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thedrifter
05-20-06, 10:23 AM
The World's Worst Beers [Top 50 List]
RateBeer.com ^ | 5/20/2006 | Staff

Below is a list of worst beers in the world as rated by the thousands of beer enthusiasts at RateBeer.com. Dare to try them? We don't advise it. We provide this list in the name of beer education. We aren't picking on the fat kid as much as we're making a few big brewers accountable for their products that are more about beer hype and marketing than substance. Rank Beer Brewer Score Ratings Style

1 Busch NA Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.88 74 Low Alcohol

2 Steelback Tango Steelback Brewery 0.93 39 Pale Lager

3 Black Label 11-11 Malt Liquor Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 0.93 16 Malt Liquor

4 Sleeman Clear Sleeman Brewing & Malting Co. 0.95 78 Pale Lager

5 Steelback Silver Steelback Brewery 0.95 30 Pale Lager

6 Michelob Ultra Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.98 558 Pale Lager

7 ODouls Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.98 228 Low Alcohol

8 B-40 Bull Max Sleeman Brewing & Malting Co. 0.98 21 Malt Liquor

9 Coors Non-Alcoholic Coors Brewing Company (MolsonCoors) 0.99 59 Low Alcohol

10 Olde English 800 3.2 Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 0.99 17 Malt Liquor

11 Pabst NA Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1 21 Low Alcohol

12 PC 2.5 g Low Carb Brick Brewing Company 1.03 13 Pale Lager

13 Natural Light Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.05 601 Pale Lager

14 Tuborg T-Beer Carlsberg Brewery 1.05 37 Pale Lager

15 Steelback Link Steelback Brewery 1.05 23 Pale Lager

16 Jacob Best Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.05 22 Pale Lager

17 Natural Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.06 417 Pale Lager

18 Camo Silver Ice High Gravity Lager City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.06 51 Malt Liquor

19 Gluek Stite Light Gluek Brewing Company 1.06 34 Pale Lager

20 Miller Sharps Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.07 100 Low Alcohol

21 Camo Genuine Ale City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.07 32 Malt Liquor

22 Coors Aspen Edge Coors Brewing Company (MolsonCoors) 1.09 164 Pale Lager

23 Diamond White Cider Matthew Clark Cider 1.09 26 Cider

24 Molson Ex Light Molson Breweries (MolsonCoors) 1.09 14 Pale Lager

25 Hurricane Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.09 10 Malt Liquor

26 Hurricane High Gravity Lager Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.1 57 Malt Liquor

27 Labatt Sterling Labatt Breweries (InBev) 1.1 48 Pale Lager

28 Milwaukees Best Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.11 497 Pale Lager

29 Tuborg T-Beer Citrus Carlsberg Brewery 1.13 25 Fruit Beer

30 General Generic Beer Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.13 13 Pale Lager

31 Outback Chilli Beer Outback Brewery Pty Ltd 1.13 11 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

32 Busch Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.14 54 Pale Lager

33 Molson Kick Molson Breweries (MolsonCoors) 1.14 47 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

34 Blue Ice Beer San Miguel Brewery (Hong Kong) 1.14 18 European Strong Lager

35 Cave Creek Chili Beer Black Mountain Brewing Co. 1.15 319 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

36 Tuborg Super Light Carlsberg Brewery 1.15 27 Low Alcohol

37 Tooheys Blue Bitter Tooheys (Lion Nathan Co.) 1.15 26 Low Alcohol

38 Pabst Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.15 25 Pale Lager

39 Fosters Light Fosters Brewing (CUB) 1.15 14 Low Alcohol

40 Hek Original Lager Blonde Beer (Blue label) Brasserie Bowes 1.15 11 Pale Lager

41 Old Milwaukee Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.16 66 Pale Lager

42 Fosters Ice Fosters Brewing (CUB) 1.16 37 Pale Lager

43 Lucky Lager Force 10 Labatt Breweries (InBev) 1.16 13 Malt Liquor

44 Zhujiang 10° Zhujiang Brewery (InBev) 1.16 13 Pale Lager

45 Bootie Light City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.17 18 Pale Lager

46 Schlitz Red Bull Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.18 68 Malt Liquor

47 Archa Thai Beverages 1.18 10 Pale Lager

48 Bud Light Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.19 1173 Pale Lager

49 Matt Accel Matt Brewing Company 1.19 28 Pale Lager

50 Genesee NA High Falls Brewing Company 1.19 12 Low Alcohol

Maybe You have more to add.... ;)

Ellie

spike7451
05-20-06, 12:42 PM
From over here in good 'ol Northern Ireland,I give you......

HARP!!:sick: (Or Harp-ic,A well known brand of toilet cleaner!!0
Even the TOUGHTEST Marine would balk at this stuff!!
It's as tasteless as a lager can get!Basically,it taste's like ****e!!!

John Mayotte
05-20-06, 02:03 PM
Big Bass Ale...Brewed in Michigan :thumbdown

spike7451
05-20-06, 04:37 PM
Big Bass Ale...Brewed in Michigan :thumbdown

We get Bass Ale over here & it's very good! Mind you,I do like the beer's we get over here from so called 'Mocro-Breweries'.Very nice & VERY potent!!
CHEERS!!!

lucien2
05-23-06, 12:27 PM
Budlight's new formula sucks hard.

SemperFin
06-09-06, 01:59 PM
How many of you remember San Miguel's from Olongopo? Now that was some seriously nasty crap!

jryanjack
06-09-06, 02:14 PM
Personally I've never met a beer that I did not like.

Used tp love San Miguel Super Dry - San Miguel only if were ice cold. But then again after the first 6 go down, they're all good!

Camper51
06-09-06, 02:20 PM
Didja notice that almost every one of those beers are AMERICAN beers and most are from the major brewers. Doesn't that tell ya something????

kentmitchell
06-19-06, 06:50 PM
It's obvious they never had Lucky Lager. There were nights on Okinawa in the '50s when it sold for a nickel a can at the EM club. Get smashed on 50 cents.

Marine0313
06-19-06, 07:35 PM
If its free its good BEER :beer:

Old Marine
06-19-06, 07:38 PM
Primo from Hawaii is pretty bad.

Fallstaff was terrible.

Foster's is bad.

The best beer ther is has to be Home Brew.

8th&I Marine
06-19-06, 07:54 PM
What about lone star that stuff is pretty nasty:sick: :sick:

jennifer
06-19-06, 08:27 PM
EWWW, I have tried some of those beers that the Drifter mentioned. Gross, but hey it was free!! :D

8th&I Marine
06-19-06, 08:31 PM
But I do agree the best beer is free beer:)

jennifer
06-19-06, 08:44 PM
Wooooooooooooord!!

chafas2531
06-20-06, 11:44 AM
Attention on deck! What about San Miguel? Straight from P.I. and not the imported stuff.
SEMPER FIDELIS!
"The older I get the better I was!"
ben

Osotogary
06-20-06, 12:05 PM
chafas2531-
The San Miguel I have had lately has tasted pretty nasty, not like it did during the 60's. There was a Puerto Rican beer (with a name something like Indio) that could have passed for gargle water and it had a bad after taste as well. I wish I could remember the correct name but maybe it is better that I cannot. LOL.
What about Kirin Beer being brewed in the U.S. and Foster's being brewed in Canada? Somehow when another brewing complex takes over the brewing process, even under "strict supervision", the beer never tastes quite the same. I liked Kirin when it was brewed in Japan and Foster's when it was brewed in Australia.

Ed Palmer
06-20-06, 12:09 PM
It s in the water

airframesguru
06-20-06, 12:23 PM
San Miguel is the best!

Olympia is total S&^%. Should be # 1 on the list

btwils
06-20-06, 01:38 PM
I tried a generic beer before came in a white can with BEER wrote on it poured it out.:thumbdown Tiger beer was also bad we got it in Malaysia I still drank it thought it was all we had.:beer: The in the PI was o.k. depends if the bottle on if the bottle was washed. AM Track Bar PI. Any one every play smiles :D

chafas2531
06-20-06, 04:10 PM
I stand corrected! I read "best beer." Just goes to show you that the eyes are the first thing to go... "The older I get the better I was!" Airframe, you are right on, San Miguel is good even hot! Anyone remember Orion beer from the Rock? Yuk!
SEMPER FIDELIS!
ben

FISTFU68
06-20-06, 04:26 PM
:beer: WORST~CORONNA~SP? HAD THE SQUIRT'S,SINCE T.J~C/O CLUB CHICAGO,THE 'HO WAS TIGHT!!!:D

d c taveapont
06-23-06, 06:01 PM
What? NO No.33....or Atlas fron panama....

Froc2531
07-22-06, 11:05 AM
AND WHO EVER SAID FAT TIRE WAS A PRIZE?

The World's Worst Beers [Top 50 List]
RateBeer.com ^ | 5/20/2006 | Staff

Below is a list of worst beers in the world as rated by the thousands of beer enthusiasts at RateBeer.com. Dare to try them? We don't advise it. We provide this list in the name of beer education. We aren't picking on the fat kid as much as we're making a few big brewers accountable for their products that are more about beer hype and marketing than substance. Rank Beer Brewer Score Ratings Style

1 Busch NA Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.88 74 Low Alcohol

2 Steelback Tango Steelback Brewery 0.93 39 Pale Lager

3 Black Label 11-11 Malt Liquor Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 0.93 16 Malt Liquor

4 Sleeman Clear Sleeman Brewing & Malting Co. 0.95 78 Pale Lager

5 Steelback Silver Steelback Brewery 0.95 30 Pale Lager

6 Michelob Ultra Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.98 558 Pale Lager

7 ODouls Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 0.98 228 Low Alcohol

8 B-40 Bull Max Sleeman Brewing & Malting Co. 0.98 21 Malt Liquor

9 Coors Non-Alcoholic Coors Brewing Company (MolsonCoors) 0.99 59 Low Alcohol

10 Olde English 800 3.2 Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 0.99 17 Malt Liquor

11 Pabst NA Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1 21 Low Alcohol

12 PC 2.5 g Low Carb Brick Brewing Company 1.03 13 Pale Lager

13 Natural Light Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.05 601 Pale Lager

14 Tuborg T-Beer Carlsberg Brewery 1.05 37 Pale Lager

15 Steelback Link Steelback Brewery 1.05 23 Pale Lager

16 Jacob Best Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.05 22 Pale Lager

17 Natural Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.06 417 Pale Lager

18 Camo Silver Ice High Gravity Lager City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.06 51 Malt Liquor

19 Gluek Stite Light Gluek Brewing Company 1.06 34 Pale Lager

20 Miller Sharps Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.07 100 Low Alcohol

21 Camo Genuine Ale City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.07 32 Malt Liquor

22 Coors Aspen Edge Coors Brewing Company (MolsonCoors) 1.09 164 Pale Lager

23 Diamond White Cider Matthew Clark Cider 1.09 26 Cider

24 Molson Ex Light Molson Breweries (MolsonCoors) 1.09 14 Pale Lager

25 Hurricane Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.09 10 Malt Liquor

26 Hurricane High Gravity Lager Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.1 57 Malt Liquor

27 Labatt Sterling Labatt Breweries (InBev) 1.1 48 Pale Lager

28 Milwaukees Best Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.11 497 Pale Lager

29 Tuborg T-Beer Citrus Carlsberg Brewery 1.13 25 Fruit Beer

30 General Generic Beer Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.13 13 Pale Lager

31 Outback Chilli Beer Outback Brewery Pty Ltd 1.13 11 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

32 Busch Ice Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.14 54 Pale Lager

33 Molson Kick Molson Breweries (MolsonCoors) 1.14 47 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

34 Blue Ice Beer San Miguel Brewery (Hong Kong) 1.14 18 European Strong Lager

35 Cave Creek Chili Beer Black Mountain Brewing Co. 1.15 319 Spice/Herb/Vegetable

36 Tuborg Super Light Carlsberg Brewery 1.15 27 Low Alcohol

37 Tooheys Blue Bitter Tooheys (Lion Nathan Co.) 1.15 26 Low Alcohol

38 Pabst Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.15 25 Pale Lager

39 Fosters Light Fosters Brewing (CUB) 1.15 14 Low Alcohol

40 Hek Original Lager Blonde Beer (Blue label) Brasserie Bowes 1.15 11 Pale Lager

41 Old Milwaukee Ice Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.16 66 Pale Lager

42 Fosters Ice Fosters Brewing (CUB) 1.16 37 Pale Lager

43 Lucky Lager Force 10 Labatt Breweries (InBev) 1.16 13 Malt Liquor

44 Zhujiang 10° Zhujiang Brewery (InBev) 1.16 13 Pale Lager

45 Bootie Light City Brewery (Melanie Brewing Co) 1.17 18 Pale Lager

46 Schlitz Red Bull Miller Brewing Company (SABMiller) 1.18 68 Malt Liquor

47 Archa Thai Beverages 1.18 10 Pale Lager

48 Bud Light Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. 1.19 1173 Pale Lager

49 Matt Accel Matt Brewing Company 1.19 28 Pale Lager

50 Genesee NA High Falls Brewing Company 1.19 12 Low Alcohol

Maybe You have more to add.... ;)

Ellie

Zulu 36
07-22-06, 12:06 PM
They forgot to add that nasty Egyptian beer, Stella. What rotgut that was. But, when there is no other .....

Froc2531
07-22-06, 02:54 PM
Here is some rounchy beer off the top of my head...
Utica Club
Salva Vida from Honduras
Tsingtao from China
Budweiser in a can or all others in a can for that matter

Froc2531
07-22-06, 02:55 PM
I forgot to mention...

RED HORSE. Puking seems to be the center of my memories thinking about that beer from the P.I.

rb1651
07-22-06, 08:54 PM
Dang Froc, you had to bring that whale p*** Red Horse up, didn't ya? :sick: Worst stuff I ever drank, and since I only drink beer (no "hard stuff"), I will testify to that.

Ski Daddy
07-22-06, 09:22 PM
I dunno...after 4 or 5 they all tasted good to me:beer:

Froc2531
07-23-06, 12:40 PM
In Panama, Cerveza Atlas is very good. I like it better than Cerveza Panama. They also have a BALBOA beer. But Atlas is actually their version of KING OF BEERS as Budweiser is here in USA. Atlas is their most popular.:thumbup:


What? NO No.33....or Atlas fron panama....

Froc2531
07-23-06, 12:42 PM
Sure do. I also had some OB beer in Korea. I first tried ORION in NAHA up in that sphere or space needle restaurant that circled around and you could see the whole city.

I stand corrected! I read "best beer." Just goes to show you that the eyes are the first thing to go... "The older I get the better I was!" Airframe, you are right on, San Miguel is good even hot! Anyone remember Orion beer from the Rock? Yuk!
SEMPER FIDELIS!
ben

recon532002
07-23-06, 07:53 PM
How about Billy Beer

FISTFU68
07-23-06, 08:09 PM
:beer: ANTHING THE J~ville,HOSEBAG IS DRINKING :sick: (LONG LIVE FORCE)

dingman
07-23-06, 08:50 PM
Got some in the fridge for years now, just cant seem to let it go

jbrocatomarine
08-09-06, 09:30 PM
I'm glad I stopped drinking,I can remember all too well most of them,and some were real bad but like you said,it ain't so bad if it's free...Semper Fi

Arlene Horton
08-09-06, 09:46 PM
:beer: Even though I''m a "native Milwaukean" whenever I was drinking away from Milwaukee I wouldn't drink Schlitz. When I did drink the stuff I had the worst hangover headache I ever experienced. Given a choice I usually ordered Budweiser.:yes:

marinegreen
08-09-06, 11:11 PM
:beer: Even though I''m a "native Milwaukean" whenever I was drinking away from Milwaukee I wouldn't drink Schlitz. When I did drink the stuff I had the worst hangover headache I ever experienced. Given a choice I usually ordered Budweiser.:yes:



Boy you arent kidding there MRS. H.,that for some reason was thee worst hangover,then came PBR. Do miss the good ole lawnmowen beer though,the Hamm's beer, do you remember the bear on that can(blu & white can)SF
MG:D

Gary
08-10-06, 02:45 PM
Got to be the worst beer ever made :sick: next in line would be Coor's Light otherwise known as Colorado **** water. ;)

bigalholmes165
06-05-08, 04:33 AM
Best, IMHO, Pearl, Tsingtao & Yuenling(sp) work for me, OR, whatever Jack, FISTFU68, has that is free.

PBR, in the RVN, was good to go!!

jrhd97
06-05-08, 05:31 AM
Orion wasn't as bad as the nasties on that list. How did Iron City or Rolling Rock not make it? That stuff is horrible.

Bulkyker
06-05-08, 05:45 AM
Pearl from OK has to be just second in line behind milwaukees beast as about the knarliest beer known to man. I actually liked Harp beer. OB in Korea was about 10% alcohol and 10% fermaldehyde. Get drunk and pickled at the same time. Stuck to the American beers in Oki but even they tasted a little off. I learned later that they are double pasturized for export and then shipped on cargo containers overseas which might take months. Anyone remember those coors cans with the two buttons on top .... you pushed them both and the big one was to drink out of and the little one was to let air in the can.... talk about shotgunning a beer ;)

jrhd97
06-05-08, 05:48 AM
I don't remember a two holed Coors can, but I do miss the beer vending machine in the common areas.

DWG
06-05-08, 06:33 AM
OP beer is the favorite of most! (OP=other peoples'=free))

sparkie
06-05-08, 06:40 AM
Hey, Mabel,,,,,, Black Label.

Gary Hall
06-05-08, 08:52 AM
Miss Ellie, thank you for asking. I'm delighted, folks mostly tell me to just shut up & go away, quietly. Anyway, I guess this thread means my earlier beer (personal) choice, being real Horse ****, still has some advocates. I've got it straight from my Veterinarian brother that Horse **** is not the worst refreshment available, as this credible list aptly proves. I'm also thankful some beers of my youth are also not on the "worst" list: Southern Select, Lone Star, Dixie and Falstaff. Kindest regards, Gary Hall. This Post improves my day. I couldn't find the Smilies, what happened?

DWG
06-05-08, 08:55 AM
Damn Gary, you have to be darn near dead old to remember Falstaff! I still remember the big billboards with King Falstaff and a big mug 'o brew up in Missouri!

Robert Browell
06-05-08, 09:08 AM
Let us not forget the infamous "Billy Beer"! Absolutely disgusting!

sscjoe
06-05-08, 10:05 AM
Carling Black Label and Knickerbauker

ecfree
06-05-08, 04:11 PM
San Miguel,or san McGoo was pretty good when washing down the monkey meat on a stick.:beer:

pablox1139
06-05-08, 04:49 PM
How bout that genaric beer that they sold at the supermarket "BEER".....might as well drink ****..

SlingerDun
06-05-08, 05:30 PM
How did Iron City or Rolling Rock not make it? That stuff is horrible.Ick! with a Corona. Cool marketing for the Cabo and Cancun beach blanket Coppertone crew, bland product. Folks buying a lime to go with a six pack to make it tolerable wtf? Heard tell the brewery esse's christen every silo of swill headed for the states with a urination ceremony, thats just what i heard :beer: A double blind taste test comparing Corona, Iron City, Rolling Rock and Chilled Faggot Pee would likely reveal that life blows.

aaahhhh San Miguel. Pride of the P.I. There's something about ingesting iron oxide that tends to inside out the human gutbag :sick: and thats what usually happened if you drank enough St. Mike's without wiping rust off the bottle top

bgates73
06-05-08, 09:15 PM
Berliner Beer Berlin Germany Cold or hot that stuff was nasty :sick:

sgtjimh
06-09-08, 07:22 PM
How about Ballentines ale from the px at Lejune. They left it outside on pallets and no one would even steal it. Tasted the same hot or cold, NASTY

Semper Fi

bgates73
06-09-08, 08:24 PM
I have drunk Ballentines, but to those marines station in Hawaii back in the seventies how about that local beer they use to make call Primo. Brewery went out of business when the horse died.

jerryd6818
06-20-08, 12:01 PM
The absolute worst ever was Fox Deluxe. Took almost a year to pawn off the remaining five out of that six pack.

National Bohemion - All we had on Operation Steel Pike.
Ashai - It's to embarrasing to relate the results of that night.
Stella Artois - One of the few times in my life I poured beer out without finishing it.
Sterling - My humblest apologies to my home town, Evansville Indiana
Hamms - You know what the bears do in the water up there.
Dixie - There must be someone that likes this. They're still in business.
Steel Reserve - Had a hard time getting rid of that twelve pack.
Budmilloors Combination of the names Budweiser, Miller Brewing and Coors. Use this term to describe any beer that you do not particularly like.

The Few. The Proud.
Jerry D.

Chumley
06-20-08, 12:18 PM
Boy you arent kidding there MRS. H.,that for some reason was thee worst hangover,then came PBR. Do miss the good ole lawnmowen beer though,the Hamm's beer, do you remember the bear on that can(blu & white can)SF
MG:D


HAMMS - One night in the barracks, about two days 'til payday, we scrapped together about $5 for beer and went off to the package store to get the most for our money....There, in the bottom of the reefer, was a small stack of dusty HAMMS cases - it was like $2.79 a case ( that INCLUDED the deposit, and this was in 1992 - I ain't talking 1950 $$$ values ).

The next day felt more like we had done something we weren't supposed to....it was just AWFUL. Consuming it was an insult to every other beer ever.

FISTFU68
06-20-08, 12:18 PM
:evilgrin: HOW ABOUT THOSE LAST TWO CAN'S OF MILWAUKEE'S BEST,THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER THE FRONT SEAT OF MY VEHICLE FOR A WEEK OR SO.KINDA WARM BUT THEY ARE FREE,FOR 'YA BIG AL;THEY WERE 4 YOU'R BIRTHDAY BRO.I CHUGGED THE OTHER 4 WHEN YOU DIDN'T SHOW(LOL)THEY WERE VERY NASTY LIKE MY WOMEN !!!:D:iwo:

ecfree
06-20-08, 04:12 PM
Some of the WORST,Piels,Shaffer,Kinckerbaker(sp.)Shmidts,and Rheingold.....:sick:

hrscowboy
06-20-08, 06:05 PM
does anyone remember that shaffer beer they served at the EM club.. gawd talk about rot gut

ecfree
06-20-08, 08:21 PM
does anyone remember that shaffer beer they served at the EM club.. gawd talk about rot gut
Hey Tom,what EM club ?
If I remember,at Lejeune we had Ballintine beer,Hamms,Shaffer and some kind of malt liquer crap.
I recall trying to make pyramids with the cans on our table,and other Marines were throwing emptys to knock them down,yelling incomeing...
What brawls were started like that.......:D

hrscowboy
06-20-08, 09:12 PM
Yelp thats the one indeed that Ballintine and shaffer gawd almost wanted a man to stop drinking.

RichLundeen
07-02-08, 05:41 AM
#9 Coors Non-Alcoholic Coors Brewing Company (MolsonCoors) 0.99 59 Low Alcohol?

It's only NINTH on the list? Holy crap, I had ONE the other night here. AND I'm from Colorado.No, I don't like 'normal' Coors either. But even in Iraq, this is the worst I've tasted, ever.