New Army Bootcamp-Kinder and Gentler

[USMCgrunt0331]

Go to foxnews.com and check out the video clip they have about the new kinder and gentler bootcamp. The recruits are guaranteed 8 hrs sleep a night, all you can eat at the chow hall, they can use cell phones to call home or their girlfriends during their 9 weeks there, and they have decided to eliminate almost all of the yelling in their basic traning. The Command SgtMaj their (a woman) said this is the way things need to be for the modern day army, and basically that this helps with recruiting more people and cuts down on the failure rate in bootcamp. Well no sh!t!! If you turn bootcamp into summer camp I guess that might would work, until all of them start dying in combat cause they didn't get the training they needed in basic. Unbelievable and pathetic is what this is. I know Marine Corps bootcamp has slowly been getting softer (or at least less physical) throughout the years, but I hope our Corps doesn't reach the level that the Army has stooped to. With everything that's going on right now, we're already fighting 1 war, with possibility of war in the next decade with other countries such as Iran, North Korea or others, training should be harder, and more rigorous and challenging and realistic than ever. If they can't make it thru the stress of bootcamp, how or they gonna make it in combat?

[Old Marine]

I didn't know the Army had a "Boot Camp".

[Future-USMC-LT]

It's called "Basic Combat Training". Whatever.

[Marine84]

I think they already have turned it into summer camp..............

[LivinSoFree]

If I ever get deployed with a unit composed of these types of "soldiers" I think I might just swallow my M16 first- save the Army the trouble of getting me whacked.

[Camper51]

:p I sure hope those guys/gals?? don't wind up trying to protect MY interests!!! I want someone properly trained, kind of like a MARINE!!!!!:evilgrin:

Semper Fi,

Carry on:flag:

[Lorix]

You all knew I was coming so don't act all surprised.... woman SgtMaj! You just had to put that word woman in there didn't you. I am a woman and if I was a SgtMaj, I would make boot camp a lot tougher than it is. I would make it near impossible to graduate, endurance course everyday! I would make the recruits suffer... but then again, that's probably why they would never put me in as a SgtMaj of the recruit depot, they need more Marines.
:-P

[hrscowboy]

PFC lorix are you saying that your time in bootcamp was a cake walk?? Or was it a walk in the park??

[Lorix]

My time was not no cake walk or walk in the park! It was just as hard if not harder than anyone else. I am mainly referring to how most of those who ship make it through, whether or not they really want the title. Some go to boot camp giving it all they got and make it in the end, others don't put out, cheese everything they do, bad mouth the Drill Instructors, etc, and wind up graduating anyway because the Corps needs more Marines to fill it's ranks. All I'm saying is boot camp has gotten a little soft on who it gives the title to, I feel it should be more challenging and the recruits should have the option to give up and go home at any point, therefore only the true Marines will make it through, but that's just my opinion.

[outlaw3179]

OH God please dont start this again............

[Lorix]

Lol, I'm not trying to start up anything, just finishing it.... but of course if someone doesn't agree and want to argue, I'm in! Get some action going on in this post... OORAH!

Any challengers?

[jgorosco]

Lorix you are speaking to Marines that have done their time in the Corps when things were alot simplier and harder. There was no PC on how to treat races or gender. What the proper terms for WMs should be or how they should be treated different. I think you wish you were brought up in the Corps when Boot Camp was getting your lights knocked out for laughing or responding improperly. I am sure you have it easy in the fleet right now compared to alot of the Old Corps Marines. I am speaking from knowledge from uncles and cousin who were in before me. I am dogged for having to go through an easier Boot camp in '91. So if you want a harder Boot Camp you might want to start with all the PC and special names for WMs.

[Phantom Blooper]

You just had to put that word woman in there didn't you.

There has been another ongoing discussion about this word in a thread all by itself. If I were a F----e I think I would personally prefer to be called a W---n given the below definitions. But if all else fails just say, Hey Marine! Better than getting kicked in the groin by a hard charging PMS'ing Marine.:devious:

Semper-Fi! "Never Forget" Chuck Hall :evilgrin:

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wom·an [ wmmən ] (plural wom·en [ wímmin ])


noun

Definitions:

1. female adult: an adult female human being


2. women as group: women collectively or in general


3. femininity: feminine qualities or feelings


4. domestic employee: a woman who is a domestic employee ( sometimes offensive )

5. wife or girlfriend: a wife, female lover, or girlfriend ( informal ) ( sometimes offensive )

[ Old English wimman, variant of wīfman, < wīf "woman, wife" + man "person"]


to a woman used to indicate that every one of a group of women does or thinks something, without any exceptions


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fe·male [ f màyl ]

adjective

Definitions:

1. of women: relating or belonging to women or girls


2. biology of the sex that produces offspring: relating or belonging to the sex that produces sex cells gametes that fuse with male sex cells during sexual reproduction


3. botany producing seeds: describes the part of a plant that produces the female sex cells, e.g. a carpel


4. botany having carpels: describes flowers that have carpels but no stamens


5. engineering made with recess: describes a component or part of a component such as an electric socket that has a recess designed to receive a corresponding projecting part


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noun (plural fe·males)

Definitions:

1. biology female organism: a female person or animal. Animal...Not bad sometimes.....

2. offensive term: an offensive term for a girl or woman


3. botany plant with female flowers: a plant that has only female flowers


[14th century. Alteration (after male) of Old French femelle < Latin femella < femina (see feminine)]


fe·male·nessn


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I Am Woman

Helen Reddy


I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back and pretend
'Cause I've heard it all before
And I've been down there on the floor
No one's ever gonna keep me down again



{Refrain}
Oh yes I am wise
But it's wisdom born of pain
Yes, I've paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong - strong
I am invincible - invincible
I am woman



You can bend but never break me
'Cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
'Cause you've deepened the conviction in my soul

{Refrain}

I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin' arms across the land
But I'm still an embryo
With a long long way to go
Until I make my brother understand

{Refrain}
...If I have to I can face anything...:banana:

[outlaw3179]

Lori your still sh*tting out 3rd phase chow. Maybe things have changed a bit but when I was in the fleet we would "discipline" Marines very differently with what you can get away with now. If I could I would have you run up Recon in green on green , flip flops and a gas mask and dig a fighting hole. Then that way you would be more inclined to not always talk sh*t to senior Marines but then youd probably yell hazing and then Id get in trouble. Talk about a double standard.

[Camper51]

...and all of this over an ARMY (the wussy fighters:sick: ) change in THEIR boot camp. I hope the MARINES never change the thought process of boot camp being where you take a raw, slimy civilian and apply the BASIC mold of MARINE to that mess and come up with all of US!!!!!!!!!!!!

ooorahhhh
Semper Fi

[Lorix]

I would never talk sh!t about senior Marines. I have heard boot camp was tougher back in the day, that's kind of how I think it should be today. Shame on those mothers of america, train them nice and soft so the enemy can stand a chance. Outlaw, you can run me anywhere in anything at anytime, I'm up for a little exercise!

[Shadowman777]

I am dogged for having to go through an easier Boot camp in '91. So if you want a harder Boot Camp you might want to start with all the PC and special names for WMs.

Huh - go figure ... we had "special names" for WM's at PI in '79.

None were very flattering though ... lol

:banana:

Steve

[SuNmAN]

You all knew I was coming so don't act all surprised.... woman SgtMaj! You just had to put that word woman in there didn't you. I am a woman and if I was a SgtMaj, I would make boot camp a lot tougher than it is. I would make it near impossible to graduate, endurance course everyday! I would make the recruits suffer... but then again, that's probably why they would never put me in as a SgtMaj of the recruit depot, they need more Marines.
:-P

I'm all for making boot camp tougher.

[Marine84]

Where was I when this one got started?

[Shadowman777]

Where was I when this one got started?

You were still wondering about those "special names" we had.

You know ... honeys ... sweethearts ... like that. And if ya wanna buy a bridge, I have one for sale!<GRIN>

Steve

[bigalholmes165]

.

Where was I when this one got started?
Fishing, and seeing if a PBR still floats.:banana:



But you gotta admit, you ARE a Woman, a BAM, from back in '84, and I am proud of your service and I call you my Sister.



I gotta question - if a boat is sinking, and the order is given, 'Women and Children Board the Life Boats First', when do the Females get to depart?

Makes you wonder as to how many Females will become Women REAL quick.


Just like the old saying, 'There are no atheists in a foxhole'. I'm not a preacher, don't attend church as regular as I should, but I can guarantee you, that were you to have hunched down in a foxhole in Vietnam, you did some serious praying.

.

[greensideout]

Some funny stuff written---"sh*ting third phase chow" was my favorite!---lol

Now back to the vanilla ice cream basic that the Army has. Do all of you know that they get a ribbon if they can make it? What a joke the Army basic training has become and now a woman wants to make it like a Cub Scout meeting. Wasn't it a women, (The Secretary of the Army under Clinton) that said that Marines were radical and no longer fit into today's sociaity?

[Lorix]

There we go with the women again. It shouldn't matter if it was a woman or a man, you know there are many males that have to agree with a decision like that to get it passed. I joined the Marines because I wanted it to be difficult, I wanted a challenge.

Well, the army was never really that good anyways, and now with all this Iraq stuff, they are loosing a lot of personnel, most people interested in the army is only after benefits such as college, medical and dental, etc. And thus they are afraid of pushing themselves, climbing ropes, and crawling through mud, they want the easy way, so maybe this will eliminate those fears and worries.... The Marines are about something more, we are about pushing ourselves and overcoming obstacles, and that appeals to those who are looking for a challenge, not those only interested in the benefits. In a way, this will increase the toughness of the Corps, when some army "soldier" is telling boot camp stories and complaining that his cell phone went dead for 2 whole weeks, or that he missed a concert or something in boot, they will be in awe at how tough the Marines really are.

They get a ribbon!?! Be all you can be.

[criggleman]

I don't have a problem with Women Marines, as far as I concerned they are the toughest on the planet, so LORIX, try not to take offense every time someone says WOMEN or WOMAN just be PROUD that you are one of them and let it be. It's Marine Corps tradition for women in the Marines to be called WM's, and who are we to mess with that.

[Lorix]

Times have changed, like i mentioned in some other post, if someone calls me a WM they will get kicked in the nutz, call me a woman Marine, but do not call me a WM.

Since I'm not standing in front of you, warming up my kick, I ask a favor.... would you mind punching yourself in the nutz for me, thx!

[Shadowman777]

Times have changed, like i mentioned in some other post, if someone calls me a WM they will get kicked in the nutz, call me a woman Marine, but do not call me a WM.

Now that makes absolutely *no* sense! A WM is a "Woman Marine."

Is this like a chick issue or something???

Steve

[Lorix]

Apparently you don't know the story behind it, and I hope you never do. Women Marines, not WM

[Shadowman777]

Apparently you don't know the story behind it, and I hope you never do. Women Marines, not WM

Maybe there is. Please enlighten us to this story! Is this something you learned in boot? So far as I know WM is the acronym for "Woman Marine."

[carroll1972]

Lorix.......your cool....

I dated a BAM......(big a-- marine).....and she was a WOMAN MARINE...AND I DO........... M A R I N E

You didn't call her a WM....either....or you 'd have jelly nutz for a while....

She was 5'2 128lbs...and all WOMAN......
and buddy......she could bend a 10 penny nail...with you know what.....

I have GREAT R E S P E C T
for any Woman Marine....

Carroll, Sgt.
Not so Lean ....but Still a Marine....
1972-1975

[criggleman]

Times have changed, like i mentioned in some other post, if someone calls me a WM they will get kicked in the nutz, call me a woman Marine, but do not call me a WM.

Since I'm not standing in front of you, warming up my kick, I ask a favor.... would you mind punching yourself in the nutz for me, thx!

You know you're right times have changed, but TRADITIONS don't, so just so we are clear I'm calling you a WM, I'm looking forward to that kick in the nutz, because they are cast iron balls. Don't hurt yourself. Semper Fi:usmc:

[Shadowman777]

Apparently you don't know the story behind it, and I hope you never do. Women Marines, not WM

I suspect your problem is with men in general. Under your bio you put:

Interests:
Kicking males in the nutz

I guess political correctness says that this is acceptible today. I wonder how acceptible it would be for me to have the following interest:

Interests:
Beating women

Call me crazy, but I am guessing this would not be acceptible. Am I wrong? Would you not be calling for my head on a platter if I had this interest???

[Old Marine]

Lorix:

Being a loudmouth BAM does not make you all bad, but you sure do have a lot to learn about the U.S. Marine Corps.

[SuNmAN]

Its a double standard...

just like on campus we have black fraternaties, black clubs and asian fraternaties asian clubs.

God forbid let there be a white fraternaty/sorority all hell will break loose.

[ariggleman]

I am a woman, I am interesed in joining the Marine Corps, and as soon as I graduate from PI, I would be PROUD to be called a WM.

:usmc:

[txrona]

Sure Marine boot camp is hard but I would rather have a Marine on my 6 than an army bratt that doesn`t give a s**t. I didn`t have any problems in boot camp. :evilgrin:

[Lorix]

I know someone mentioned this earlier, why must you refer to us as WM? This isn't the point I was getting at, but why not just Marine. That's what we all are, aren't we? Female Marines had to go through just as much if not more than male Marines, we got to climb up ropes, crawl through mud and under barb wire. Endure the Drill Instructor's wrath (and anyone that's come in contact with a female DI knows they are very harsh creatures). Get quarterdecked and pitted just like everyone else. So why must we be refered to as WM, everyone already knows I take offense to that, and very few know why (if you want to know, pm me, I will give you the story). So if we went through just as much as the males and walked across the parade deck like every other Marine, why not just refer to us as simply Marine?

[Shadowman777]

I know someone mentioned this earlier, why must you refer to us as WM? This isn't the point I was getting at, but why not just Marine. That's what we all are, aren't we? Female Marines had to go through just as much if not more than male Marines, we got to climb up ropes, crawl through mud and under barb wire. Endure the Drill Instructor's wrath (and anyone that's come in contact with a female DI knows they are very harsh creatures). Get quarterdecked and pitted just like everyone else. So why must we be refered to as WM, everyone already knows I take offense to that, and very few know why (if you want to know, pm me, I will give you the story). So if we went through just as much as the males and walked across the parade deck like every other Marine, why not just refer to us as simply Marine?

You are a WM because that's what you are. The Marine Corps is not going to change just because PFC Lorix is "offended."

I'm actually very surprised you made it out of boot camp with this "all about me" attitude of yours. This should have been drummed out of you in boot. Is this typical of WM's today? Please tell me it is not.

[Shadowman777]

I am a woman, I am interesed in joining the Marine Corps, and as soon as I graduate from PI, I would be PROUD to be called a WM.

:usmc:

That is a killer EGA in your bio Amy! I have never seen anything like that before. Awesome!

[criggleman]

You are a WM because that's what you are. The Marine Corps is not going to change just because PFC Lorix is "offended."

I'm actually very surprised you made it out of boot camp with this "all about me" attitude of yours. This should have been drummed out of you in boot. Is this typical of WM's today? Please tell me it is not.

Preach it Shadowman. Maybe one day she will come around.:evilgrin:

[ariggleman]

That is a killer EGA in your bio Amy! I have never seen anything like that before. Awesome!

Thanks so much Shadowman! When I found it I was like "Sweet!!!!" I really wanted to have it.
:usmc:

[Lorix]

You are a WM because that's what you are. The Marine Corps is not going to change just because PFC Lorix is "offended."

I'm actually very surprised you made it out of boot camp with this "all about me" attitude of yours. This should have been drummed out of you in boot. Is this typical of WM's today? Please tell me it is not.
I don't expect the Marine Corps to change anything, and I don't want them too. To the Marine Corps, WM stands for Women Marines, and I am fine with that. It's freaken nasty males that change the meaning and give us a bad name.

This isn't about me, this is about all female Marines, especially those good ones who work hard get somewhere in life.

[yellowwing]

The army has finally met their recruitment goals by lowering their target numbers and through this Kinder Gentler Basic Training.

Our Corps has no need for this nonsense. Just look at the poolee posts about getting DQ'd.

LORIX, I don't really know what you are talking about, but I'm glad you are standing toe-to-toe and slugging it out with the Bro's. Keep motivated!

[Shadowman777]

I don't expect the Marine Corps to change anything, and I don't want them too. To the Marine Corps, WM stands for Women Marines, and I am fine with that. It's freaken nasty males that change the meaning and give us a bad name.

This isn't about me, this is about all female Marines, especially those good ones who work hard get somewhere in life.

Again - so what? A couple guys change the meaning of WM, and now you are on a crusade to kick every man in the groin who uses the term WM? Isn't the Corps keeping you busy enough?

You don't represent "all female Marines" PFC. You are on a personal crusade for some kind of gender equality because you have a hatred of "males" - as you call us. And that's fine - knock yourself out. But you can check that crusade at the door. The Marine Corps did just fine before you joined, and it will be fine long after you leave.

[Lorix]

Let's just lay this issue to rest. I have presented my case and now I have sat down. I have listened to your side, your not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. This issues has far extended it's purpose. If you want to keep it going, I got more fighting power at the ready. But for now, I rest my case.

[Shadowman777]

Let's just lay this issue to rest. I have presented my case and now I have sat down. I have listened to your side, your not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours.

Agreed.

[Future-USMC-LT]

Good, now let us get back to saying how much of a load of crap Army BCT has become. Not just that, but the Army itself in general seems to have no discipline. Hell, just go to the PX at Fort Sam on Saturday or Sunday and just people watch. It's as if the Army has no standard for how to act and wear and not what to wear when out of uniform.

Second, why does it seem like the Marines have a monopoly on confidence?

[Future-USMC-LT]

Second, why does it seem like the Marines have a monopoly on confidence? Probably because we do. I swear, some of the soldiers I've seen act and walk like they don't have a single ounce of confidence, pride, or discipline in their damn bodies. You're wearing an American uniform for God's sake, be proud and confident, walk like you're going somewhere and time's a wasting. I guess it's just one of the things that sets us apart. Hell, ask your typical soldier what the Army birthdate is, chances are he probably doesn't know, while pretty much any Marine you ask does know the Marine birthdate.

[OLE SARG]

Does the Army Day Care have the "Time Out" cards in case they get stressed out???? WTF is that - IT IS CERTAINLY NOT BOOTCAMP OR ANYTHING LIKE IT! When I went through Boot Camp we got "Thumped" when we f@#$ed up and if that didn't work you got to have a session in the "Duty Hut"!!

SEMPER FI,
OLE SARG :flag:

[greensideout]

Let's just lay this issue to rest.


Your statement is not a Marine trait WM. If you're going to dance with the big dogs as you choose to do, rolling over and showing your belly won't bring you mercy. If you have something to say, sound off. If it's some kind of gibberish about your dislike for men, then save it for the powder room.
Or---you might just try getting along with Marines with nutz.

[Lorix]

I have said all I have to say. I have presented my view and supported it no matter what criticism I faced. I'm not looking for mercy, continuing a debate with only supported theory will weaken my argument. If I have something big and fresh I could continue, no problem. I'm smart enough to realize a hopeless case when I see one. I know where I stand and I know where others stand, I will not waiver in my theory and neither will my opponents. All that's left is a battle no one can win, why engage in it even longer? Eventually everyone will get bored of it and it will have no power, leave on a strong note and possibly boarderliners will consider what I have to stay. It is not a weak move by any means, but in fact a smart one.

I have put to the table my issues with WM, not the term women Marines. My issue is WM and only WM with the alternate meaning. I have stated my offense to that abreviation, and faced some challenging views. I have made my point clear and backed it up, there is not much left to bring forth, and neither has my opposition. If you can understand the term stop while you are ahead, you can understand my decision, I am not forfeiting anything, I am just trying to put an end to a useless arguement.

[greensideout]

Lorix, would you like to tell us what WM means TO YOU? I do not find WM to be a derogatory comment. You must live in your own world on that one.

[Future-USMC-LT]

Oh God, not again.:evilgrin:

[Lorix]

Lorix, would you like to tell us what WM means TO YOU? I do not find WM to be a derogatory comment. You must live in your own world on that one.
To me, I want it to mean women Marines, but I will not post the alternate meaning I have heard, for that, send me a private message and I will get back to you. But as far as this post goes, I will halt my arguement and agree to disagree. In a way, it seems to me some want a fight, but don't, make up your mind!

[greensideout]

Simple Lorix, I will not send a PM. You are the one defending your position---you send it.

[Future-USMC-LT]

Oh God, please not again.:evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[jinelson]

Chewbatki Im with brother you, so in accordance with existing laws and regulations of the of the US Department of Labors Occupational Safety and Health Agency (OSHA) I feel it my duty to inform any and all viewing this from their duly regulated workplace you are hereby warned by this caution:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/jinelson/CautionThread.jpg

[Camper51]

How has this discussion moved from comments about the wussy boot camp (ARMY) to a discussion of what to call certain MARINES???? Did I miss something here??? Please if you want to start another thread, please do so but lets stick with pickin on the wussies here!!!!!

Semper Fi

[Lorix]

wilco (will comply)

[hoytarcher45]

I'm wondering if Female Drill Instructors teach female recruits to have attitude towards male Marines. I know my Drill Instructors taught me to hate civilians, and I kind of had to come to my sences about this after boot camp.

[Marine84]

they didn't in 84 - my last bus ride with DIs, they predicted that 3/4 of us would be pregnant in the first year.

[Lorix]

They do have a problem with male Marines yes, but they don't teach us to hate and I don't hate male Marines. I just like picking fights with male Marines, hobby of mine, nothing personal. I enjoy a good arguement and a good fight.

My Drill Instructors didn't teach me to hate civilians, but treat them better than myself. Render proper courtesy and respect for civilians, and once out, doing so made me realize how much of a slob civilians really are, no respect for anyone or will to challenge themselves, livin the easy life.

[Shadowman777]

they didn't in 84 - my last bus ride with DIs, they predicted that 3/4 of us would be pregnant in the first year.

Ah, the good old days ... ;)

[sniper 217]

I think the Army Boot Camp is now a correspondence course. and you only have to get 70% tp pass.

[CplCrotty]

jgorosco hit the nail on the head by mentioning the effects of Political Correctness. The Army seems to continue to serve as the US government's political lab rat when it comes to "adjusting" to the political correctness BS that permeates everything we do and say. Meanwhile our enemies are laughing their heads off (when they're not blowing them off) and the Army divisions further down the training line take on the responsibility of instilling basic discipline in these new age "soldiers."

[csilva]

i guess the "soldiers" finally got tired of copying the Marine Corp. i still think training hard, and preparing for the worst saves lives.

[greensideout]

I was chating with a current MARINE PFC that expressed concerns about the pay being a little short to cover payments on things like cell phones, internet, car expenses and pizza deliveries to the room in the barracks---Hummm?

[MetalManiac]

Lori your still sh*tting out 3rd phase chow. Maybe things have changed a bit but when I was in the fleet we would "discipline" Marines very differently with what you can get away with now. If I could I would have you run up Recon in green on green , flip flops and a gas mask and dig a fighting hole. Then that way you would be more inclined to not always talk sh*t to senior Marines but then youd probably yell hazing and then Id get in trouble. Talk about a double standard.

ha ha ha ha ha hazing??? more like position imrovement! Boot Camp for me was tough I'll admit, got "whiskey lockered" a few times, back in good ole 1999. The only way I see it being tougher though is if DI's openly hit recruits, there were a few body slams and pushing, and of course some serious IT sessions where all the life was drained from me, bur that's about it. No complaints here, Im a better man for it.

[MetalManiac]

I suspect your problem is with men in general. Under your bio you put:

Interests:
Kicking males in the nutz

I guess political correctness says that this is acceptible today. I wonder how acceptible it would be for me to have the following interest:

Interests:
Beating women

Call me crazy, but I am guessing this would not be acceptible. Am I wrong? Would you not be calling for my head on a platter if I had this interest???

yeah wtf, Im going to go change my profile now...

[MetalManiac]

Its a double standard...

just like on campus we have black fraternaties, black clubs and asian fraternaties asian clubs.

God forbid let there be a white fraternaty/sorority all hell will break loose.

really??

interesting, and not in a good way at all

[MetalManiac]

Let's just lay this issue to rest. I have presented my case and now I have sat down. I have listened to your side, your not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. This issues has far extended it's purpose. If you want to keep it going, I got more fighting power at the ready. But for now, I rest my case.

What exactly was the arguement to begin with?

[MetalManiac]

Second, why does it seem like the Marines have a monopoly on confidence? Probably because we do. I swear, some of the soldiers I've seen act and walk like they don't have a single ounce of confidence, pride, or discipline in their damn bodies. You're wearing an American uniform for God's sake, be proud and confident, walk like you're going somewhere and time's a wasting. I guess it's just one of the things that sets us apart. Hell, ask your typical soldier what the Army birthdate is, chances are he probably doesn't know, while pretty much any Marine you ask does know the Marine birthdate.

well it had better be every ****** one of 'em! C'mon now!

"Back in 1775, my Marine Corps came alive...."

[MetalManiac]

I was chating with a current MARINE PFC that expressed concerns about the pay being a little short to cover payments on things like cell phones, internet, car expenses and pizza deliveries to the room in the barracks---Hummm?

give me a fuc*&#$ break, cry me a fuc*&#$ river.....

my first year in the fleet SUCKED! wall lockers with broken locks my roomate and I had to replace, ceremic tile deck that we had to strip and buff, long days and even longer nights when we went to the field. but...with time and rank come responsibility..and benifits. And I made it work and eventually had fun, typing these words now is a meritorious SSgt, who honestly earned every liberty granted. 0844 Field artillery BABY! (now 0848)

EDIT: And who can forget countless wall locker and JOB inspections! Although that sucked too, it taught an important lesson, attention to detail, a trait some Marines nowadays could use more of.

[greensideout]

give me a fuc*&#$ break, cry me a fuc*&#$ river.....

my first year in the fleet SUCKED! wall lockers with broken locks my roomate and I had to replace, ceremic tile deck that we had to strip and buff, long days and even longer nights when we went to the field. but...with time and rank come responsibility..and benifits. And I made it work and eventually had fun, typing these words now is a meritorious SSgt, who honestly earned every liberty granted. 0844 Field artillery BABY! (now 0848)

EDIT: And who can forget countless wall locker and JOB inspections! Although that sucked too, it taught an important lesson, attention to detail, a trait some Marines nowadays could use more of.


Roomate? Ceremic tile deck?---Sweet!

[MetalManiac]

I spent a good amount of time in squad bays too there salty

and the ceremic tile? in order to strip and wax it we had to take out everything from our room, put it in the hallway (before we stripped and waxed that of course), strip and wax our room, then put everything back

pain in the ass, builds character though

[greensideout]

I spent a good amount of time in squad bays too there salty

and the ceremic tile? in order to strip and wax it we had to take out everything from our room, put it in the hallway (before we stripped and waxed that of course), strip and wax our room, then put everything back

pain in the ass, builds character though


I know what it takes to do the strip and wax thing---own a cleaning company.
I'm just giving you a little rub about the hotel type living that the Corps has now. We had the huts, WW-II fireboxes and tents. I prefered the tents and got to live in them nearly two years.
I saw a clip on TV that showed the boot camp of today. I had to laugh!

[MetalManiac]

a hotel it was not, the barracks we were living in had been scheduled for demo for a long time, they just recently destroyed them. that place was falling apart when I got there

and boot camp isnt that easy now, I mean sure DI's used to hit recruits but what's the point of hitting someone who cant fight back? hitting someone doesnt build character, just hatred. My DI's were Gods, gave 100% every second of every day. They were in one word...relentless

[greensideout]

a hotel it was not, the barracks we were living in had been scheduled for demo for a long time, they just recently destroyed them. that place was falling apart when I got thereand boot camp isnt that easy now, I mean sure DI's used to hit recruits but what's the point of hitting someone who cant fight back? hitting someone doesnt build character, just hatred. My DI's were Gods, gave 100% every second of every day. They were in one word...relentless


Slow down SSGT, you are sounding like you alone "own" the meaning of "character" and no, we didn't leave MCRD "hateing" our Drill Instructors.

A lot of outstanding Marines on this site, something you may want to consider before sounding off with a statement like that.

Semper Fi

[MetalManiac]

Slow down SSGT, you are sounding like you alone "own" the meaning of "character" and no, we didn't leave MCRD "hateing" our Drill Instructors.

A lot of outstanding Marines on this site, something you may want to consider before sounding off with a statement like that.

Semper Fi

a statement like what? when did I say that I alone own the meaning of character? i just mentioned that hard work builds character, and that hitting recruits is pointless

EDIT: Calling you salty was supposed to be a compliment, and in no way am I arrempting to get into a ****ing contest, just telling it how it was when I was brought up in the fleet, I learned just as much from my Sgt's as I did from my DI's

Boot Camp continues in the fleet

[seabag]

My time was not no cake walk or walk in the park! It was just as hard if not harder than anyone else. I am mainly referring to how most of those who ship make it through, whether or not they really want the title. Some go to boot camp giving it all they got and make it in the end, others don't put out, cheese everything they do, bad mouth the Drill Instructors, etc, and wind up graduating anyway because the Corps needs more Marines to fill it's ranks. All I'm saying is boot camp has gotten a little soft on who it gives the title to, I feel it should be more challenging and the recruits should have the option to give up and go home at any point, therefore only the true Marines will make it through, but that's just my opinion.

Semper Fi Marine!
Your training was just as tough, physically, mentally, and demanding as Boot Camp is for male recruits.
I think with your attitude, you can achieve any goal you set.

I would not be afraid to catch some z's with you on watch.
I hope your parents are very proud of you.
I sure would be if you were my daughter!

:flag:

[sirmess1]

Army Tones Down Drill Sergeants

By PAULINE JELINEK
The Associated Press
Tuesday, October 10, 2006; 8:52 PM

WASHINGTON -- Hollywood may have to tone down its portrayal of the military's screaming, in-your-face boot camp drill sergeant. In today's Army, shouting is out and a calmer approach to molding young minds is in, says the head of Pentagon personnel. The Army says it has reduced by nearly 7 percent the number of recruits who wash out in the first six to 12 months of military life.

"Part of it is changing the nature of how it treats people in basic training," David S. Chu, undersecretary for personnel and readiness, said Tuesday.
That means "less shouting at everyone, in essence, which some of you may remember from an earlier generation as being the modus operandi," he said.

The changes started about a year ago, as defense officials looked for ways to make drillmasters more effective, said Lt. Col. Mike Jones, head of Army National Guard recruiting.

He said the old way was to "talk loud, talk often, get their attention" _ shock treatment to teach discipline and mold the newly recruited civilian into a soldier.

But trainers found today's generation responded better to instructors who took "a more counseling" type role, Jones said, using strong tactics when needed but keeping them the exception instead of the rule.

The approach has had two positive results, he said: It has lowered attrition among those who go through training each year and has eased one of the greatest fears of recruits _ their fear over whether they can make it through basic training.

Other changes aimed at improving graduation rates include such things as letting recruits with injuries or minor medical problems remain in the service, heal, and then go back to training. Before, an injury would have meant discharge, training officials said.

Numbers differ from service to service and depend on what the recruit is being trained for. Those training to be Navy SEALS or other special forces may wash out at the rate of 70 percent. Those training to be truck drivers may have an 80 percent graduation rate.

But Chu said that across all services, generally, some two-thirds of recruits finish their enlistment period _ typically three or four years.

Of the third who don't make it, half bomb out in the first six to 12 months, Chu said, adding that the attrition rate is better than most private sector firms.

Keeping a balance in the number flushed out of the service is important. Too many dropouts and you lose people you really want to keep. Too few dropouts, and you are keeping people you should have let go, Chu said.

Both the military and police academies are moving away from harder-edged approaches to training, he said.

"However much it may be satisfying from the shouter's perspective, it really isn't the best way to shape young people for the future," Chu said.

He made the comments as he announced that all active duty services had met their recruiting goals for the budget year ended Sept. 30. The Marine Corps Reserve met its goal and the Air Force Reserve exceeded its goal, but they were exceptions among guard and reserve forces, some of which have seen "heavy use" due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Chu said.

[capmarine]

what happens when they get into combat? oh my gosh.ive seen the video of the ft jackson commander and the same tv station did a video of Marine bootcamp-what a world of difference!