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Ed Palmer
10-19-05, 08:11 AM
Returning US soldiers face financial, medical difficulties

Critics say government is 'turning its back' on veterans because of need for money in Iraq.

By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Wounded US soldiers who have returned home are increasingly finding that they are being referred to credit agencies by the US military because of discrepancies in pay or "failure to pay" for lost equipment.
The Washington Post reported Saturday the story of one soldier, Robert Loria, victim of a bombing in Iraq, who had spent months in an Army hospital. He was not aware that he had not been "downgraded" in his pay scale – once soldiers leave a war zone, their pay goes down.

The last thing on his mind, he said, was whether the Army had correctly adjusted his pay rate ... or whether his combat gear had been accounted for properly: his Kevlar helmet, his suspenders, his rucksack.
But nine months after Loria was wounded, the Army garnished his wages and then, as he prepared to leave the service, hit him with a $6,200 debt. That was just before last Christmas, and several lawmakers scrambled to help. This spring, a collection agency started calling. He owed another $646 for military housing.

The Post reports that the US military recently identified 331 other soldiers who accumulated the same kind of "military debt" after they were wounded in Iraq or Afghanistan. The military says they have forgiven the debt of 99 of the soldiers. The other 232 cases "have not been resolved."

"This is a financial friendly fire," charged Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R) of Virginia, chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, which has been looking into the issue. "It's awful." Davis called the failure systemic and said military "pay problems have been an embarrassment all the way through" the war.




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The cause of the problem, according to military officials, is an outdated Defense Department computer system that "does not automatically link pay and personnel records." The Pentagon has been trying to fix the problem since the mid-'90s.

The Roanoke Times writes in an editorial that this is the latest in a string of problems that the Bush administration has had in dealing with soldiers, both full-time military and National Guard and Reserve troops. The Times pointed to a recent cut of a billion dollars in the Veterans Affairs budget, and the problems outfitting soldiers in war zones with proper equipment. The pay issue just compounds the situation.

OLE SARG
10-19-05, 09:07 AM
I think the ******* defense dept is still using the same damn computer that did my pay back in the 60's. I returned from Vietnam the first time and I was notified that I had been overpaid and ZAP they take all your f#$king money, no matter if you got a family or not - *******s.
Anyway, that's our f@#king government for ya. Defend our ass and then we'll take your money - some things never change (our government).

SEMPER F#@KING FI,

junker316
10-19-05, 11:23 AM
I have heard of it happening. But they don't tell you that when the Member is WIA that the Unit has been ordered to " Get the gear to that Member" ASAP. Thus relying on an impossiblely undermanned postal service, in most cases, to forward the baggage the member left behind. Not to mention items that are "not found or left behind accidentally" and never get sent. In some cases the Baggage doesn't get to the address it was sent to. The member is then held accountable for the lost gear and forced to payout of pocket expenses to the Govt for the lost gear. The Commanders don't want the gear to stay stationary with the member taken out of action and no chance of returning to the AO.

Ed Palmer
10-19-05, 02:00 PM
Well I figured that out make them buy insurance on it and then I,ll guarntee the post office will deliver it.
when you insure it it triple the value
this is what happens when they put civilians in charge of supply they could give a rats arse about the marine

greensideout
10-19-05, 07:25 PM
If this is all true, hard to believe but maybe so, it proves one thing---common sense has gone out the window for the sake of high-tech over managed non-sense and a "Do not fold , spindle or mutilate" violation.
The troops have to have their chit together, why not the government?

JAMarine
10-19-05, 11:09 PM
Not long ago there was a report out that as of Aug/Sept of this year the Gov'mt was suppose to start offering all this Protective Military Gear that the Marines prior to this was purchasing on their own. The Gov'mt was prior to this reimbursing the Troops for this personally owned equipment. I've heard stories that some of the Marines are coming back who still own their own gear and now the Gov'mt wants it back or they will be billed for it.

Hmmmm

I bought it or my parents bought it for me and sent it to me over there and now the Gov'mt wants me to pay for it again or turn it in.

Hmmmmm

I agree with all of ya. If we had and still have to keep our $hit Together.. why not include the Government too?

rich

junker316
10-21-05, 10:11 AM
If this is all true, hard to believe but maybe so, it proves one thing---common sense has gone out the window for the sake of high-tech over managed non-sense and a "Do not fold , spindle or mutilate" violation.
The troops have to have their chit together, why not the government?
This is true alright. I was one of the postal clerks for my Squadron in TQ, Iraq with the ACE. Every member we had that was WIA or KIA had to have thier gear sent back. I asked the Postal SNCOIC and the OIC why that had to be. I was shown a list of orders from Company Commanders and above that oredered that all thier remaining gear was to be sent back. As a Postal Clerk for the Unit I had to make sure that everything that was left behind was packed, Inventoried, boxed, Taped, and sent back to thier home address. Somethimes the gear was sent back to the unit, most of the time damaged with missing items, and other times it never made it to the Member. My Unit did Letters to make sure that these Marines did not have to pay for the items. But the CIF and other gear issuing facilities forced the issue and made sure that they had to pay a percentage of the total. This was a small percent that did not make it back but either way the member should not have been held accountable for something totally out of thier control. They didn't ask to be hurt or worse or to have the gear sent back. But Common sense did not exist and therefore some-one was made to pay. Most of times we, the Unit, took a collection up just to send the Gear back. You would think that they if they wanted it sent back that they would have installed something to make sure that no charge would be applied either.

Ed Palmer
02-07-06, 03:38 PM
HERE,S SOME MORE OF THE SAME

Soldier pays for armor - Army demanded $700 from city man who was wounded
WV Gazette ^ | 2/7/06



February 07, 2006

Soldier pays for armor # Army demanded $700 from city man who was wounded

By Eric Eyre Staff writer

The last time 1st Lt. William “Eddie” Rebrook IV saw his body armor, he was lying on a stretcher in Iraq, his arm shattered and covered in blood.

A field medic tied a tourniquet around Rebrook’s right arm to stanch the bleeding from shrapnel wounds. Soldiers yanked off his blood-soaked body armor. He never saw it again.

But last week, Rebrook was forced to pay $700 for that body armor, blown up by a roadside bomb more than a year ago. - advertisement - Find a job today.

He was leaving the Army for good because of his injuries. He turned in his gear at his base in Fort Hood, Texas. He was informed there was no record that the body armor had been stripped from him in battle.

He was told to pay nearly $700 or face not being discharged for weeks, perhaps months.

Rebrook, 25, scrounged up the cash from his Army buddies and returned home to Charleston last Friday.

“I last saw the [body armor] when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter,” Rebrook said. “They took it off me and burned it.”

But no one documented that he lost his Kevlar body armor during battle, he said. No one wrote down that armor had apparently been incinerated as a biohazard.

Rebrook’s mother, Beckie Drumheler, said she was saddened — and angry — when she learned that the Army discharged her son with a $700 bill. Soldiers who serve their country, those who put their lives on the line, deserve better, she said.


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