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cadetat6
04-18-06, 02:01 PM
Maj. Gen. John Riggs
Marine Gen Antghony Zinni
Maj Gen. Charles Swannack
Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton
Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold
Mag. Gen. John Batiste

MillRatUSMC
04-18-06, 03:01 PM
WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT?
Some of these men are Marine Officers and the rest must be Army Officers.
Regardless if they had combat experience or if they did not.
You have no right addressing these men as being Chicken.
They have spoken their collected minds, a right guaranteed under the Constitution, which they have to re-affirm on every promotion.
I may be wrong, you also have a right under that Constitution, but I too have a right to call you on what you posted.
My Core Values call me to do what right...

cadetat6
04-18-06, 03:56 PM
Ricardo,
I was referring to when they were in uniform and things were so bad, why didn't they speak then. That would have carried a lot of weight.
WHAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT! 1943-1946 Philippine Island & Taegu, Korea and brother-in-law Marine Officer WW2 Bougainville, younger brother 19 wounded in Bastogne and K.I.A. crossing the Rhine River.

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dcgreer
04-18-06, 04:02 PM
Ricardo,
I was referring to when they were in uniform and things were so bad, why didn't they speak then. That would have carried a lot of weight.
WHAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT! 1943-1946 Philippine Island & Taegu, Korea and brother-in-law Marine Officer WW2 Bougainville, younger brother 19 wounded in Bastogne and K.I.A. crossing the Rhine River.

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If they spoke out when they were in uniform after the SecDef and the President made a command decision they would have been insubordinate and could have been relieved of command. I wonder how many of us, if in similar situations would have spoken up. Personally, I'm beginning to wonder about the so-called civilian control of the military.

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MillRatUSMC
04-18-06, 04:31 PM
cadetat6, than I have to extend my apologies, I only saw the word chicken and that got me to think of the below;

Andreia
Definition:
Andreia is the ancient Greek word for manliness
and represented the virtue of the warrior
-- bravery or courage.

That military service is one good way to demonstrate the virtues,Of courage and commitment to the public good.

Physical courage is also sometimes thought to be a sign of, or an aid to, moral courage.

The political damage done by lack of demonstrated personal courage,
Is particularly grave when someone now holding a hawkish position,
Who previously chose not to fight when many others were fighting.

Logically, of course, deciding not to serve in a conflict,
which one opposes on political or moral grounds,
Casts less of a shadow on one’s personal courage,
Than deciding not to serve in a conflict one supports,
So it's much more legitimate to challenge the andreia,
Of those who supported the War in Vietnam,
But, in Dick Cheney's lovely phrase,
He had "other priorities" at the time.

I saw what you posted as an extention of those challenging these men because they have spoken out on the war in Iraq.
It's not popular at the moment, but they must be weighing the deaths in Iraq.
While they were in command.
Some served before as is the case with General Anthony Zinni USMC.
But he has never waivered from his position against this war in Iraq.
That might not be the case with all those other Officers.
But still they have to re-affirm their oath to the Constitution...

cadetat6
04-18-06, 07:05 PM
Altoona ,Pa.
I was born in Butler, Pa. Home of the first army JEEP.
Six months As air cadet in Gettysburg ,Pa.

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