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MillRatUSMC
10-27-02, 11:41 PM
The 9th of November will be doing a small ceremony of the "POW/MIA Missing Man" table.
I've been doing some research on the terms.
MIA= Missing In Action
KIA=Killed In Action
POW= Prisoner Of War
Now there's another term that throwing me for a loop;
KIA/BNR= Killed Action Body Not Recovered
But without any remains to account for that person.
He or she would have to be carried as a person MIssing In Action
Some water losses might never be recovered.
Many of those MIA's names are on the Vietnam Memorial denotes by a small star as opposed to a small cross for those listed and confirmed as Killed In Action.
Now, I left wondering how many of those listed as KIA are also listed as KIA/BNR?
Last night, I was reflecting back on my service in Vietnam.
And how angry, I returned from Vietnam.
The reason, I believed was that I frigging angry at the lies.
We were told that the Vietnamese wanted our help.
Yet, those we went there to aid, were killing us.
Times we found C-Ration cigarettes in areas that the enemy had slept in.
That said to us, that those cigarettes were the one's that we had given those kids.
Who in turn gave it to their old man, who was trying to kill us.
Then the awarding of the Medal of Honor to service men for actions in Laos.
It listed some place in South Vietnam, because we were waging a "Secret War" in Laos.
LIES on top of LIES!
Then the corruption by the Village chiefs and the Commanders of the Arvn's forces in I Corps
So I came back very angry on the death that I had seen.
We still ask WHY?
But as long as we're alive, we will seek an accounting of those listed as MIA from all our wars, not only Vietnam.
I would also like to ask;
How many came back feeling as angry as this old jarhead?

MillRatUSMC
10-27-02, 11:47 PM
After all that what I was seeking was an answer to define the terms;
KIA
MIA
As opposed to KIA/BNR
Also POW as opposed to KIA/BNR
How long could a person be carried as a POW?
Before they change his or her status?

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

vance
11-01-02, 06:55 PM
I was angry alright.Found royal blue sweat shirts in NVA packs
on the DMZ . American sweat shirts and small first aid kits .
Used to subscribe to news magazines so we could keep up with the States ...sort of. We could not figure out what in the hell was going on in our country.

MillRatUSMC
11-01-02, 09:12 PM
http://www.usvetdsp.com/story5.htm
One that you have to read to believe!
Found this while I was researching on;
Presumptive Finding of Death [PFOD]
Absent a Presumptive Finding of Death (PFOD) or a reported date of death by either returned POWs or the Communists. PFOD, for individuals whose deaths had not been determined during the war, serves as an administrative tool for accounting purposes and does not alter any legal declaration of death.
A Presumptive Finding of Death [PFOD] can be issued a year after a person is listed as Missing In Action.
It's titled;
Dead MIA Walking, But Not Talking!
This dude sure threw a wrench in someone's gear train!

"If you are able, save for them a place inside of you and save one backward glance when you are leaving for the places they can no longer go. Be not ashamed to say you loved them, though you may or may not have always.
Take what they have left and what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own.
And in that time when men decide and feel safe to call the war insane, take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind."

Major Michael O'Donnell, Jan. 1, 1970, Dak To, Vietnam.
O'Donnell, a helicopter pilot, went Missing In Action on March 24, 1970,
during a rescue attempt. His remains were returned in 1995, amd identified in 2001.