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Sgt Sostand
08-06-05, 03:06 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. Marines and Iraqi troops pounded insurgents with bombs and tank cannons Friday during a major offensive along a stretch of the Euphrates River valley where 22 Marines were killed this week.

About 800 U.S. Marines and 180 Iraqi soldiers moved into Haqlaniyah, one of a cluster of western towns in Anbar province around the Haditha Dam that is believed to be a stronghold of Iraqi insurgents and foreign fighters.

Heavy Abrams tanks battled insurgents armed with rifles and rocket-propelled grenades, while U.S. jets destroyed at least four buildings - two of which were found booby-trapped with explosives, a U.S. military statement said.

"The wires were connected to numerous 155-mm artillery rounds scattered throughout both buildings," the military said.

Operation Quick Strike is the third major campaign since May aimed at rooting out insurgents and foreign fighters in the Euphrates valley, which is believed to be a major infiltration route for extremists entering Iraq from Syria.

On Wednesday, 14 Marines and a civilian translator were killed near Haditha when a huge roadside bomb wrecked their lightly armored vehicle. Two days earlier, six Marine snipers died in a firefight with insurgents. The Islamic militant group Ansar al-Sunnah claimed its men staged both attacks.

Two other Marines have died in Anbar this week - one from a car bomb, the other from small arms fire.

Residents said U.S. and Iraqi troops had cordoned off Haqlaniyah, about 140 miles northwest of Baghdad, and were searching house to house. American warplanes prowled overhead and a number of heavy explosions were heard. Witnesses said 500-pound bombs were being dropped in the area.

The U.S. military has defended its operations in western Iraq, insisting it is reducing insurgent attacks despite the nearly two dozen Marine deaths this week. As of Thursday, at least 1,826 U.S. military personnel had died since the beginning of the Iraq war.

Iraq's leading Shiite Muslim cleric, meanwhile, signaled he wants Islam as the foundation of the country's legal system, setting the stage for a showdown next week as politicians struggle to finish the draft of a constitution by the Aug. 15 deadline.

In the holy city of Najaf, Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari conferred with Shiite religious leaders, who wield strong influence among Iraq's majority Shiite population.

During the meetings, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani told al-Jaafari that he would like the constitution to enshrine Islam as the main source of legislation, the prime minister said.

"Ayatollah al-Sistani does not want to impose dictation on drafting the constitution, but according to my knowledge, he hopes that Islam becomes the main source of legislation," al-Jaafari said.

The role of Islam in the constitution has been one of the major sources of contention among the committee drafting the charter. Designating Islam as the main source of law is opposed by Kurds and some Iraqi women, who fear a major rollback of their rights.

The prime minister said al-Sistani also indicated he would not oppose a federal system for Iraq. That is hotly opposed by Sunni Arabs, who fear it would break up the country. But Kurds strongly support federalism so they can continue the self-rule they have enjoyed in the north since 1991.

"His eminence is not against the principle of federalism, because it is the choice of the people," al-Jaafari told reporters. "The details of the process are left to the constitution."

The prime minister said the issue of the northern oil-rich city of Kirkuk, from which Saddam Hussein displaced thousands of Kurds in the 1980s, should be solved according to Article 58 in the interim constitution.

Article 58 says all Iraqis, including Kurds, who were displaced during Saddam's regime have the right to return to their homes and receive compensation.

Political leaders are scheduled to meet Sunday to try to resolve remaining differences over the constitution.

Humam Hammoudi, chairman of the drafting committee, promised the National Assembly on Monday that the draft charter would be ready by Aug. 15 - provided compromises can be reached on key issues such as federalism, the role of Islam and distribution of national wealth.

American officials, who pushed hard to avoid an extension of the committee's work, consider the process vital to maintaining political momentum that they hope will undermine the insurgency and pave the way for U.S. and other foreign troops to begin withdrawing next year.

The prime minister also met with radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose supporters lost a fight with U.S. forces last year.

Al-Sadr encouraged Iraqis to vote in the referendum on the constitution and in the parliamentary elections to follow, but said he would not vote in the legislative balloting.

"I will not take part in the presence of occupiers, but I will give the freedom to whoever wants to join," he said.:marine: :marine: :marine:

Joseph P Carey
08-06-05, 04:13 PM
Perhaps I have trouble with this way of counting by the media press: "The U.S. military has defended its operations in western Iraq, insisting it is reducing insurgent attacks despite the nearly two dozen Marine deaths this week. As of Thursday, at least 1,826 U.S. military personnel had died since the beginning of the Iraq war."

Can't someone straighten them out about what is a hostile death, and what is a slip and fall, or a drowning, or even a heart attack death. To the best of my knowledge, there have been over 500 deaths for other reason in Iraq, and these include suicides as well as what I mentioned earlier.

And, that brings to mind another thing. When is suicide an honorable death in the US Armed Forces? And, why are these people that officially took themselves out of the war being brought back in a flag covered coffins? And, why are they given a military funeral? They are deserters in any form of the word and they should be treated as such! They didn't take themselves out defending their fellow Military personnel!

The fact that 14 personnel were killed in one vehicle by an IED is regrettable and a shame, but it not something that is a spectacular victory by the enemy, or a complete blunder by the US Forces. True, I do not think that 14 personnel should be loaded into one target, after all, the old words of my DI spring to mind, "Spread out, one grenade can get you all!" In this case it did. That is a Command and Logistics problem that should be worked out inside the Command of the 26th Marines, and should be worked out quickly.

But, to deem this some sort of amazing performance on the part of the insurgency, whereby three Antitank mines are stacked under a roadway and detonated under a 25 ton vehicle is just press sensationalism of a lucky strike by the enemy. It is somewhat similar to the SCUD strike that took most of our fatalities in the 1st Gulf War. It was just very bad luck for us that the building housing these personnel was even hit. After all, there are hundreds of these same such IED attempts that go without harming a single US Personnel throughout that country in a year. It only takes one success to make the news, and to start their 'Bring the boys home' rant! And, they are milking it for all they can get out of it!

I am glad the US Marines are in the area and doing their job, but where is the press to sensationalize the existence of the rows of Artillery projectiles hooked one to another in a residential neighborhood of the city? Where is the press to scream about these insurgents putting the people in that neighborhood in such severe danger by the existence and the atrocity of such devices where children live? Why are they not shouting the praise of the US Forces that found and dismantled this device and saved those people from the insurgents insidious acts of terror?

yellowwing
08-06-05, 05:21 PM
...the press to sensationalize...
There you have it. What's phenomenal is the misquote. Then the other news sources quote the misquote and report that the subject was obviously lying.

It now only takes a few second to research and get secondary verification on pretty much anything these days.

You don't have to swallow whole what any news reporter spews out as fact. "L/Cpl Schmuckatelli heard that we are going to be home by Christmas!"

Joseph P Carey
08-06-05, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by yellowwing

There you have it. What's phenomenal is the misquote. Then the other news sources quote the misquote and report that the subject was obviously lying.

It now only takes a few second to research and get secondary verification on pretty much anything these days.

You don't have to swallow whole what any news reporter spews out as fact. "L/Cpl Schmuckatelli heard that we are going to be home by Christmas!"

The trouble here, Wing, is what do we believe? If these people do not have their feet held to the fire for their errors, when do they get it right?

Newsweek: "Gitmo...Flushing a Koran down the toilet!" An article written to incite! For all the problems and the propaganda this created, the only thing Newsweek could say is that they are retracting their article. The end!

No sanctions on their reporters! No sanctions on their editors! No punitive damages paid! I am still waiting to hear who their Confidential Sources are that leaked a Secret FBI Memo to the press! In fact, I am still waiting to see the Memo! It is obviously not a secret any longer!

I say hit them in the wallet, and the next time there will be better reporting. Along with Freedom of the Press goes the responsibility of the Free Press to get it right the first time.

yellowwing
08-07-05, 03:28 AM
"Gitmo...Flushing a Koran down the toilet!"
That one was proven true, after Newsweek retracted it.

Joseph P Carey
08-07-05, 04:41 AM
No, Not really! There was no Koran flushed down a toilet! I don't think any toilet's plumbing can take that much crap!