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thedrifter
11-03-05, 10:20 AM
Al-Qaida claims it downed U.S. helicopter that killed 2 Marines
By THOMAS WAGNER
Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Al-Qaida in Iraq claimed Thursday to have shot down a U.S. attack helicopter that crashed near Ramadi, killing two Marines aboard, and residents buried dead from what they said was a subsequent U.S. airstrike nearby.

Boys stood Thursday beside the wreckage of an AH-1W Super Cobra attack helicopter that crashed a day earlier near the insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad.

"Brethren in al-Qaida in Iraq's military wing downed a Super Cobra attack helicopter in Ramadi with a Strella rocket, thanks be to God," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web forum often used for its claims.

The authenticity of the statement, which bore the nickname of the group's spokesman, Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, could not be confirmed.

The military did not specify the cause of the crash, but Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch said Thursday that witnesses "believe they saw a munition fired at the helicopter and saw the helicopter break in pieces in midair and then crash."

Hours later, a U.S. fighter jet dropped two 500-pound bombs on what the military said was an "insurgent command center" about 400 yards from where the helicopter went down.

Associated Press Television News video from the scene Thursday showed residents digging through the rubble of several homes and burying a half-dozen bodies in graves. The bodies were covered with blankets, making it impossible to identify them.

The two dead Marines were among seven U.S. troops killed Tuesday and Wednesday. One of them died in the town of Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad, when his patrol came under small arms fire.

At least 2,036 U.S. military service members have died since the war began in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

In a separate statement, Al-Qaida in Iraq also said it sentenced to death two Moroccan Embassy employees kidnapped last month in Iraq.

Two Iraqi policemen were killed in a drive-by shooting in Baghdad on Thursday, and bodies of 12 men who had been kidnapped and killed were found in a sewage station, police said.

But few attacks by Sunni-led insurgents were reported in Iraq on Thursday as Sunni Arabs began the three-day religious holiday of Eid al-Fitr, which ends a month of fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. Most Iraqi Shiites start the holiday Friday.

In Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, children appeared on the streets in new clothes, and the amusement park was crowded with families for the start of the Eid al-Fitr holiday.

But long-standing animosity to U.S. forces also was apparent in the mostly Sunni city, 80 miles north of Baghdad.

"The real Eid for Iraqis will be the day that occupation forces get out of our country," said Aqel Omar, 48, a retired government employee, as he gathered with about 30 relatives.

"I hope that next year our country is liberated and stable and that we can rebuild it again."

On Wednesday, a suicide bomber detonated a minibus in an outdoor market packed with shoppers ahead of Eid, killing about 20 people and wounding more than 60 in Musayyib, a Shiite Muslim town on Euphrates River, about 40 miles south of Baghdad. On July 16, nearly 100 people died in Musayyib in a suicide bombing near the same site.

But little violence was reported across Iraq by late afternoon Thursday.

In Tikrit, the day began for many Sunnis with early-morning services at their mosques. At one, a preacher called for the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from the country. But his sermon also urged Sunnis to vote in the Dec. 15 parliamentary election.

Most Sunnis boycotted the Jan. 30 vote that elected the current interim parliament, but many turned up for the constitutional referendum on Oct. 15, and plan to cast ballots in the December election in an effort to get more Sunnis into Iraq's next government.

As Eid began in Tikrit, no American patrols were seen on the streets for the first time in weeks. Iraqi police and soldiers were on duty instead in an apparent effort to reduce the chance of violence ruining the holiday.

Eid celebrations also were taking place in Baghdad's mostly Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah.

Children flocked to an amusement park as Iraqi and U.S. troops stepped up security in the area. Boys and girls lined up to take rides on a small Ferris wheel, a swing set and a horse-drawn carriage.

But Zuhair Shihab, 45, the owner of a food stall in the park, said he felt sad, having just heard that the body of a friend had been found on a Baghdad street 10 days after he was kidnapped.

Such killings are fairly common in Baghdad, some caused by fighting between Sunnis and Shiites, others the result of criminals taking hostages in search of ransoms.

Shihab also was angered by the coalition forces in Azamiyah.

"What kind of Eid we can we celebrate in the presence of U.S. troops?" he said. "They brought all this misery to us."

Elsewhere in Baghdad, some Sunnis marked the start of the holiday by visiting cemeteries and praying at the graves of their relatives.

Fighting between coalition forces and insurgents, and the militants' use of drive-by shootings, suicide bombers and roadside bombs, often make security a top priority for Iraqi families. Some feel they have to closely guard their houses, day and night.

The timing of this year's Eid holiday also is another sign of the deep divisions that developed between minority Sunnis and majority Shiites under Saddam, a Sunni who persecuted many Shiites.

The months of the Muslim calendar are lunar. Therefore, they start when the new moon is spotted by a trustworthy members of the community. Based on that observance, Sunni clerics decided that Eid would begin on Thursday this year, while Shiites chose Friday.

Those differences were obvious at the Kazimiyah shrine in Baghdad on Thursday, where Shiite cleric Hazimal Araji, waving a rifle in the air, led worshippers chanting for the liberation of Iraq -- not from U.S. forces but from Sunni insurgents.

Associated Press reporters Jacob Silberberg in Balad and Sinan Salaheddin in Baghdad contributed to this report.

Ellie

junker316
11-03-05, 12:42 PM
It has been to my knowledge that Muslims would first tell you what they planned, if not exactly the location, and then do it. This way no one else could claim what he or she has done. Even with the separate groups and different tribes of Muslims throughout the landscape there would be at least some sort of warning before a hit. As it was when I was in Iraq. We never knew when they would hit us but we did know that they would hit us. The threat was always there just by how the Muslim culture was. If the US did something that upset them or disrupted a plan, importance of the plan not needed, they would state that they, the insurgents, were going to deliver a severe blow to US forces. Then they would proceed to attack near-by bases and convoys. This "claim" of the shot down Helicopter is improper to the doctrine that they live by. Even if it did happen as they, insurgents, say. It could have possibly been an upset Iraqi trying to get his voice heard by taking out the Helo. Maybe he was even threatened by the insurgents to do such an action. Suggestions that these imbiliciles are capable of anything other than guerrilla warfare within the limitations they, insurgents, have or have been given is the very demeanor that they wish for us to believe. Such action as taking down a plane or helicopter is only a "chance" not something planned or deliberate. The insurgents can only suggest that there will be retaliation against our forces by hitting a helo or plane, if it is stationary or just landing or taking off, but not when it is flying on a mission with intent to attack or disrupt the insurgents.

Also the ideas of the Iraqi people are changing. Before, in Jan 2001- Apr 2005, there was a lot of support. Now we are being looked at as invaders because the US has moved in but not left. The Iraqi People were told that after the first elections the US would withdraw from Iraq. We stayed. Our government told Iraq that when they had their own government that US forces would decline so that they could handle their business with limited help. We tossed more forces into their country. Our President told them that when they had a Constitution that we would pull out our forces gradually. Our Government has deployed way more forces since then. Not to mention the other broken promises that they have received from our Government. So I would expect that the people have slowly started to regret us being there. That even maybe the insurgents are able to gather more forces against us easily. With the culture of Muslims in Iraq, making promises and not following through with them is something almost unforgivable. To try to "hurry" an Iraqi for timeliness is also very non-negotionable. They believe in certain ways that we as Americans see as futile. Such as when we go to some-one's house and then leave quickly after arriving because of time restraints. The Iraqi people believe that to be very disrespectful. Also when an Iraqi goes to another's house they bring gifts as to where we don't. There is no hurrying to eat or to leave. There is a lot of socializing between the Iraqi people when visiting before the meal and Prayer is very important. We as Americans socialize little before a meal, also during the meal, and very little after the meal unless there is a reason to stay there. Prayer in our homes are not always present and we visit each other without gift bearing. A lot of what we do the Iraqi find insulting. I don't believe that our Government took any of this into effect when they made promises and didn't keep them.

Gathering facts is important to me. Knowledge of the area where I am to go is something I study up on. We are held accountable for our actions, knowingly or not, but insurgents in Iraq hold us as invaders and worse. But the claim that they, insurgents, did what they claim is almost unthinkable. That isn't how they work or how they live. There is almost always a warning in advance of some sort. It is just the way we perceive what they are saying and how we react to what they are doing. Thus I think that the claim is totally unproven and unwarranted.