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yellowwing
12-21-05, 12:40 PM
The Official ACLU stance on the Christmas thing:

How The ACLU Didn't Steal Christmas
12/7/2005,
by Fred Quigley, Executive Director, Indiana Civil Liberties Union (http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/22324res20051207.html?ht=)

When the angry phone calls and emails started arriving at the office, I knew the holiday season was upon us. A typical message shouted that we at the American Civil Liberties Union are "horrible" and "we should be ashamed of ourselves," and then concluded with an incongruous and agitated "Merry Christmas."

We get this type of correspondence a lot, mostly in reaction to a well-organized attempt by extremist groups to demonize the ACLU, crush religious diversity, and make a few bucks in the process. Sadly, this self-interested effort is being promoted in the guise of defending Christmas.

For example, the Alliance Defense Fund celebrates the season with an "It's OK to say Merry Christmas" campaign, implying that the ACLU has challenged such holiday greetings. (As part of the effort, you can get a pamphlet and two Christmas pins for $29.)

The website WorldNetDaily touts a book claiming "a thorough and virulent anti-Christmas campaign is being waged today by liberal activists and ACLU fanatics." The site's magazine has suggested there will be ACLU efforts to remove "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency, fire military chaplains, and expunge all references to God in America's founding documents. (Learn more for just $19.95 . . . )

Of course, there is no "Merry Christmas" lawsuit, nor is there any ACLU litigation about U.S. currency, military chaplains, etc. But the facts are not important to these groups, because their real message is this: By protecting the freedom of Muslims, Jews, and other non-Christians through preventing government entanglement with religion, the ACLU is somehow infringing on the rights of those with majority religious beliefs.

In truth, it is these website Christians who are taking the Christ out of the season. Nowhere in the Sermon on the Mount did Jesus Christ ask that we celebrate His birth with narrow-mindedness and intolerance, especially for those who are already marginalized and persecuted. Instead, the New Testament—like the Torah and the Koran and countless other sacred texts—commands us to love our neighbor, and to comfort the sick and the imprisoned.

That's what the ACLU does. We live in a country filled with people who are sick and disabled, people who are imprisoned, and people who hunger and thirst for justice. Those people come to our Indiana offices for help, at a rate of several hundred a week, usually because they have nowhere else to turn. The least of our brothers and sisters sure aren't getting any help from the Alliance Defense Fund or WorldNet Daily. So, as often as we can, ACLU secures justice for those folks who Jesus worried for the most.

As part of our justice mission, we work hard to protect the rights of free religious expression for all people, including Christians. For example, we recently defended the First Amendment rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets in southern Indiana. The ACLU intervened on behalf of a Christian valedictorian in a Michigan high school, which agreed to stop censoring religious yearbook entries, and supported the rights of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at their school.

There are many more examples, because the ACLU is committed to preserving the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom for all. We agree with the U.S. Supreme Court's firm rulings that this freedom means that children who grow up in non-Christian homes should not be made to feel like outsiders in their own community's courthouse, legislature or public schoolhouse.

To our "Merry Christmas" correspondents and all other Hoosiers, we wish you happy holidays.

jgorosco
12-21-05, 12:56 PM
I am still confused. Does the ACLU want me to minimize my beliefs or celebrations so others (minorities) would not be left out. What ever happened to the saying MAJORITY RULES? If the ACLU has helped alot of Christians why is that only 2 small ones are listed. ACLU is always preaching tolerance to the Majority but shouldn't they also be preaching the same to the sick, imprisoned, or those seeking justice; the main ones living off the ones that provide for themselves. I don't believe in the ACLU or agree and I never will. Maybe the tolerance teaching should be taught to them first. Christianity is the majority and the other religions should respect or beliefs just like we are supposed to accept theirs. MERRY CHRISTMAS and A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

rb1651
12-21-05, 01:08 PM
Mr. Quigley might want to talk to the Rev. Dave Weissbard, who wrote a letter to the editor of our local paper. In it he claims to be the president of the Northern Illinois chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. In it he calls people that are opposed to the ACLU's attempt to restrict Christians right to celebrate Christmas as we see fit, and I quote, "American Christian ayatollahs."

This is the ACLU's answer to their claim of preserving the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom to all? They can just Kiss My A**!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.

Ron

Windle
12-21-05, 03:05 PM
The ACLU has its place, and honestly has helped to win some of the landmark cases that secure the rights that we enjoy today (Brown vs. Board of Education being a big one), but the sad fact is that they seem to have traded integrity and true interest in protections in for being controversial and knee-jerk just for the sake of being controversial and knee-jerk. You wonder if they would actually be around anymore for someone who really legitimately did need thier help.

greensideout
12-21-05, 09:27 PM
Read the history of the founding of the ACLU and you will understand that they do not represent the Contitution of the United States or Religious freedoms. They have an agenda, to crush Christianity in America.
When was the last time that you went to the polls to vote for representation by the ACLU? Never? Same here. They need to take a hike!

yellowwing
12-23-05, 01:06 PM
Well the ACLU better hurry up! They now have less than 48 hours to cancel Christmas. :banana:

I think that all 260 million of us will be celebrating the joyous event despite the doom and gloom dire warnings of Bill O'Reilly.

Maybe on December 26th O'Reilly will start some stories on our positive accomplishments in Iraq.

horselady
12-23-05, 05:03 PM
Seems to me the ACLU is more concerned with giving
US constitutional rights and due justie to enemy combatants
than they are for ensuring religious freedom for all. Rather
than encouraging that symbols of all religions be displayed,
they wish to limit the freedoms of the majority religion so as
not to offend the minority ones.

Growing up Jewish in a predominantly Christian town, I looked
forward to seeing the Chistmas lights displayed on Main
Street each year. And was especially thrilled when the town decided
to include a Chanukah menorah among the lighted Christmas tree
and angel decorations which hung from the telephone poles
lining the street. Had the ACLU been around there, they would
have demanded that the lights be non-demoninational - neither offensive
nor pleasing to anyone.

rb1651
12-23-05, 11:19 PM
horselady,

Thank you so much for sharing that. If we could only get the ACLU, ( Anti-Christian League Union) to see things from your point of view, then Christmas would again be a celebration for all religions. :yes:

Ron