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Seeley
12-24-02, 02:52 AM
I know its a bit late to be bragging but hey...

The first JROTC drill, rifle and strength team competition of the year and of course everything I participated in got 1st :). I shot a 259/300 to recieve top shooter in the sporter class (the class without all the extra shooting gear). My team also got 1st place overall in sporter AA class and strength team won 1st after the first 2 events and we didn't even have to do the mile run according to Gunny :). I only hope that this continues :).

wrbones
12-24-02, 02:56 AM
Congratulations, kiddo!

Keep up the good work.

Now get down and gimme twenty! :D

Ya been doin' yer home werk fer goin' to boot? Ya know, readin all that stuff I posted in the Poolee Hall, and the Marine Mentor forum? Don't ferget the CMC's recommended reading list!



Yer just gettin' started big whip! Stay focused!

Well done.

firstsgtmike
12-24-02, 06:32 AM
Seeley,

It must be ESP. I was looking at the posts today, and felt that you hadn't been here for awhile.

And now, here you are.

A line that I use, borrowed/stolen from a long ago movie is:

"No brag. Just fact."

Now, if I were your coach, we'd be talking about the 41 points you missed.

I'd be talking, you'd be listening, and you'd miss the tears of pride that I could not hide.

I hope your parents were there. For you, and for them.

Mike Farrell
Cagayan de Oro
Philippines

Seeley
12-24-02, 11:23 AM
Thanks for the compliments guys! I wish my parents were there though...they came to a competition once last year and said watching us shoot was like watching the grass grow (I'm not going to argue there). Besides they had something more important to do by watching my little brother wrestle. They were there for me when I was younger like my brother and now its his turn I guess. Its okay though :).

Firstsgtmike: Yes, I'm back :). Major and I did talk about the points I missed too lol. We figured out that I could have easilly picked up a good 8 points on my targets which is something I'll have to try and fix in January.

Wrbones: I've been reading up on a book called Flags of Our Fathers. It's a book about the people who raised the flag on Iwo Jima and it was wrote by the son of one of the flag raisers. I like it so far :) .

Silver_XAT
01-08-03, 07:52 PM
I was fortunate enough to have read _Flags of Our Fathers_ as part of an honors sociology class at USF this past fall. It's a great book. I found the thought staggering when, after having read the 400 page book, I realized that I had only begun to meet maybe less than 2 dozen characters, and yet more than 6000 men died to take Iwo. So many untold stories remain... never to be heard.

RoboRobinson17
01-08-03, 11:23 PM
I was also fortunate to read Flags of Our Fathers, as recreational reading. I think that you guys would also like two books on a Marine Sniper, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock II. The books are Silent Warrior, and also 93 Confirmed Kills; both by Charles Henderson. These are two excellent books and I think that you would find them intriguing Seeley. Just my thoughts...

Joe

wrbones
01-08-03, 11:30 PM
Those are good books kids. You'll find a lot more book lists posted on this forum. Including stuff you'll want to know when ya get to boot! ;)

Red Dragon
01-09-03, 12:25 PM
But shooting at the enemy is another thing, you might be saving the lives of your Brother Marines and/or you own. Think about it.
I knew a Marine who barely shot Marksman, but in combat he was one of the best shooters I have ever seen. Two different situations, think about it.

Red Dragon aka HL

Seeley
01-09-03, 08:58 PM
That's why I like to go paintballing whenever I can. Shows you how fast someone can go down when things get hairy.

DevilPup2004
01-09-03, 10:50 PM
Ya know, the fact that my life may depend on my emotional and psychological ability to shoot the enemy someday (yes, even though I'm a female) is exactly why I've chosen to abstain from paintballing. I don't want my subconscious to get into the habit that when I'm running around shooting at people, it's a game.

It just doesn't seem worth it to me. The way I see it, boot camp is specifically designed to prepare recruits, even females, in the basics of war, whether they're going 0300, 0100, 1800, or 5800. Now, I haven't been there yet, so I don't know squat. But I've never heard anything of paintball being part of Grass Week or Rifle Quals.

Maybe I'm looking at things too seriously. But then, paintballing is illegal in Israel. Why? Because all Israelis, male and female, serve in the military once they turn 18.

I'm not trying to say that paintball is the root of all evil, I'm simply posting my perspective on it.

Seeley
01-10-03, 12:30 AM
And I thank you for your perspective :). I just like paintball because it gives you a respect for how things work. My dad and I have gone together on a few occasions and he showed me some of the concealment training he learned and advancement tactics as well. One time we were at an indoor facility and he showed me how to clear rooms with some of my friends. So yeah, I guess paintball could be a bad thing if you were to go psycho but then again I don't have any plans to :).

firstsgtmike
01-10-03, 01:53 AM
2004 & Seeley;

I've never thought about it before. I've never seen paintball, though I've heard about it.

I think you both make a good point.

It's like penny-ante poker. If you play,saying what the hell, worst thing that can happen is I'll lose a dollar for the night. I guarantee you will learn bad poker habits.

If you treat each penny like $100, and losing one hand can cost you your rent money, then you play differently.

If paintball is no more than, hey the worst thing that can happen is a trip to the laundermat, I guarantee you will pick up bad habits.

If a daub of paint means, holy sh it, I would've been dead. THEN you can begin to learn the finer points of the "game".

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Penny ante poker or paintball, two games from which you can learn how to win, or how to lose.

I've played penny ante, and invited some of the players to join me in a high stakes game. And some of the players, I just didn't want to mess with.

The same thing would apply if I were playing paintball. Some I would invite to a game with live bullets, and others, I wouldn't want to mess with.

So I think you're both right. Therefore....learn from each other.

Every encounter is a learning experience. You learn what to do and how to do it, OR what NOT to do and how to avoid it.

Computers have shown us how really simple life is. Every gate is either a 0 or a 1, either open or closed, on or off. Boolean logic, if this, then that; if not this, then not that. Up or down, either or.

If that's too far ahead of the game for you, then let's leave it at penny ante poker and paintball.

Mike Farrell
Cagayan de Oro
Philippines

JAMarine
01-10-03, 05:20 AM
Shawn;

As I wade through all the posts and the PaintBall and the PennyAnte stuff, Congrats.

Glad you did so well.

rich

DevilPup2004
01-10-03, 11:31 AM
First Sgt- Thank you for sharing your wisdom. It didn't fall on deaf ears -- or at least not mine.

Seely- I had never thought about adding tactical training to a game of paintball. My Civil Air Patrol unit does some tactical training, but we use training M16A1s (they're rubber, yet realistically weighted). It's outstanding! Tactical training days are definitely right up there on the list of the best days of my short life.

leroy8541
01-11-03, 10:22 AM
Paintball is a GAME!! Great physical training good for raising morale and alot of fun. But using it to train for combat useless paintballs travel at speeds less than 300 ft/sec. bullets travel at speed greater than 2500 ft/sec. in paintball you can hide behind a bush for cover in combat not even a telephone pole will help much. Like the first sgt. said it will develop bad habits, and in combat bad habits not only mean you will lose, but you will die!
even habits like smoking and drinking! and if you die in combat because of a bad habit you will unevitably cause the death of more Marines. thats probably why the Marines do not hold paint ball wars for training. Although they do use a laser system called miles but i will not get into that right now it will only cause me to rant.
nonetheless congrats on the marksmanship victory that is for real training keep up the good work good marksmanship is the key to winning battles all the fire and movement drills in the world won't help if you can't hit the broad side of a barn!

Red Dragon
01-14-03, 12:23 PM
PaintBall Games are just that games. There really isn't anything to be gained by playing these games except having fun and spending a lot of money.
I have played these games, most of the nonVeterans thought that they were John Wayne and company.

Red Dragon aka HL

firstsgtmike
01-14-03, 04:00 PM
You made my point.

"Six the easy way six, hard ways come down, pay the front line, take the back line. Place your bets, same shooter coming out".

Seeley
01-14-03, 04:05 PM
Haha John Wayne! But who couldn't love a face like that?
http://home.attbi.com/~shawnseeley/johnwayne.jpg

jbavol
01-15-03, 02:23 PM
One of the best books to read to prepare a young potential Marine is "With the Old Breed." I forget the author but it's on the Commadant's reading list. Steven Ambrose, my favorite author, calls it the best war memoir ever written. Also, a book called "One Bugle, No Drums" this is about the 1st Marines at the Chosin Resevoir. Each an excellent read and demonstrate what a good Marine can do against the odds.

Seeley
01-18-03, 11:25 PM
Today we had a rifle meet in Tacoma, WA and kicked butt! JV and Varisty both got 1st place! I also got...get this...AN EXPERT MEDAL!!!

I'll have to take a picture of it so I can show you guys :). I am also going to receive a pistol expert badge at our next unit inspection!

So now I have a 1st place Sporter Class AA Sharpshooter medal and a 1st place Expert :D

Barrio_rat
01-19-03, 01:43 AM
Seeley, what type and calibre of weapons are you using? Sounds like you are doing well with the marksmanship. Well done! You seem to be a good study as well as having some natural ability. This builds confidence in a shooter and helps to keep good scores coming.

Here is a bit of advice my father gave me. He learned to shoot in the Marine Corps and he taught me in the same manner. When I went to Boot Camp all he said was, 'forget what I taught you. They will teach you all you need to know for shooting, learn their way and you will do well." I took his advice. There were some differences, though they were minor. I shot expert. This does not mean you are learning anything 'wrong'. Only that your PMI's will be teaching you how to qualify in the USMC. They do this for a living and know what they are talking about. Listen to 'em and listen well.

Again, well done on your shooting! Keep up the good work.

Seeley
01-19-03, 01:52 PM
Barrio_rat: We are only shooting .177 caliber air rifles but the pricipals of marksmanship is the same as if it were .22's or an M-16 or any other rifle for that matter. I really enjoy marksmanship but wish we had a chance to shoot a high powered rifle. In past years (before all the school shootings mind you) the standard rifle was a .22. Oh well. My dad has put some concideration into purchasing a .22 for me or possibly an ar-15 for the both of us to go to a range with. A .22 would be fun but I've used my friends' ar-15 and that is the funnest thing I have ever had the pleasure to fire (yet).

leroy8541
01-19-03, 02:30 PM
Those AR-15's can get pretty pricey they run about 600-900 bucks been thinking of buying one for myself to play with, maybe snuff a few coyotes.

Seeley
01-19-03, 09:09 PM
Heh. I already use my break-barrel pellet rifle to take out rats. Sometimes I get so many of 'em that they don't come back for a long time so I set up dog food and peanut butter lures and lay perfectly still in the corner of the yard ;). My mom says I'm sick, my dad says I'm just like he was LOL.

wrbones
01-19-03, 10:04 PM
Hey, Seeley! You'll do alright...if they don't give ya a section 8!


Somethin' seems a little off about lurin' rats to the AO just so ya can shoot 'em! LOL


Now what happens when ya go to boot and yer Mom has all those rats in the yard? LOL.

Earle Comstock
01-19-03, 10:09 PM
Come on , Come on , quit threatning him with a section 8 .
Next thing you know they will be calling him Klinger and we all know he was in the Army .
Besides , the Corp don't care if your crazy , in fact they prefer it .

Seeley
01-19-03, 11:31 PM
:) Thanks for the encouragement wrbones LOL

Seeley
02-14-03, 08:28 PM
Kentwood MCJROTC is having a rifle meet Saturday 15 February at Liberty High School. Wish us steady hands and patients on the range so we can take another first place! I'm also going for a 3-for-3 with ribbons ;). Just thought I'd let you guys know what was up with the unit.

- Seeley

wrbones
02-14-03, 08:30 PM
Good luck, Seeley.

Let us know what happened

leroy8541
02-15-03, 11:19 AM
good luck seely. luring rats into the open laying perfectly motionless crazy? Nah, just the fresh ground to build another 8541. have you you seen the Air Force commercial where the kid jumps into the water and comes up a rescue diver then they say we have been waiting for you? Well Seeley WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU!!!!!!

Seeley
02-15-03, 09:29 PM
Haha thanks leroy8541 :). As for the meet, both JV and Varisty got 1st place again and 6 out of 8 of us won medals. I didn't get a medal this time but I got 1st place in my category. I didn't get a medal because the Navy screwed up...what do you know the NAVY SCREWED UP. It doesn't really matter though because we all know that I deserved one and Major told me so anyway. I out scored the next person (my captain) by 4 points and he got a 1st place so I guess that as long as the team crushed the opposition its all that matters. Team first, self later!