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Ed Palmer
07-12-05, 02:25 PM
Muslim scholar- Killing civilians OK
Responding to questions about the terrorist attack on London, a Muslim scholar in the British capital asserted Islam makes no distinction between civilians and military targets.

"The term 'civilians' does not exist in Islamic religious law," said Hani Al-Siba'i, head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London.

Al-Siba'i, in an interview with the Arab news channel al-Jazeera, elaborated, "There is no such term as 'civilians' in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb or not."

Dar Al-Harb refers to the Muslim concept of the world being divided into two "houses," the House of Islam and the remaining territories, the House of War, or Dar Al-Harb.

Al-Siba'i speculated that a Western nation could have been responsible for the attack, but he acknowledged it could have been carried out by Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization, according to a transcript provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.

"If al-Qaida indeed carried out this act, it is a great victory for it," he said. "It rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud."

But al-Siba'i said British Prime Minister Tony Blair "made a grave error when he spoke before the investigation and claimed that the perpetrators of these acts were acting in the name of Islam."

The Muslim leader said "the possibility that it was done by the intelligence agency of another Western country hostile to Britain" should not be ruled out.

He also conjectured it could have been done by "some Zionist Americans who wanted to overshadow the G-8 summit."

Ed Palmer
07-12-05, 02:33 PM
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FAITH UNDER FIRE
5 years in jail for teaching Sunday School?
Indonesian housewives in hot water after kids invite Muslim friends

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Posted: July 12, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Three Christian housewives in Indonesia have been charged with endangering children and face a possible five years in prison after teaching a kids Sunday School class, a human-rights group reports.

According to International Christian Concern, which helps persecuted believers worldwide, the criminal charges stem from three Sunday School lessons the women – Rebecca Laonita Z, Rama Mala Bangun and Etty Pangesti – taught in 2003 and 2005.


The activities the women led included: telling stories and teaching from the Bible, teaching Christian prayers, providing prizes like pencils for memorizing Bible verses, giving children towels with a picture of Jesus, and giving kids blue sport shirts that bore a cross and the logo of their church. The women also allegedly invited a child to attend a church service and lent a girl a Bible to read, International Christian Concern reported.

While most of the children involved went to the women's church, the kids had invited some of their Muslim friends to the classes – and that's when the trouble began.

Indonesia has a child-protection criminal statute that states:


Any person who purposely uses deception, lies or enticement to make a child choose another religion not of his own free will ... will be prosecuted by imprisonment for five years and/or a fine of Rp.100,000,000.
In the last several years, Indonesia has seen the destruction of entire Christian villages by Muslim mobs.

"ICC has toured many of these burned down villages and seen firsthand the destruction wrought by intolerance, hatred, and fear of those that are different," International Christian Concern said. "ICC is still assisting these victims of hate."

Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation.

ICC is asking its supporters to contact the Indonesian Embassy in Washington, D.C., to protest the prosecution of the Christian women.

CAR
07-17-05, 08:06 PM
And these Muslims claim they are peaceful bunch. Hypocrits. The fact that they even have such a law is a statement in itself.

BUT HEY,, Islam doesn't preach violence ............... my azz!

tbruyle5
07-20-05, 10:50 PM
Responding to questions about the terrorist attack on London, a Muslim scholar in the British capital asserted Islam makes no distinction between civilians and military targets. "The term 'civilians' does not exist in Islamic religious law," said Hani Al-Siba'i, head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London.

This is real easy to fix. I suggest that one squad of Royal Marines show up on the front steps of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London and ask Hani Al-Siba'i to confirm this quote. When he does, shoot him on the spot. If there are no civilians, then he is an enemy combatant. End of story!:marine:

Joseph P Carey
07-20-05, 11:31 PM
What makes you think the HMR Marines have not thought of that already?

KingDonkeyPunch
07-21-05, 02:30 AM
Seriously. That is crap, that this man can sit in a country where he makes his living, and say that it was a huge victory for terrorists to blow up innocent people. The fact is that we should stoop to play by their rules for just a month, so they know the taste of vinegar in their mouths. People like this scumbag are the reason the rest of the world has such an ill-disposition against muslims. They aren't all bad people.

Joseph P Carey
07-21-05, 02:55 AM
I saw the leader of Pakistan in an interview today. He made an interesting comment: "What did the British think would happen when they knew it was there, and they did nothing to stop it for so long?"