booksbenji
06-11-06, 03:14 PM
like this:
http://www.azcentral.com/sshow/News/Benson/3708_62813.jpg
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/sendaletter.html
This was in the Wed's editorial page, ENJOY FOLKS
Me thinks that I will hit the email Trail.:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
His_angel
06-11-06, 03:32 PM
How sad. Someone needs a serious @$$ kicking for desecrating our EGA like that.
This POS ****s on every Marine that wore that EGA. God I hate dumb people!
booksbenji
06-11-06, 04:27 PM
Wrote this, have submitted it yet, just wanted to see if it clear enough to Mr. Benson?
Mr Benson needs to have his brain ck for prejudices. It is not nice to P/O the entire USMC Community (serving Marines, retired Marines and Marine Veterans). That is just over 2.6M Marines, Mr Benson. Ever have a ****ED OFF MARINE ON YOUR TRAIL?
Pls read the following:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-schaeffer11jun11,1,4022208.story?track=rss
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Fourth estate or fifth column
Jan 25, 2005 by Thomas Sowell
Op-Ed
The Meridian Star
In one more case of trying to help Iraq, young Marines are being brought to trial. All service people in Iraq had rather be home with their families than facing a country that I wonder whether really wants to be free.
Ask yourself this question repeatedly: "What would I have done?" Let's look at the real question that is on the table: "Who gets killed in the Iraq War?" The Air Force will tell you quick that bombs have no names and are indiscriminate and take no names as to who gets killed. The pilots fly in tired and weary, eat chow, go to bed and wonder if they are going to survive another mission so they can come back to their families. The helicopter pilots fly in with special ops to extract wounded and maybe save a few ground pounders' lives. If they get shot down, their widow gets a flag and thanks from a grateful nation. Who are going to be the fathers and mentors for the children whose parent was killed?
Do we want to bring a 13-year-old Iraqi youth to stand trial for firing an RPG that took down that chopper and took innocent lives with it? No, we say to the widow, and give her a flag and let her raise her children as best she can. It is a little ridiculous that all we give widows is a flag and Purple Heart. Gone and forgotten is the way it goes for American KIAs.
Let's put the real question on the table. We cannot create a war posture in a country and create a sterile environment. The enemy, as long as there have been wars, has used civilians as protection against our Marines just because of this bull crap. In a combat zone, it is free fire all the way. What were civilians doing in a free-fire zone? They were there creating a liability for our Marines so they could stand a court-martial and go to jail.
There are no timeouts in war; there are no safe places for Marines. It is killed or be killed. Has Vietnam been so long ago that we have forgotten the villages, the men, women and children who were killed? Have we forgotten that good Marines and good soldiers would be old now if it hadn't been for a woman or child with an AK47 - not to mention all the booby traps set by women, old folks and children. The servicemen would like to have had our apple-pie life, but they got a coffin and were forgotten.
I never shall forget the son of a door-gunner who was killed in a rescue helicopter trying to save his friends. A child with an RPG shot the helicopter. The son told me, with tears streaming down his face, that he had to go so he could save lives. Folks, it was his third trip over. He didn't have to do it because it was his third trip over. That is what our people do best: Die for what they believe in.
I have had a student of mine killed in Iraq, and countless upon countless students and friends have gone over and come back less than whole. My heart of hearts has a hole in it that will never heal, so how must his family feel? Have they gotten anything except a flag? Yes, they have a son whom they will always cherish because he chose to do the right thing. Have you tried to comfort any family who has had a loved one killed? It will be the longest period of time in your life because you can't bring him or her back!
Now in closing, let's put the full deck on the table! In our society, these men would have been justly tried for murder. Wake up, folks. It is not our society! It is a country that has vicious, wicked, cold-hearted killers. These Marines were led by officers and NCOs who believe that their God-given duty is to protect one another. Do we know what these Iraq men and women were doing in hostile territory? Were they the ones who, for whatever reasons, were harboring the enemy and killing our Marines?
Do you know what the thousand-yard stare is? It is the stare you get when enough of your friends and buddies have died in your arms and you don't really care who dies next on the side of the enemy. All you want to do is survive and protect your buddies so you can have a part of "The Apple Pie Life."
If we have to bring to court Marines who have killed innocent civilians, then we are in the wrong ball game, so let's get out of Dodge. The second order of business is to fire our senators and congressmen for doing what we asked them to do.
For those of you who think this letter is a bit harsh, there are two things you need to do. One is to visit a veterans hospital to see the horrible shape they will spend the rest of their lives in. Two, you should visit the wives, parents and children of those men and women who have been killed in action. Still not with me? Then send your child and have them die on the altar of freedom and see if you worry about who is in an enemy combat zone or a free-fire zone. Every real combat veteran has enough punishment because he has had to fight in a war that he will relive in his dreams the rest of his life. He will see faces, hear the shots, hear the screams for help, and if a person is killed in his sights, then only going to heaven will erase that. What more can you ask or expect?
If this article has stirred you in any way, I encourage you to write the president and the commandant of the Marine Corps and anyone in between and "raise hell."
Tim Croswell
Philadelphia
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Ifin U have not BTDT don't tried to put my combat boots on, BRO, for they shall swallow, chew u up and spit u rite back out
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There are still people in the mainstream media who profess bewilderment that they are accused of being biased. But you need to look no further than reporting on the war in Iraq to see the bias staring you in the face, day after day, on the front page of the New York Times and in much of the rest of the media.
If a battle ends with Americans killing a hundred guerrillas and terrorists, while sustaining ten fatalities, that is an American victory. But not in the mainstream media. The headline is more likely to read: "Ten More Americans Killed in Iraq Today."
This kind of journalism can turn victory into defeat in print or on TV. Kept up long enough, it can even end up with real defeat, when support for the war collapses at home and abroad.
One of the biggest American victories during the Second World War was called "the great Marianas turkey shoot" because American fighter pilots shot down more than 340 Japanese planes over the Marianas islands while losing just 30 American planes. But what if our current reporting practices had been used back then?
The story, as printed and broadcast, could have been: "Today eighteen American pilots were killed and five more severely wounded, as the Japanese blasted more than two dozen American planes out of the sky." A steady diet of that kind of one-sided reporting and our whole war effort against Japan might have collapsed.
Whether the one-sided reporting of the war in Vietnam was a factor in the American defeat there used to be a matter of controversy. But, in recent years, high officials of the Communist government of Vietnam have themselves admitted that they lost the war on the battlefields but won it in the U.S. media and on the streets of America, where political pressures from the anti-war movement threw away the victory for which thousands of American lives had been sacrificed.
Too many in the media today regard the reporting of the Vietnam war as one of their greatest triumphs. It certainly showed the power of the media -- but also its irresponsibility. Some in the media today seem determined to recapture those glory days by the way they report on events in the Iraq war.
First, there is the mainstream media's almost exclusive focus on American casualties in Iraq, with little or no attention to the often much larger casualties inflicted on the guerrillas and terrorists from inside and outside Iraq.
Since terrorists are pouring into Iraq in response to calls from international terrorist networks, the number of those who are killed is especially important, for these are people who will no longer be around to launch more attacks on American soil. Iraq has become a magnet for enemies of the United States, a place where they can be killed wholesale, thousands of miles away.
With all the turmoil and bloodshed in Iraq, both military and civilian people returning from that country are increasingly expressing amazement at the difference between what they have seen with their own eyes and the far worse, one-sided picture that the media presents to the public here.
Our media cannot even call terrorists terrorists, but instead give these cutthroats the bland name, "insurgents." You might think that these were like the underground fighters in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War II.
The most obvious difference is that the underground in Europe did not go around targeting innocent civilians. As for the Nazis, they tried to deny the atrocities they committed. But today the "insurgents" in Iraq are proud of their barbarism, videotape it, and publicize it -- often with the help of the Western media.
Real insurgents want to get the occupying power out of their country. But the fastest way to get Americans out of Iraq would be to do the opposite of what these "insurgents" are doing. Just by letting peace and order return, those who want to see American troops gone would speed their departure.
The United States has voluntarily pulled out of conquered territory all around the world, including neighboring Kuwait during the first Gulf war. But the real goal of the guerrillas and terrorists is to prevent democracy from arising in the Middle East.
Still, much of the Western media even cannot call a spade a spade. The Fourth Estate sometimes seems more like a Fifth Column.
Thomas Sowell is the prolific author of books such as Black Rednecks and White Liberals and Applied Economics
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Mr. Bensoon have u been in COMBAT. It not a nice place to be. Their's blood, dying, FEAR, S**T in YOUR PANTS cause You are SCARED to DEATH, but u survive sometimes. IFIN not U get KIA and buried in the warm EARTH. Before you put up another cartoon like this, read this:
Op-Ed
The Meridian Star
In one more case of trying to help Iraq, young Marines are being brought to trial. All service people in Iraq had rather be home with their families than facing a country that I wonder whether really wants to be free.
Ask yourself this question repeatedly: "What would I have done?" Let's look at the real question that is on the table: "Who gets killed in the Iraq War?" The Air Force will tell you quick that bombs have no names and are indiscriminate and take no names as to who gets killed. The pilots fly in tired and weary, eat chow, go to bed and wonder if they are going to survive another mission so they can come back to their families. The helicopter pilots fly in with special ops to extract wounded and maybe save a few ground pounders' lives. If they get shot down, their widow gets a flag and thanks from a grateful nation. Who are going to be the fathers and mentors for the children whose parent was killed?
Do we want to bring a 13-year-old Iraqi youth to stand trial for firing an RPG that took down that chopper and took innocent lives with it? No, we say to the widow, and give her a flag and let her raise her children as best she can. It is a little ridiculous that all we give widows is a flag and Purple Heart. Gone and forgotten is the way it goes for American KIAs.
Let's put the real question on the table. We cannot create a war posture in a country and create a sterile environment. The enemy, as long as there have been wars, has used civilians as protection against our Marines just because of this bull crap. In a combat zone, it is free fire all the way. What were civilians doing in a free-fire zone? They were there creating a liability for our Marines so they could stand a court-martial and go to jail.
There are no timeouts in war; there are no safe places for Marines. It is killed or be killed. Has Vietnam been so long ago that we have forgotten the villages, the men, women and children who were killed? Have we forgotten that good Marines and good soldiers would be old now if it hadn't been for a woman or child with an AK47 - not to mention all the booby traps set by women, old folks and children. The servicemen would like to have had our apple-pie life, but they got a coffin and were forgotten.
I never shall forget the son of a door-gunner who was killed in a rescue helicopter trying to save his friends. A child with an RPG shot the helicopter. The son told me, with tears streaming down his face, that he had to go so he could save lives. Folks, it was his third trip over. He didn't have to do it because it was his third trip over. That is what our people do best: Die for what they believe in.
I have had a student of mine killed in Iraq, and countless upon countless students and friends have gone over and come back less than whole. My heart of hearts has a hole in it that will never heal, so how must his family feel? Have they gotten anything except a flag? Yes, they have a son whom they will always cherish because he chose to do the right thing. Have you tried to comfort any family who has had a loved one killed? It will be the longest period of time in your life because you can't bring him or her back!
Now in closing, let's put the full deck on the table! In our society, these men would have been justly tried for murder. Wake up, folks. It is not our society! It is a country that has vicious, wicked, cold-hearted killers. These Marines were led by officers and NCOs who believe that their God-given duty is to protect one another. Do we know what these Iraq men and women were doing in hostile territory? Were they the ones who, for whatever reasons, were harboring the enemy and killing our Marines?
Do you know what the thousand-yard stare is? It is the stare you get when enough of your friends and buddies have died in your arms and you don't really care who dies next on the side of the enemy. All you want to do is survive and protect your buddies so you can have a part of "The Apple Pie Life."
If we have to bring to court Marines who have killed innocent civilians, then we are in the wrong ball game, so let's get out of Dodge. The second order of business is to fire our senators and congressmen for doing what we asked them to do.
For those of you who think this letter is a bit harsh, there are two things you need to do. One is to visit a veterans hospital to see the horrible shape they will spend the rest of their lives in. Two, you should visit the wives, parents and children of those men and women who have been killed in action. Still not with me? Then send your child and have them die on the altar of freedom and see if you worry about who is in an enemy combat zone or a free-fire zone. Every real combat veteran has enough punishment because he has had to fight in a war that he will relive in his dreams the rest of his life. He will see faces, hear the shots, hear the screams for help, and if a person is killed in his sights, then only going to heaven will erase that. What more can you ask or expect?
If this article has stirred you in any way, I encourage you to write the president and the commandant of the Marine Corps and anyone in between and "raise hell."
Tim Croswell
Philadelphia
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Ifin U have not BTDT don't tried to put my combat boots on, BRO, for they shall swallow, chew u up and spit u rite back out.
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Has Mr Benson you been in real combat? The kinda combat where your underwear is soiled from fright, held your friend in your arms as he lies dying, have you saved your platoon from being wiped out? Have you gave your friend his last salute as he or she is lowered in the FINAL DUTY STATION (grave). Then try to figure watt went wrong for the rest of your life.
Wake up in the middle of the night, screaming your head because you are still fighting that GD firefight over and over in your head and SOUL, I have it is not fun STEVE.
I would like to see you go to a Military Funeral and report of watt you felt, go to IRAQ and get shot day after day, go the VA hospital to see and talk to the HEROES there. I guess NOT, Mr. Benson
Ben Weihrich
USMC '69- '79
SEMPER FI
fontman
06-13-06, 08:47 AM
As a follow on, here is an e-mail address for the "Cartoon" dude! For any who would like to let Matt know how much you appreciate his character, his email addy is below.
Try to control your anger, be professional, be Marines! By the way the file name he kept it under is usmcSmear.jpg.
The dude's email addy is Matt.Benson@arizonarepublic.com
Ironrider
06-13-06, 09:44 AM
Thanks Brother...I WILL try and control myself....
Jim
Las Vegas:mad:
Ironrider
06-13-06, 10:17 AM
Mr. Benson..While I realize, you do have Freedom of Speech, your "artwork"?, crosses the boundry into slander, possibly libel. You have fallen, into the same pit, as many of your media cohorts. You have jugded these Marines, before all the facts have been presented.
This..representation, is a cruel and an offensive, slam to the valiant men and women, who have fought to give you the ability to ink such a malodorous piece of work. This symbol, this emblem, represents a mutitiude of people, who stood up and said "Yes, I will fight for my nation." Some survived, some did not.
Sgt Earl Irvin, USMC WW II, survived...his brother did not. His remains are still aboard USS Arizona.
Corporal Steve Crowley...killed in action, United States Embassy, Islamabad, 1979
Sergeant Joe Suarez, killed in action, Honduras, 1984
Sergeant-Major Brad Kasal, awarded the Navy Cross for actions in Fallujah Iraq
Sergeant Jerimiah Workman, awarded the Navy Cross, Fallujah Iraq
Capt. Brian R. Chontosh , awarded the Navy Cross, Highway #1, Iraq
Your freedom, to draw such a travesty, was defended and won, by such men as you have slandered.
Mr.Benson, if you have the courage and I rather doubt you do. You seem to hide, safe from the action,and judge better men than you. I suggest you make a trip to Iraq, and meet these Marines that you demean so much. You'll find that they're not so much different than you.
Well,,,Maybe they are different from you...They ARE United States Marines..and that makes all the difference in the world.
James Todd
Las Vegas Nevada
United States Marine Corps
:iwo:
horselady
06-13-06, 10:18 AM
I wonder if this saying was intended to include guys like Benson? :mad:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/timedjumpoff/BS294.jpg
Thanks for the address, font. A professional, but not very P.C. e-mail has been sent. :mad:
aaron1965
06-13-06, 12:15 PM
Needless to say, I will be sending that Ja@#$ss an e-mail. I am also going to urge everyone I know to do the same. And the liberals are complaining about Ann Coulter...
semperfiman
06-16-06, 11:50 PM
a one word reply is all he is worth A H
jennifer
06-17-06, 04:00 AM
Very well put IronRider. Some of these people that keep making cartoons or writing all this stuff really need to take a trip out to Iraq, and I don't mean where the Airwing lies but to the frontlines where the grunts are. Afterall, that's who they keep referring too yet it comes down to the point where it hurts all the MARINES and makes all of us look bad.