in power for millenia.

The radical concept that government was "of the people, by the people and for the people" (Lincoln's Gettysburg Address) had never been tried.

As more countries and civilizations awaken to their rights not only does our democracy gain strength, but so does our safety.

During WWII, for the first time, conquered nations did not fear the conquering forces. By this I mean West Germany and Japan. While the fighting, especially in the Pacific was barbarous, America did not rape, pillage and plunder. This was not true at any time in 10.000 years of human history.

Every human being strives for freedom, we are born with it. Only when all peoples are free will there be peace. As a democracy, it is our duty to make all persons free. We have an opportunity now in Afganistan and Iraq to show the Muslim world what freedom is. We must take it.

This leads me to the current discussions. While I vehemently disagree with the current protester's position, I would fight and have fought to defend their right to express their views. It is because we can protest, hold free elections in time of war, or have this discussion here that makes America so great.

Will the United States go on forever in its present state? No one knows. But I state confidently whatever happens to our future generations, they will be free. Democracies do not lose wars. Germany trained their soldiers from birth, but the will to be free is greater than brainwashing. Our Marines, soldiers, sailors and airmen are endowed with this freedom. It does not make them soft, instead the desire for freedom burns inside them making them invincible. Likewise, while we don't have to agree with protesters, the ability to speak freely only makes us a stronger nation. I don't ask you to like, love or agree with those whom we disagree, I only ask rejoice that we live in a country where people can protest without the threat of reprisals, torture or death.

[SHOOTER1]

Rome only had the Pretorian Guard, The United States has the Marines, thats the difference, nuff said, Semper Fi.

[Earle Comstock]

Well I've been watching the History channel for the past few days about the Gulf War . My lady and myself , have not been that pis sed for quite sometime . I don't know to whom my anger should be directed toward . Hussein , the U.N . All the Allies or the USA . Very imformative , I guess I found out things I didn't know or didn't want to know . My lady and I stayed up for hours last night discussing this one .
Did anyone else catch the History channel ? What are your thoughts? One Pis sed off Jarhead !

[wrbones]

I saw it. All ya have to do is watch the news regular and read a paper once in awhile. I thought the presentation was balanced myself.

That info is why I'm doin' this email 'campaign', and why I've been postin' that kinda stuff lately.

The final straw fer me was hearin that peace activists are usin Veteran memorials and military bases for places to stage their demonstrations.

Hold a damn demonstration, but wouldn't it make more sense to find a politician's office, or someplace in front of Congress or in front of 'City Hall' of something?

I don't think straight sometimes, but these peace organizer
folks make me look like Einstein!

Subversive, seditious, disloyal, up-patriotic, traitorous, disrespectful, mis-informed, non-thinkin', discourteous, users and silly-ass game playin',wannabe, foolish, ignorant, jug-headed, naive, ****-ant, cowardly, weak-kneed, disingenous cock-eyed, misled,propagandizin', I got mine and screw you, freedom hatin', liberal, left wing extremist *****s. Sellin' their names to the first bunch that comes down the road tellin' them what they wanta hear, "Just give us some cash and we'll all make the world a better place by protestin at Veteran's memorials, publishin
newsletters and openin websites and tellin the world how the US really feels about things."

I can't say what I really "feel" without goin' offline.

Take off yer rose colored glasses and look around.

The Islamists want us all dead! Period. They won't give up til they have ruined us.

That does NOT mean that I agree with everything that our government does or has not done. I have some very deep concerns about what it's up to concernin' the Bill of Rights, here.

Jesus. I almost went on a rant there.

Don't worry. I ain't mad....





...yet.


Just hold yer damn "peace" rallys somewhere ****in' else.

[Earle Comstock]

Well it just pis sed me off that we pulled the troops out of the Gulf war before the job was done , because Bush was worried what other countries think of him . They want the US to fight all the battles , but then gonna tell us how to do it .
Then Swatrzcoff and the rest of them let them keep their weapons , and let them fly again , while the US was still there .
They were worried that Israel would retaliate , because Hussein fired missiles at them .
Then to find out that our Allies are supplying Iraq with weapons of destruction .The US is also a supplier .
Our Allies want the US to take care of things , don't want their soldiers involved ,because of what they are affraid what Suddam is going to do . I don't understand , if they want the US to take care of it , then stand back and let us do our job .
If you don't like what you see then go hide in the corner with the women . They don't want to go in the desert because they are affraid they will get sand in their vagina's .
Then find out that Hussein has maybe 6 stand-ins . What a thing to put on your resume , yea I was a stunt double for Suddam Hussein .
Regardless of what happens , I think its going to be a different war this time . I hope and pray for the best , may God bless all the troops .Thanks for listening , I have more , but I feel a little better now that I vented .

[wrbones]

How about the part where they said the real Saddam hasn't been seen for at least four years?

[Earle Comstock]

Kinda scarey aint it ?
When Mt. St. Helens blew it took 17 days for the ash to make it around the Earth .
What happens if the airstrikes cause this Antrax or smallpox to become air born ?
Whats the long term affect?
What about the water supply?
Now I'm not trying to cause some kind of caos or to panic everyone .
But we are , after all , dealing with Suddam Insane .
They even admitted in that program ,what the government is trying to deny , about the Gulf War Syndrome .
Just some sh it to ponder .

[firstsgtmike]

"They don't want to go in the desert because they are affraid they will get sand in their vagina's"

It's the reason why women don't like clam bakes and other beer drinking beach parties, they don't want to get sand in their Schlitz.

[USMC-FO]

Hey "Top" Earle.....Jeez VERY NOT PC !! but VERY FUNNY !!!

[mardet65]

One Marines opinion:
Sadam Hussain's regime is "Evil"! No doubt about it.
I support President Bush; and if we're going to war with Iraq, let's do it and get it over with recognizing the enemy as Hussain and his regime, not the Iraqui people. However, war with Iraq or not; I believe the real "serpent beneath the rose" is Saudi Arabia, and sooner or later we will be at war with this so called ally.

[JBrac420]

Jihad has been declared against us by the Islamic extremists. No 'ifs ands or buts' about it!!! Trying a peaceful approach with them will result in more lives lost. It doesn't get much easier then that...
Semper Fi

[USMC0311]

Originally posted by Earle Comstock
Well I've been watching the History channel for the past few days about the Gulf War . My lady and myself , have not been that pis sed for quite sometime . I don't know to whom my anger should be directed toward . Hussein , the U.N . All the Allies or the USA . Very informative , I guess I found out things I didn't know or didn't want to know . My lady and I stayed up for hours last night discussing this one .
Did anyone else catch the History channel ? What are your thoughts? One Pis sed off Jarhead !

Welcome Home Brother.

You did your Duty Marine. That You can be Proud of!!
You are not responsible for actions further than your influence.
Your Oath to Honor, Courage and Commitment in Fighting for God, Country and Corps was and I'm sure still is Semper Fidelis.
It doan mean nuthin Bro.

I get to be a bit of a cynic at times, then I realize, some people will give their soul for attention.

You have your Sweetheart/Wife Bro and You will Always Be a Marine.

[Riven37]

The United States is not, and has never been anything like the Roman Empire!

Mardet65

how much history do you know about the Roman Empire? So you don't believe America's Govt. hasn't been taken from the Romans! I hate to disappoint you but many things have been taken from the Roman Empire. America is more like that of the Roman Empire then you may think.

Research this info on History Channel its all there if you take the time to research it. PS (don't think in one term open your mind bud..think out of the box).

And you USMC-FO.....I'll read your post closley from now on Hehehe!........ :bunny:

[mardet65]

Riven37

You don't know anything about me or how I think. But then, small minded people always resort to personal attacks when they're unable to support their position with information and fact.
If the history channel is the source of your education that explains a lot of things about your previous comments...
And please, don't go into a long winded dissertation about how all government is loosely based on the roman system... you missed the train on my reply to your roman empire analogy and it's too far down the track for you to catch it now.
A little unsolicited advice: If you're going to express your views in an open forum format you should be prepared for others to exercise their right to disagree with you.

[wrbones]

Play nice boys. Facts and figures please.

Personal attacks won't fly here! ;)

Take it behind the barracks. i.e. PM's and emails.

[mardet65]

Originally posted by wrbones

Personal attacks won't fly here! ;)


Thanks Bones, my point exactly.