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thedrifter
09-26-05, 08:15 AM
On Second Thought, It Is Vietnam
September 26th, 2005
Bill Ireland

Comparisons of the Iraq war to Vietnam have always rung hollow—except to those who desperately wish them to be true. Aging activists remember the glory days when, abetted by sensational media coverage, they forced an abandonment of U.S. commitment in that earlier war. They sense that, with the right combination of events and demagoguery, they can accomplish the same thing now.

But there are no similarities, beyond the fact that both represent use of American military power in service of strategic goals. For the anti-war community, that is the unforgivable sin. The details are—just details.

Imagine that Ho Chi Minh, rather than being a nationalist ideologue backed by two communist superpowers, had been a regional thug with a mad desire for revenge—and sarin gas at his disposal. Imagine that U.S. forces, instead of plodding aimlessly for 10 years, had marched into Hanoi in the early months of 1965, deposed Ho, united north and south under a provisional government, then overseen democratic elections and the drafting of a constitution. Then the war in Iraq would indeed resemble Vietnam.

But for the war critics this is about opportunity, not truth. Once the U.S.
began to encounter unexpected resistance in Iraq, the perennial peaceniks saw their chance and dusted off the old slogans. It must have felt good.

Was that rage or glee on the reddened face of Senator Ted Kennedy as he thundered about “George Bush’s Vietnam?” Apparently, it was so effective he repeated it several times.

The chant was taken up by others—eventually even maverick Republican Senator Chuck Hagel . All this hyperbole was accompanied, as usual, by the peaceniks’ other favorite word: "quagmire."

A quagmire, in the new definition, is any effort of the United States military that lasts more than a few weeks. What would these Cassandras have said of America’s fortunes during the Battle of the Bulge, or at Guadalcanal? Indeed, how would they have described the American Revolution in 1777 ?

Quagmires, all—until we won.

By contrast, their model for a successful operation would be air strikes such as those conducted by President Clinton: quick, painless, and without effect—except for the self-congratulation they afford those who order them.

If the facts on the ground are dissimilar, the two wars have cast one reality into bold relief: the unchanging character of the American left. In fact, the one identical feature of both wars is—the opposition. There was Martin Sheen in Los Angeles last week, bellowing, “This war is ill-conceived, ill-advised and illegal,” amidst a festival of protest that brought out every cultural fringe group from gay activists to vegetarians.

It might as well have been 1968.

Much of the nostalgia is self-referential: a sign at the recent Washington D.C. protest read “Make levees—not war.” And some activists are keeping
score: “We’re way ahead of Vietnam,” said protest organizer James Lafferty, according to the Los Angeles Times. He sees public opinion swaying after only 2,000 casualties in Iraq. “Back then, it took 20,000 bodies. . .”

George W. Bush has provided the invaluable service of driving America’s extremists out of the woodwork, where they’ve been relatively quiescent for thirty years. The cast is eerily familiar: actors and filmmakers, writers and musicians, journalists and academics; all using their credentials—real and imagined—to lend gravity to their anti-American views. Some of the faces have changed, but the arguments haven’t.

Marxist opponents of the Vietnam War heard its lofty rationale, but saw only capitalist greed. To them, it was the raw materials in Vietnam that lured us there, not a struggle against tyranny. The coveted mineral in that case? Tungsten. That was enough to cause three American Presidents to squander the national treasure and 59,000 American lives.

These critics saw ultimate danger in American imperialism—not in a murderous ideology that openly threatened to enslave mankind. Crimes of our adversaries were ignored or rationalized as inevitable, given the injustices they’d endured.

The idea that our enemies might unite as co-belligerents, despite their differences, was dismissed as paranoid nonsense. Indeed, any attempt to link the specific conflict with larger geopolitical forces was ridiculed. Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist, they argued, and not in the camp of Moscow or Beijing.

Sound familiar?

Abuses by our own troops were magnified and exploited to create a kind of moral vertigo. We could no longer be certain who the good guys were.

Always, the goal was “peace”—so long as that meant America’s withdrawal.
When that peace was attained and led to unimaginable suffering, the news was simply ignored.

We know now the results of that earlier movement: a human wave of refugees, millions displaced, millions dead, and renewed vigor for the hellish ideology that started it all. The American public, exhausted by internal strife and relentless images of death on their TV screens, simply wanted out. “Peace with honor” had devolved into disgrace, as Congress quietly cut off military aid to South Vietnam.

Will the scenario repeat itself? In 2004 Howard Dean assumed the mantle of George McGovern, leading the anti-war insurgency within the Democratic Party. But he has none of McGovern’s dignity, grace or credibility (McGovern was a genuine war hero, piloting a B-24 over Germany in World War Two). And Dean’s now at his party’s helm—an awkward place for an insurgent. Senator Kennedy, bloated and bellicose, descends ever further into self-parody. Even Jane Fonda has scuttled her anti-war bus tour. Hillary Clinton is morphing into Hubert Humphrey: Democratic heir apparent, trying to explain her war stance to an increasingly strident left wing.

As before, the scales could be tipped by unexpected events. Nixon was distracted by Watergate. George Bush has been blown off track by two (so
far) hurricanes. Predictably, critics are using the gulf calamity as a call to bring the troops home. The progress toward democracy in Iraq has been agonizing, fraught with horrific violence. Americans have a low tolerance for unresolved conflict, especially in faraway lands. The pressure to force a resolution will grow with every new report of a roadside bombing.

If the Cassandras have their way, we could see Bush’s successor quietly pulling the plug. And then the real nightmare would begin.

Ellie

GySgtRet
09-26-05, 11:31 AM
In my opinion the two devastating Hurricanes have nothing to do with the comparisons to Vietnam and or the two Gulf wars. SO why does the left use these tradgeties to compare?

Joseph P Carey
09-26-05, 01:47 PM
It is strange, very strange indeed!

What the Left does not see is what happened at the end of the War in Southeast Asia, when the US Forces were forced out of South Vietnam, not by the North Vietnamese, but by the US Congress, and the effects of the Case-Church Amendment on the Millions of people of Southeast Asia, whereby, the United States was to sit and watch as the Peace Loving 'Nationalistic' North Vietnamese overran not only South Vietnam with their tank divisions, but Cambodia and Laos as well.

The Left does not see the Millions of deaths that occurred, after the departure of the American Forces, to the civilian populations of the area, as the Americans were prevented from interference in the area due to the Case-Church Amendment.

They do not remember seeing the numbers of South Vietnamese fleeing the Benevolent North Vietnamese in anything that could float, and the oh so many Vietnamese People drowning in the South China Sea, nor do they remember them being ravaged by Pirates on the High Seas, nor do they remember them starving to death on over-loaded boats set adrift with no fuel, no water, and no food.

They do not see the Refugee Camps that sprung up in Thailand, and Hong Kong, and places like that. They do not see the numbers of refugees taken in by Australia, and France, and Canada, and the USA. They just do not see the foolishness of thinking the North Vietnamese would be anything other than what we said they would be, and they had demonstrated a propensity for should they gain power over the people of Southeast Asia.

I did not see a Free Press in North Vietnam that criticized their military, nor did they publish the numbers of not thousands, but the Hundreds of Thousands of young men dying in South Vietnam at the hands of the Americans and the South Vietnamese that had not invaded one foot into North Vietnam, but defended the South; and, I did not see the Press immortalize the devastation and destruction and murder and mayhem that the North Vietnamese Army, and their North Vietnamese led partners in the South, the Viet Cong, applied to the people of the villages, hamlets, and cities of South Vietnam.

I did not see the story of prisoner abuse by the North Vietnamese on American POWs, and worst yet, that enacted on South Vietnamese POWs, or of the people that opposed the Communist Government in North Vietnam. No exposes were forthcoming from the Free Press.

I saw nothing of the brutal repression of the history of the Peasant Farmers of North Vietnam that occurred when the Ho Chi Minh Government came to power, and hundreds of Thousands of unarmed farmers were killed by the forces of Ho Chi Minh, or forced to flee to the South for protection from the government at the end of the barrel of a gun.

Today, I still see no concerted Free Press attacks against the insurgents that kill Thousands of innocent human beings in Iraq, and in Afghanistan. I see only the want for withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan the way we did from South Vietnam, with possibly another Case-Church Amendment, whereby, I foresee a return to the aftermath of South Vietnam; the millions killed; the millions of refugees; the return to starvation, disease, and brutal murder on a large scale; and, all we will do is watch from the comfort of our homes on the nightly news, as the newscasters refer to it as all America's fault that it is all happening, and not a bit of blame will be heaped upon the people pulling the triggers.

People that do not learn from history are surely bound to repeat history again and again! We can't leave! Not this time! Not again! Not knowing what will be, should we go away again!

RLeon
09-26-05, 01:48 PM
I saw some of the coverage of the protest last week-end...I didn't know whether to laugh or vomit.