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thedrifter
11-02-05, 06:59 AM
This Week In Ford Racing
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For John Force to win an unprecedented 14th NHRA Funny Car championship, he must overcome 28 points and two positions in the standings in the season-ending NHRA Finals in Pomona, Calif., on Nov. 3-6. Force - who won titles in 1990-'91, '93-2002 and '04 - is looking to bounce back from an opening-round loss at Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago, one of 10 first-round losses he has endured this year. He also leads the series with five victories. The always-quotable Force talked about the points deficit and a possible national record during an NHRA teleconference leading up to the finale'.

JOHN FORCE - No. 1 Castrol GTX Ford Mustang - YOU WERE VERY FAST DURING TESTING IN LAS VEGAS. DID YOU FIND SOME MAGIC, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY TRICKS UP YOUR SLEEVE FOR POMONA? "No, there's no magic. We found some consistency. That's what we've been lacking, and we'll see what happens at Pomona."

YOU SEEM A LITTLE QUIET. "I'm just tired. We stayed up there and tested. I've got to back this weekend, my daughter's are racing, and I come back home and go to SEMA, like everybody else, so I'm just trying to get ready and see what we can do. It's very important, what's going to go on here in the next week."

HOW TOUGH WILL IT BE TO BOUNCE BACK FROM THAT FIRST-ROUND LOSS AT LAS VEGAS? "You just get back in your hot rod and you go out and you test and try to get your mind right. Our strategy is going to completely change because we went into Vegas and we had a lead and we knew we got that because of a destiny that took place at Dallas put us out there. And we ran well. But, we can't count on luck to win this race. Scelzi and Capps, they have to fight it out the way they're going to fight it. We have to look at the point structure at 28 points. We can't count on them to make a mistake; we have to beat 'em. And, in the process of that, if there was one car to race against, we might have a different strategy. One car might make a mistake and be out, but not two of them - they're too good. So, we're kind of watching the weatherman, he's kind of the key to this. That's why we stayed and tested. We ran .74 at Vegas last year and went to Pomona and ran .60s, and we got our car down on a string from .78 all the way to .71, at Vegas. And we want to go into Pomona and try to set the national record because we may need that if we're going to win. Bottom line, we just went into Vegas and tried to qualify - I know this isn't exactly what you asked - we tried to put it in the show, and my car was so weak it smoked the tires. We always make sure we get it in on the first run. That way, the night session you can go for it, but at least you're in the show. So, we kind of goofed ourselves up, and then we were playing catch-up 'til the last session. So, we're going to go into Vegas, and like [Austin] Coil said, 'Could put you in a position. It's been over 20 years since you've not qualified.' And I said, 'Well, if we don't run good enough to beat 'em, then we might as well not qualify anyway.' So when we come out of the box, we're not gonna just put it in the show. We're gonna run as hard and push it t the max of what that track will hold, and try to get the national record. But, that's all about weather. It could be there for all of us - Capps, Scelzi, ourselves - but that's the way we're looking at this race."

IS THIS THE TOUGHEST YEAR EVER FOR YOU? HAS IT BEEN UP AND DOWN, YOUR SEASON, BUT SEEING YOUR TWO KIDS DO WELL AND DAUGHTER ASHLEY DO WELL, TOO? "Ashley, we've been giving her a few shots at testing, but not really much because Coil wants to run all of the stuff that we're going to race the following week. We put her in the car - one run, two runs - the car was smoking the tires and a lot of stuff, and getting her out there, 300-400 people. Finally, we found some problems - she's 85 pounds lighter than me, and we never even addressed it, so we hung fire bottles, weight underneath the car, and after it smoked the tires on the first run we hung all the weight and she drove 'er right down there at the eighth mile, and I was very proud of that, and I felt confident now that she can make the transition to Funny Car in time, but it's a start for her. And she made two runs at the half track, and she came back, big ol' smile on her face, and she was like, 'You know, it's like Gary Scelzi told me, like it's another life out there.' She goes, 'Dad, it spun my helmet up over my head. I almost couldn't see.' But, she was excited about it. Before, she wasn't excited. And maybe I focused so much on Robert, Eric, Ashley and my two girls, littlest two girls, I forgot to watch Scelzi and Capps, and I hoping it's not too late. We do all that we can do. These kids - I say kids; Scelzi and Capps, they're veterans, but to me they're young, and they've earned a shot at this title. And so have I. We're going to give our best shot. You talk all you want, and you can be sick all you want; bottom line, it starts on Sunday morning. And we're going to try to start it on Friday when we roll in the gate. We'll just see. We'll see."

POMONA HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD TRACK FOR YOU. DO YOU FEEL YOU MAY HAVE A BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE OVER RON AND GARY COMING INTO THIS TRACK? "No, not really. Scelzi's a veteran, he knows the game, and we all make mistakes but he knows it better than any because he's been there three times and won the championship - whether Dragster or a Funny Car. Same thing after you've driven both. Ron Capps, I'm sure Scelzi's hungry, but Capps is super-hungry because he hasn't been there, he's way overdue and he's really good on that Christmas tree. I hand it to both of 'em for what they do. I don't think there's any advantage. A lot of it, cloud cover can change the course of a race, and so, it's all about focus, it's all about right parts, right money, right crew chiefs, camaraderie - all three teams have this and they have multi-car teams. So, in the midst of all this, luck could be a factor here. But like I said earlier, I'm not going to count on luck to beat two of 'em. If I only had one, I'd be playing the consistency game and hope one of 'em will go down, but they won't both go down. And so we're just going to have to flat beat 'em if we can, and that means national record. I hate to throw that out there, but it's there. I wish we hadn't have set it at .66, I wish it was a little easier. If I try to look at 28 points that I got to go around further than those two guys, well, they're both going to be there, I believe in my heart, rounds into the race and the national record could be the difference for me. It won't be for them. All they've got to do is win, you know what I'm saying? All they've got to do is go rounds, and then it's over for me, and then it's between them, and I'm gonna get me a beer and I'm gonna get up in the stands. The truth is, you know, I love 'em both, and I'll really struggle who to root for. It's a struggle for me, but my own struggle is in 60 employees that want that bonus check that have worked hard for it. That's the hard part. I thank God that I've got all my contracts signed. I'd hate to be going up against a contract at my age getting whacked down. So it gives me chances to come back over the years. But we need that national record. That way, if one of them gets to the final, and I'm lucky enough to get there, I still got a shot at it. But, it'll be there or it won't. It's all up to the weatherman."

YOU ARE FRIENDS WITH GARY SCELZI AND RON CAPPS, AND YOU KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO MAKE A CHAMPIONSHIP RUN. HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO HELP EITHER OF THEM THROUGH THIS RUN? "No. Capps knows the game, and so does Scelzi. And they're winners, they know what's going on. If they win this year, either one, I'll tip my hat, or I'll tip my hat to both of them already and say to both of you guys, 'I totally respect what you've done, not just on the race track,' but what you've done, next to the psychological warfare that's being played, just the fact the way to read in the papers or watch it in the interviews, when they made the mistakes, they stood up and they took the hit, and when they did good they didn't run it down anybody's throat. In the past, I've seen the guys that struggled go one direction, and then bounce back and go another direction, and you say, 'Gee, a little bit different guy when you win, what about when you lose?' And these guys always played the game clean, and that's the way I teach Robert and Eric. I said, 'You watch Capps. You watch Scelzi. If they beat you, they don't shove it down your throat.' They may this time, okay, but bottom line, when they lost, they took their hits. Just honesty. And that's the biggest value that I look at it. That's the way you pick a driver - when a kid will give you the truth. And these two individuals give you the truth, whether they do good or they do bad. And that's what I like and that's what I respect, and if I'm going to go down, I'd just hate to lose to a guy that I thought was full of it. That just really bothered me. I don't want to lose - don't misunderstand what's going on here - but if I lose, I want to look a guy in the face and say, 'You did it, and now I'll roll out of Pomona and we'll do it again.' And that's the way we all look at it."

AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN AROUND THE SPORT FOR A LONG TIME, CAN YOU PUT THIS UPCOMING RACE INTO PERSEPCTIVE? "Toughest it's ever been. This is tougher than my first championship. The caliber of the drivers that are out there - and I don't just mean Scelzi and Capps. I remember Marty Reed interviewing me and he said, 'Okay, what are your chances of getting Scelzi and Capps?' I said, 'I'm not even thinking of Scelzi and Capps. My focus is on [Del] Worsham. First round.' First of all, I wouldn't want Worsham to think I wasn't thinking about him. It would only make him madder, only make him tougher to beat. And then he took me out. It's going to be tough. It's going to be great for the fans, it's going to be great for the sport, and I love it, and I know that's the truth because we dominated for so many years, but it's going to be hell on John Force until Sunday night - and then I'm going to get over it. Either way it goes, I'm going to get over it."

WHERE DO YOU STAND, OIL-DOWN-WISE? "Number one, we're putting our car on a diet. We spent three days in Vegas and my car is a dump truck, so they're starving me for a week. Number two, we're taking - I hate to admit this, maybe it's dumb but you get one shot to change history here and we need that national record, so we're pulling all the safety equipment off the car. We're gutting her down. We spent some money, brought a brand-new body in and put the tie tree in it to get this weight off the car because weight is a factor. It's not the difference in winning or losing, but that difference and that ET could be the difference, so oil-down is what you asked, I'm the worst. Coil said he could save some more weight, just don't put oil in the motor. That's a possibility."

ARE YOU IN THE PENALTY SITUATION WHERE IF YOU OIL YOU GET CHARGED? "Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm in bad shape right now. Mentally, I'm in good shape. Maybe I'm not talking a lot, just don't have a whole lot to say. Usually, I'm happy because everything's going my way, well, right now, stuff's not going my way."

THIS HAS NOT BEEN A TYPICAL JOHN FORCE YEAR, WITH 10 FIRST-ROUND LOSSES AND ALL. WHAT'S BEEN THE DIFFERENCE? "We ran .60s two years ago, and somewhere we ran .60s coming into Pomona in the opening qualifying run, the only car quicker was Tony Pedregon. I got a lot going on, a lot of teams, a lot of focus, but I drive my car on race day. But Coil said, 'You just don't drive it on race day, you drive it every day of your life,' and maybe that's where I was guilty of focusing on Robert. I was more chasing Robert in the points - you know, I was taken out four times by my own guys. And then I lost 10 first-rounds, so I've made some bad mistakes. Driver error. I had red lights. I was late on the light. My car didn't perform. And I got taken out by guys that I didn't think could beat me. So, my approach was wrong. And now I'm down to the wire, wishing I had some attitude back where I should've had it. As a veteran, I personally made some mistakes. Maybe I can turn it around, maybe I can't."

DO YOU DREAD POSSIBLY LOSING TO GARY AND HEARING ABOUT IT FOREVER? "No. My sponsorships are secure, that's always important, for long range, and so it's not like some people are put on the edge, if they don't do well you can lose your deal. My deals are secure. The kids that worked all year for the money. I just heard Scelzi and Capps say they don't care about No. 2, but I do. If I can't get No. 1, I want No. 2. Just to generate the revenue for these kids that get that bonus check at the end of the year, because they work night and day. They work like we do, it's hard. It's just something you want to do. Yeah, No. 1 is the deal. I always thought winning the championship, when they talked about Ed McCullough never winning, but yet he won Indy nine or 10 times, is like, 'Wow!" You're lucky if you can win Indy once. I've won it a few - I don't know how many times I've won it - but what's he's done is way beyond anybody. The bottom line, everybody wants a championship and some want more. Maybe 10 years from now, because Cruz came up to me at Dallas and said, 'I'm pulling for you,' and I said, 'That's nice of you, Cruz.' He said, 'Yeah, I want to be the only guy, me and my brother, to beat you.' It kind of took the thunder out of it. I thought he actually might've liked me. When I red-light, I put it to bed right away. If I make a mistake, I put it to bed. If I get beat, I'm putting it to beat. I'll take my whipping and go home. The real truth is I really consider that I'm very good at what I do, and if they can beat me, well, that makes them very good, and I like good opponents, and I have good opponents right now. And if they can beat me, like I said, I'll congratulate 'em and I'll go get ready for next year."

YEARS AGO, YOU SAID SCELZI AND CAPPS WULD BE CHAMPIONS ONE DAY. WHAT DID YOU SEE SO EARLY IN THOSE TWO? "The same thing I saw in Eric and Robert Hight, Eric Medlan. The energy that they had, how bad they wanted it, everything was focused, everything was going in one direction. But, really, I said it earlier, the honesty. The honesty of these two individuals. Have you ever had a conversation with Bazemore? And I like and respect Bazemore, but I never know where's he's coming from. I don't know if it's just the way that he plays the head trip with you. He doesn't want you to know. These guys tell it right out. We stood in the staging lanes at Vegas, the three of us, Scelzi and Capps, and we all talked about how nervous we were, and that I was nervous, too. And Like I told 'em, I joked with both of 'em, 'You know what fear is? When you're young and you're poor and you're sitting at the dinner table and you look across the breakfast table, and your brother Louie is across the table and he wants that piece of sausage. That's nervous. If you reach for it, he'll put a fork in you.' Everything has perspective of what creates the pressure - and these guys talk about it. They're going to tell you that they're going to beat you or they tell you they're going to lose, but they don't give you no bull. Maybe I've listened to so much of my own I just respect hearing the truth, I guess. I've just grown to love the two of 'em, and it's a struggle for me. If the two of them are going to win, I don't know who to root for. I really don't, because I look at both of them as drivers, because they have that ability, they have that talent, they have the gift of gab, they have the looks, they have the whole package, and I knew one day somebody would knock me off, and God's truth, I really thought it would be one of them. And I hope it's not this year, I hope it's next year."

HOW DO YOU WORK TO PUT THE MEDIA FOCUS ON YOU? "I got, swear to God here, that I've had more, maybe more that what matters media, because of the battle with these two kids. If I'm just winning again, nobody cares. Now I'm getting smacked around. Even Castrol said, and Ford, 'You're getting a lot of exposure just because you're not dominating. And it's all a matter of everybody wants something different. Same old thing gets old. You know what I'm saying. But I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. Great for the sport if they beat me, but greater if I can't win, and I'm not being negative because I'm going to try to win, -- I could've made a big move at Vegas and I didn't. We dropped the ball. So now, the focus, even if I lead, trust me, in January, me and Densmore will have a new package and how we're going to go about business to get that title back because that's what it's all about."

Champ Car World Series

Sebastien Bourdais heads into this weekend's race in Mexico City as the 2005 Champ Car World Series Champion. He clinched his second consecutive CCWS title in Surfers Paradise on October 23rd, becoming just the fifth driver in series history to win back-to-back championships (Rick Mears [1981-1982] , Bobby Rahal [1986-1987], Alex Zanardi [1997-1998] and Gil de Ferran [2000-2001]). Bourdais, who won the Mexico City race in 2004 talked about the upcoming weekend, the new car from Panoz and his experience in the Crown Royal IROC series.

Sebastien Bourdais No. 1 McDonalds/Newman-Haas Racing Ford Lola How does it feel going into the Mexico City Race as the defending polesitter, race winner and 2005 series champion? "It's pretty cool, there is no pressure. We are going to try and win the race. Quite a few people are going to be trying to finish well and show what they were not able to do earlier this year. I don't expect it too be easy. Mexico City is a great track and we did well last year so it would be good to be able to repeat."

With all of the support races in Mexico how does the track surface change during the weekend? "For the past two seasons, we have had no problems. Mexico is really dusty and all that, but the track is a beautiful course. It has a bit of everything and it's just a great road course. The only thing that makes it really hard is the altitude. We make so much downforce that the cars are sliding a lot and it's a challenge to balance the car properly, so that's always a tough thing. But other than that, it's a great venue with a lot of people."

How do the fans in Mexico compare to those in Canada or here in the United States? "In Canada we have great venues and the U.S. we have the Long Beach and Denver races with very good crowds. The Mexico race is just unbelievable, they have the largest attendance of the race weekend and you can definitely see it. It's just floods and floods of people."

With Champ Car going global how important is it to get more engine and chassis suppliers into the series? DO You hear some people label the series as Formula Super Ford? "We'll we like that. We like that, but yeah, right now I don't really know what the engine situation is going to be like. We have a great package that is very powerful and very reliable. It's extremely cost efficient. So I think everybody loves the engine package. I think it would be quite a mistake right now to change it. The fact that it's also inexpensive on the chassis side is good. It's true that Champ Car has been involved with Lola for many years but I guess every relationship has to come to an end. I guess Panoz has come in with a better offer and I'm sure that they will do just fine and provide a strong, good car. If the cost is going to be significantly down, like we expect, it will be a huge help for everybody. Hopefully we can get more cars and have an even better show"

DID CHAMP CAR CONSULT WITH THE DRIVERS AND TEAMS BEFORE THEY MADE A DECISION ON THE 2007 CHASSIS? "The guidelines were discussed in small groups and we had our input on things with the series technical director. The technical director has to do what he thinks is best. If you listen to people you are going to have 50 answers and they will all be different. Definitely you need to have a strong technical director who knows what needs to be done and which way we want to go."

Last Weekend you wrapped up your last race in the IROC SERIES at Atlanta. A lot of good things were said about you by Mark Martin and Dave Marcus. How does that feel to receive accolades from veterans in the series? The IROC series was extremely different than what I was used to. I think I was able to provide very accurate information and feedback to the people I was working with. I worked with the guys on how to improve the cars in traffic. I think they really appreciated my comments and I had a great time. Dave Marcus is quite a character. With Mark Martin, I think it was just a lot of respect from each other. He is a really experienced guy whose opinion was important to listen to. I was a little surprised that they were so high on me. It can't hurt and it just makes you feel very good to know some people appreciate what you are doing.

OF THE FOUR IROC TRACKS WHAT TRACK WAS THE MOST CHALLENGING? "Of the four it was definitely Richmond. It's a track that you really have to drive. It was a bit disappointing, because in testing I did well there. I had to go to a test with Newman-Haas and when I returned the car never felt like it had in practice. So basically I was just running around not being able to be a contender. It was a bit frustrating but sometimes things just don't go the way you would like."

NASCAR Busch Series

Ashton Lewis, Jr., driver of the No. 25 Ford, took over the Team Marines ride at the beginning of the season and unknowingly inherited tens of thousands of new fans. Lewis, who spent the early part of his racing career driving for a family-owned team, spoke about various experiences representing the Marine Corps and the value of their NASCAR relationship.

ASHTON LEWIS, JR.-25-Team Marines Ford Taurus - YOU HAD AN EVENTFUL WEEKEND OFF LAST WEEK. WHAT DID YOU DO? "The Marine Corps had its annual marathon in the D.C. area, and it was the 30th anniversary of the event, which was a pretty big deal in itself. They originally invited us up there to do an autograph signing, but I told them I'd like to run in it, and we decided to run the 8K race, which is a support race for the marathon. Rob Winchester at Rensi, who handles the account, went there and ran with me. I really enjoyed it and got to show a little bit of support for the Marines. I got to see some of the Marines there, and especially all of the people that were there supporting the Marines. It was a really neat event."

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WHAT OTHER ACTIVITIES HAVE YOU DONE THIS YEAR WITH THE MARINES? "We've done two big things this year. We went to the Marine Corps Recruiting Depot in San Diego, and that's the Paris Island of the west coast, and I got to see what a new recruit goes through. The next day we went to Camp Pendleton and I got to see the equipment that they have and the type of machinery that they use. I got to run around in an Amtrack in the water and shot a few rounds of the M-4, which is the machine gun they use. That part of it is neat, and it's good to see and to interact with them and find out what the Marines go through and the type of stuff they work with in protecting our freedom."

HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE DRIVING THE MARINES CAR BEEN WHAT YOU EXPECTED? "I tell everybody that when I first signed up to drive the Team Marines Ford that I thought I had a pretty good understanding of what it was going to mean to represent them and what the Marines stood for. I got to go to Washington, D.C., and got to see the Sunset Parade and watched the silent drill team, and I've gone to Quantico, but the biggest thing a person can do to really understand what it means to be a Marine is to actually meet a group Marines and talk to them. Once you spend and an hour with a Marine and find out how passionate they are about the Corps and what it's done for them, then you understand what this NASCAR program is all about. For so many people the Marine Corps has been their guidance and it showed them a lot of life-learning experiences, and that experience is the basis for their core values and teaches them how to conduct themselves. That's the neat part about it. For me, you're not pushing a product, but a way of life. You're pushing the front-line fighting force defending our freedom. These are the guys that are out there fighting the enemy face to face. They're doing the hand-to-hand combat, and that's the honor in representing them because they are very, very special people."

THE MARINES PARTNERSHIP WITH TEAM RENSI IS NOT LIKE MOST BUSCH SERIES SPONSORSHIPS WHERE YOU ENTERTAIN CUSTOMERS AND LOCAL EMPLOYEES. "At Memphis we hosted a Marine that came back from Iraq injured. He suffered a head wound and has lost a lot of the ability on his right side, but to see him face to face and still see how passionate how he was about the Corps and how proud he was for what he's done for this country - as he should be - but again, when you get to talk to them and they tell you how much they enjoy the racing part of it and how much it means to them, it definitely gets you that little extra motivation to perform on the track and make them proud. I tell everybody that if we go out there and run well enough where the Marine Corps and all of the people involved in the program, if they say that they're proud of the program and the performance that we accomplish and the way that we represent them, then to me that's being successful."

DO YOU FIND THAT A LOT OF THE CURRENTLY ENLISTED MARINES FOLLOW THE ON-TRACK PERFORMANCE OF THE CAR? "So many of them enjoy NASCAR, and then when they find out that the Marine Corps has it's own car they really get into it. It amazes me how many of the Marines follow it, especially when they're in Iraq. They get the updates and they occasionally get to see the races on TV, and when they tell me that they're always watching where that Marines car is running and pulling for it, that's awesome to think that while they're over there doing what they're doing there's paying attention to what we're doing over here. It's providing that little bit of home-away-from-home comfort and it takes away from all of the stresses that they have over there, and I think that's just incredible."

DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO SEE THE SOON-TO-BE-RELEASED MOVIE 'JARHEAD'? "One of the recruiters from a local recruiting station gave us a bunch of tickets to see a pre-screening to it. I'll certainly go see it."

NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series

Terry Cook, driver of the No. 10 Ford F-150, has found a career in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, making 212 starts in 10 seasons of competition. Cook has first-hand experience watching the series evolve from one that opened new markets in the Midwest and West to the current support-series format. Cook commented on the 2006 truck series schedule, the growth of the series and his career aspirations.

TERRY COOK-10-Ford Power Stroke Diesel by Int'l F-150 - THE 2006 TRUCK SERIES SCHEDULE WAS RELEASED A FEW WEEKS AGO. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE CHANGES FOR NEXT SEASON? "I do like the fact that we are going to Talladega. I've been hoping that we would do that for quite some time, or go back to Daytona for a second time. We put a lot of effort into our Daytona program. All teams do, and it got to the point where they did away with road courses because they were afraid we were building specialty road course vehicles, but everybody did it. In essence, they would need to need to get away from all race tracks because you basically build a specialty vehicle to run at the speedways, the superspeedways, the intermediate tracks and the short tracks, just like you do at the Cup or Busch level. We were all basically building specialty vehicles for the season-opener at Daytona, just like you would for the road courses. Now to have a second venue to race that vehicle that usually just sat in the corner after the first race of the year, it's a pretty big deal. You might say that we're using the most of our money."

DOES IT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE SERIES THAT NASCAR IS ALLOWING THE TRUCKS TO RACE AT TWO SUPERSPEEDWAYS? "I definitely think so. All of you have to do is look at the top 15 in the current point standings, and probably all but about three of us have Cup experience. You've got a lot of veteran drivers in the series now. You still have some drivers that probably don't belong on superspeedways, but they have to learn somehow. If they can keep their nose clean and stay out of trouble, they'll continue to learn as we go along. I'm definitely glad to see Talladega put on the schedule, but I'm not in favor of the fact that they did away with Richmond to get Talladega because I think Richmond is a really neat race track. As a driver, all I've ever asked for from any race track that we go to is to have two grooves of racing. Let's put on a side-by-side race for the fans, and a lot of tracks that we go to we either don't have a second groove or it's real, real late in the race before we work in a second groove. Not to bad-mouth any tracks, but I can think of three to five right off the top of my head that don't put on very good racing because there is not a second groove. Richmond is the perfect track for not only a second groove, but sometimes even a third groove because you work so high up the track. I definitely hate to see that one go away."

THE FINAL THREE TRUCK RACES ARE TRIPLE-HEADER EVENTS WITH NEXTEL CUP AND THE BUSCH SERIES. DO THE TRUCK EVENTS - AND EVEN THE TRUCK SERIES FINALE - GET LOST DURING A THREE-EVENT WEEKEND? "I've got mixed emotions on that. We are in the entertainment business, and if we go race on a companion Cup weekend, we all know what it's done for the Busch Series. The Busch Series, and nothing against anybody who races in that series or ever has, but it would not be what it is had they not had 30-plus weekends a year in companionship with Cup. The fact is that they grew with the NEXTEL Cup Series, and it's the same thing with the truck series. The point is you've got a lot of fans at the track for a Cup race weekend, and if they can see a couple of extra races while they're there, it makes it a pretty big weekend. On the other hand, we're racing on Friday, and our garage is compromised. It will be compromised at Texas, Phoenix and Homestead, and we won't have but a slab of asphalt to work on the trucks, and these tracks aren't large enough to facilitate having three major touring series there. I like doing it because we get to perform in front of a larger group of people, but they haven't sat down and said, 'These are three of our national major touring series, and how can we truly accommodate all three of them?' At this juncture they can't. We're putting the show on for the fans and we're making it work, but it's not as easy as if we were there with IRL or it was just two major divisions. To have all three there I think it cramps the circumstances."

YOU MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF THE CURRENT TRUCK SERIES DRIVERS HAVE HAD CUP EXPERIENCE, BUT YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW THAT HASN'T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE TRUCK SERIES ARE YOU SATISFIED STAYING IN ONE SERIES? "I would love to have the opportunity to go Cup or Busch racing, and whatever the reason, maybe I don't sell myself good enough, I'm not sure, but I've never had the opportunity to try Cup racing. I have had an opportunity to do a few Busch races, and I kind of looked at them as though they weren't the caliber programs that I wanted to be with at that given time. I would definitely like to get a shot at the NEXTEL Cup Series, and I would definitely like to do it in a competitive manner. You have to understand my definition of competitive. Competitive for Jeff Gordon is running in the top 10 every single race. For me to go run the Cup Series with very little Cup experience, and depending on the ride that you're going to get into, my competitiveness might be from 20th to 30th. You have to take into consideration where you stack up and what your realistic goals might be. I would still love that opportunity, but I've just never had it."

IS IT MORE REALISTIC FOR YOU TO TRY TO GET TO THE BUSCH LEVEL? "I think there are two factors why the Busch Series is more appealing to me. One, they race 35 races, which is 10 more times than the trucks, and as a racer I just love racing. Not only would I get to race 10 more times a year, but if I race on any one given weekend, I'm going to almost double the salary I'm going to make in a truck race. As you elevate your racing career, your pay scale increases two-fold. One thing I've been a very big advocate of in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series is trying to get the pay scale increased. I don't know if it's NASCAR, the tracks, or who it is, but we need to get the pay scale to at least close to the Busch Series on a per-race basis. Their races aren't a whole lot different than ours, and their expenses aren't any different than ours. They do race 10 more races, but per-race expenses we're almost virtually the same, but we race for less than half of what they race for. That's two big, exciting factors to try and get to the Busch level. For one, to increase your pay scale, and the competition level is pretty neat and the fact you get to race 10 more times a year is pretty cool."

WITH THIS BEING THE FIRST TIME THAT THE TRUCK SERIES WILL RACE AT TEXAS WITH CUP AND BUSCH, DO YOU EXPECT ANY DIFFERENCES WITH THE TRACK CONDITIONS? "When we were there with there IRL cars, when the sun goes down the track gets a lot of grip, which is what we're going to have here again. Typically on a Cup weekend they really work the groove up the track, and that's one thing we've always struggled with there. We don't have a real distinct second groove at Texas. We do have a second groove, and we can pass, but it's not like what you're used to seeing at Atlanta and tracks like that. On Busch-Cup weekends at Texas, by the time the Cup race comes around they really push the groove up high, so hopefully having them out there with us with help elevate our groove. The jury's out and we'll have to wait and see. You can get up top and pass, but just not as easily as you can at most tracks."

Ellie