The Punks in our Public Schools

[hillbilly_0311]

S/F, fellow Marines. <br />
i believe i've found a possible solution for &quot;how&quot; some of us &quot;seasoned&quot; Marines can still serve our country. i wonder how hard it would be to volunteer some of our time to...

[airframesguru]

Speechles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pi$$ed but speechless

[USA&CSA]

I read the link and It made me sick to my stomach. That poor girl.
Your right Hillbilly the schools do need Marines to volunteer some time to patrolling and monitoring our school buildings and grounds, to provide some much needed safety and security there? A couple of years ago when my oldest son(who is a little slower then the rest) was in Jr high school he was picked on every day and when he finally fought back He was the one who got into trouble they (the school) sent he to the dr's and put him on zoloft because of his temper(which was only cause by the other kids picking on him), One day he come home really upset and had about 4 rubber bands in his hand and stated that the kids where shooting them at him on the bus. We went the school and they did nothing so My husband and I went to the School board and they put video tapes on the bus and finally caught the kids who were doing it,. They all were supended. Will My son is now in High School 2nd year and hasn't had any problem as of yet and has been off the zoloft for the 2nd years with dr. appoval. Every time there is a shooting in the schools you will hear that The Kid who did it HAS BEEN PICKED ON ALL THOUGH SCHOOL. Which means someone needs to take controll and stop all this bulling that is going on.

[vfm]

Both my kids are H.S. English teachers. I wouldn' t last one day if I had to put up with the constraints that they have regarding discipline. The worst punishment school kids get nowadays is in school detention. That's where they put all the trouble makers in one room where they make more trouble.
The laws prevent corporal punishment . So what do these kids have to fear. NOTHING!!!
My idea is to hire a retired D.I. If a kid cuts up send his sorry a$$ down to the gym to report to the D.I. bends & mother fer's till the D.I. gets tired.
Now you've accomplished two things. You've disciplined the trouble maker and you can take care of the overweight teens of America.

Something has to be done. We've gone too far in the wrong direction.
SEMPER FI!!!
vfm

[mrbsox]

I think I would have to turn myself in to the Police...

AFTER...

I had MY WAY with them Fk heads, AND their parents !!

:marine:

[HardJedi]

jesus h. christ.

those kids ALL need to be castrated, even the ones just watching.

[hrscowboy]

Now Now gentlemen lets keep our whits about our selves.. Find out what F#%%^)* school this is and lets all report there for school for a week and have blanket parties and soap in the sock classes for these dirty little shlitz birds...

[hillbilly_0311]

jedi, my old, rusty K-Bar would do that job nicely!

S/F

nite_eyes

[marinefamily5]

hey there hillbilly i'm not far from you, sounds like a good idea to go to that school and show them what a couple of marines could do...........

[mrbsox]

Originally posted by hillbilly_0311
jedi, my old, rusty K-Bar would do that job nicely!

S/F

nite_eyes

I can't believe you said that MARINE....

Surely a typo left the "T"out of your Trusty K-Bar :D

Ohhhhh... and I thought 'hillbilly's were from Michigan :banana:

Welcome aboard !!

Terry

[hillbilly_0311]

my trusty K-bar has been laying in my tackle box for several years, hence the "freudian slip".

S/F

hillbilly (nite_eyes)

[Old Marine]

Being a grandfather of 6 and a great grandfather of 2, I for one have seen what has happened to the youth of today.

Disipline should start at home. It does not.

Teachers should be able to disipline students. They cannot.

Children are completely out of control these day's and most of them need a good azz kicking.

I believe that a lot of this is because of the following:

Most parents these day's have to work to make ends meet and the children end up with little or no supervision when they get home from school.

With all that goes on in the public school system these day's, if I were raising children again (heaven forbid), they would have to be home schooled. At the very least they would learn Reading, Writing and Aritimetic, which seems to be more than they get in schools now.

Today, the system as a whole sucks and needs to be revamped.

It's not getting any better.

[jgorosco]

I also think that we have the ACLU to thank for alot of what is going on in this wonderful country of ours. Taking GOD out of our schools, that my friends is the beginning of the breakdown. GOD BLESS OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY and take it back from the ACLU.

[Sgted]

Originally posted by jgorosco
I also think that we have the ACLU to thank for alot of what is going on in this wonderful country of ours. Taking GOD out of our schools, that my friends is the beginning of the breakdown. GOD BLESS OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY and take it back from the ACLU.

God in schools is a good thing but even when God is absent in our schools he can be very much part of our lives at home. Kids that have parents who see to it that God is in their lives have laid down a foundation that helps kids resist this stupidity.
It starts (and remains) the job of parents to instill good stuff in their children.

The younger generation embraces a "gangsta" mentality in this country. Violence, indifference and anti-social behavior. Even the middle, upper middle and upper class children walk around like they grew up in a ghetto all the while never wanting for anything.
We are told the media (movies, music & video games) with all it's hopeless trash has no effect on our children.
At the same time we are constantly made aware of how destructive family violence is on our children. See your father beat your mother and you most likely will do the same.
Have drug abusing parents and the chance is that you'll use drugs.
But, if a child sees his music guru or sports hero abuse or use theres no problem.

It's a double standard.

And, it's BS that very little is done about.

[jgorosco]

I was trying to say that with GOD being present in school it kept a reminder in kids head, now there is no reminder except sometimes when they go home. I agree discipline starts at home. I live in an upper class part of Houston and it makes me laugh when I see these rich kids trying to be thugs. I grew up in a hispanic neighborhood were gangs were the norm, and when I see these kids I actually laugh in there face. The media, movies and sports have alot to do with it. When I was younger I hardly ever watched tv, I was always playing outside, thanks to my parents and the CORPS I became a man that still has respect for elders and for life. Like the Tim Mcgraw song goes "I miss back when"

[hillbilly_0311]

several points here i want to make. mostly just opinion, but nonetheless:
1. it seems to me that our school systems are way too top-heavy with "administration" personnel, that have absolutely nothing to do with the actual teaching of the kids. i realize that some of this is forced on the school systems by government regulations and bureacracy, as well as the mountains of red-tape and documentation, but the end result is, after paying these people their salaries, some of which are easily into six figures, there is no money left to hire good, qualified teachers, let alone build new schools. so, you end up with serious overcrowding of the schools, schools themselves that are at best, barely adequate, and young, inexperienced kids with fresh, "ink still wet", teaching certificates, that spend their day just trying to survive the madness and anarchy of the school day, and get home in one piece. disciplining the punks, or even trying to actually teach a kid something, is way down on their list of priorities, several spaces below "survival".
2. then, you have the kids that have a single parent, that is probably working 2 jobs just trying to keep a roof over their head, with no time left for parenting, teaching the child any sort of moral value system, or even checking to see if the child is actually going to school, or just spending the day "hangin'" with their friends.
3. then, you have the parents that come from the "no-discipline" generation, that dont believe in spanking, or any other discipline, for fear of hurting "little johnny's" self-esteem. these are the same people that dont want the teachers to use red ink when putting the big "F" on the kids test results and homework, for fear of putting "undue stress" on the child. they also adhere to the philosophy of allowing the child their "space", letting them express themselves artistically, (sometimes by spray-painting graffiti, defacing property paid for by us, the taxpayers, or many other forms of vandalism), and by allowing them to use disrespectful, demeaning, or some other form of bad language, to express themselves. and, when the kid resorts to violence, bullying, or some other physical form of abuse to "express" themselves, these people look the other way for fear of violating the child's "civil liberties".
4. then, you have the "high society" types, the ones that live in the million dollar homes with the 75,000 dollar automobiles in the driveway. the parents are busy with their professional careers and believe that, by giving little johnny every material thing he could possibly want, and by letting him have his little pool parties, complete with designer drugs and alcohol, they are doing an outstanding job of child-rearing. "and, no!, little johnny would never be involved with sexually abusing anyone, or bullying anyone, or being disrespectful to anyone. you must have little johnny confused with those "unsavory" types, that come from the other side of the tracks, and from those "broken" homes. little johnny would never do anything like that! why, we give him everything he could possibly want, and we know we raised him right!"
of course, i do agree that discipline is not primarily
the responsibility of the teachers. i do believe that it must begin at home, at an early age. but, the teaching system has to take responsibility for being an extension of the values taught at home. of course, when there are no values taught at home, it would be unfair to expect teachers to be the "tactical officers" when these hoodlums try to take over. you cant start disciplining these kids after they've begun committing these criminal acts. they're not much more than predatory animals by the time they get to that point.

S/F
hillbilly

[CHOPPER7199]

Right on the mark Hillbilly, I drove schoolbus for extra cash and that was a chore. Now they have at places, monators,cameras and radios to try and keep order. In my day I pulled over on side of the road with flashers on and stayed there till they got under control. I felt bad for the good kids that had duties when they got home. I got paid by the run not the time, so it was my time trying to get things in order. I went so far as brought the bus back to the barn with the kids on it and told the boss to have fun at one point. Needless to say the fall out I got from that.

[CHOPPER7199]

Need to continue, as the boss called the school and told the Superintendent what had happened and well the parents an other story. I was put on the trouble runs to square them away. lol. Had a high school kid that said hes dad wanted to get me. lmao. I told him where I lived and phone number and would welcome dad to a good conversation. Not to worry about threats from anyone as it seems this is the kind of kids that need help. The parents as you said, don,t listen or don,t want to hear it. The wife and I raised 4, 3gals and a son. They knew respect from the word go, plus manners, values and morals. Must have been a Corp. thing. Not to mention, I was raised with all of the same. S.F.

[Old Marine]

When I was a kid, the only "Rights" I had were given to me by my Father and Mother. If a kid doesn't get disipline at home he will
not have respect for anyone or anything, including himself. The disipline I got did not include spanking or yelling as my father did not believe in it. He believed that when he spoke you moved and that was the law of the land.

[OLE SARG]

Old Marine,
What you've stated is a good philosophy that most kids today lack. I was raised with loving parents but also understood what behavior was right and acceptable. When Dad said jump I didn't even ask how high. The kids today lack respect for the basics of family, respect for their parents. They get no guidance at school because the teachers have their hands tied. Hell, they can't even correct a kid without fear of parents, who instill nothing in the home environment, complaining about them "mistreating little johnny a#%hole". I've even noticed when me and the wife are out in public (restaurants and stores), parents threatening with the old "You are going to have to take a time out" threat.

Apparently, these new child-rearing philosophys are not working and we need to go back to pure old DISCIPLINE!!!!!!!!! Parents need to get back to teaching and implementing the traits of living together (respect, courtesy, etc.) again.

My rant on this subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,
OLE SARG

[Osotogary]

Old Marine, OLE SARGE, I hear both of you, except in my case both Mom and Dad were the ultimate "decision makers" for any and all matters. (Having twin sons didn't help matters any.)
Discipline at Home (circa 1949-50) Age 4-5
Scenario 1
Something mischievous happens in the house to the total chagrine of Mom.(I don't know how the heck that could happen. LOL.) She becomes highly agitated and mentions that our Dad will hear about it. Dad arrives from work. Mom tells Dad. Dad calls both twins (me and my brother) to a room for a "discussion".He asks both of us who did what and we each point at one another blaming each other. He says, "Fine, since I can't get a straight answer I'll just have to spank both of you." He spanks both of us and we both cry (spanking #1), we cry so much we start to laugh (spanking #2), we laugh so hard we pee in our pants (spanking #3). After the spanking has subsided and there is no more laughter....anywhere, Dad says since we still haven't told him who did what and the fact that he is tired he will give us the boxing gloves and have us settle it amongst ourselves as to who did what. So, in the period of, I'm thinking, one hour total, I have just had my a$$ kicked or spanked four times. Those were the days and you'd better believe that I never messed around in school while I was under my parents care.
Note: The spankings were never vicious or malicious or abusive. There was always a reason given why the spankings happened even though, as my Dad would say, no explainations were necessary because we (my brother and I) already knew what we had done wrong.

[Sgted]

Damn. I was sent to bed with no supper on my Birthday because I disobeyed a parental rule.
My Father stuck to his guns and enforced the rule even on my Birthday.
Later he would bring me up a piece of cake and explain the punishment. His explaination included the fact that he loved me.
I was 8 years old.

In my teens my Father took the keys to my '59 Chevy and my drivers licence for disobeying. The punishment lasted 1 month.

There were no "time outs" and there was no disrespect (on both our parts).
The rules were understood.
The punishment for breaking the rules was understood.

There was no "abuse" counselor to run to or negotiations.
Being confined to one's room did not mean watching a big screen TV or listening to an MP3 player, game boy, computer and there was no A/C.
It was true punishment.

[mrbsox]

Originally posted by Sgted


In my teens my Father took the keys to my '59 Chevy and my drivers licence for disobeying. The punishment lasted 1 month.

There were no "time outs" and there was no disrespect (on both our parts).
The rules were understood.
The punishment for breaking the rules was understood.



At 17 (after the ump-teenth ticket), my Mom took my drivers license, paper at the time, and handed it back in TWO pieces.

About a month later, I got to hand it to the traffic Judge.... yep, in TWO pieces.
Embarrassing as he!!, but he commended my Mother on being involved, and figured I had learned my lesson.

LOVE IS NOT ALWAYS SOFT AND MUSHY !!

[LivinSoFree]

I also think that we have the ACLU to thank for alot of what is going on in this wonderful country of ours. Taking GOD out of our schools, that my friends is the beginning of the breakdown. GOD BLESS OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY and take it back from the ACLU.

Respectfully, I don't believe that having "god in the schools" makes a bit of difference. It's not the place of teachers or administrators to teach religion. It's their job to give my kid an education on what he needs to be a productive member of society, not on a belief structure or the finer points of contested morality. That belongs, in the earlier years, at home, and later one, to the child himself (a 16 or 17 year old kid should be able to start making up his own mind about religion, in my opinion).

That does not mean, however, that teachers shouldn't be able to discipline their students or teach them the fundamentals of right and wrong (it's obvious- don't lie, cheat, steal, etc.). How about instead of touchy feeley "Character Education" or "Building a Religious Foundation," we avoid that problem entirely and teach Corps Values.

Honor, Courage, Committment, gents. The rest is details.

[jgorosco]

LivinSoFree

I didn't mean that teachers should teach religion to our kids. What I was getting out was about prayer and pledge of alligiance to our flag and country. Thats what I meant. And I agree with your other points especially CORPS values, but our VALUES are for a special breed. NOT for every swingin' d**K or suzy rotten Cr**ch.

[Sparky1833]

I beleive in one thing, " Its either One Nation under God or bite my ass and leave " Thank you all for the imput here on this topic !

[Osotogary]

Sgted,
I was once told to get my plate, along with my eating utensils, get off my chair and eat under the table with the dog because I had my elbows on the table as I was eating. The explaination was that since I didn't have any manners ..... heck, you'll just have to eat with the dog. Thinking about it, even now, the punishment sure seemed quite unorthodox and severe but on a lighter side I was able to dispose of all the food that I didn't want to eat, especially the spinach, to our Boxer "Lady". How the heck she liked the spinach I'll never know (must have been the bacon bits) and after a short time, when I was told to come and sit with the rest of the civilized folks, I was commended for eating all of my food...even the spinach. LMAO. To this day, however, I do not eat with my elbows fully planted on the dining table and irony of irony...I now like spinach.

[LivinSoFree]

I beleive in one thing, " Its either One Nation under God or bite my ass and leave " Thank you all for the imput here on this topic !

Respectfully Sgt, that's not part of the Constitution I swore an oath to. It's the same reason I'm OK with the anti-war protesters, the crazy ultra-right or ultra-left wingers, etc. I'm fighting to defend their rights as well as those of every other American citizen, and them getting out there and being pushy about their cause, while in one way personally distasteful, is to me actually the fruits of my labor... In many other countries, those labeled as undesirable or distasteful would be drug off or shot. Let 'em protest, all it means to me is that what I've been doing is worth it, even if they don't get it.

[Wyoming]

Originally posted by LivinSoFree


Respectfully Sgt, that's not part of the Constitution I swore an oath to. It's the same reason I'm OK with the anti-war protesters, the crazy ultra-right or ultra-left wingers, etc. I'm fighting to defend their rights as well as those of every other American citizen, and them getting out there and being pushy about their cause, while in one way personally distasteful, is to me actually the fruits of my labor... In many other countries, those labeled as undesirable or distasteful would be drug off or shot. Let 'em protest, all it means to me is that what I've been doing is worth it, even if they don't get it.

Each person has their opinion.

Check the profiles, the Vietnam Vets don't all think the same way as you do.

Punks like this need an ass whipping, and it should have taken place years ago, at home, and Jane Fonda can still rear up and kiss my rebel ass!!

[LivinSoFree]

Punks like this need an ass whipping, and it should have taken place years ago, at home, and Jane Fonda can still rear up and kiss my rebel ass!!

I'll drink to that... my tolerance only goes so far.

[Toby M]

I'v been around a few years, ( now a retired law enforecment officer) but I don't I remember ever hearing about anyone being so totally lacking in morals or remorse that would commit such an act! My heart goes out to this child and her family. Almost as important, is the question in my mind-where does this (or these...) schools get off thinking they don't have to take responsibility? Did they think it would be okay to just "shove" the matter under the table? No consience? No caring for a fellow human? God help us all...

[larry0351]

I coach football at the jr. high, and I see all kinds of kids. But it seems to me that its the trouble makers are the ones who make the most fun. I personally take them aside and make their young lives a living hell. By the time practice is over they are almost crawling to mommy and daddy. But we can only do so much,parents need to stop being buddies and start being what these kids need.A parent who is not afraid to put these little pieces of sh#t in there place.

[Francie]

I was single mother for many years. I had to work to put food on the table and a roof over our heads. But my children were my main focus in life. I raised them with the Marine Core Values (though I didn't know it at the time).

I taught them to be respectful, to be obedient, and to follow the rules. The concept was very simple; "This is not a democracy, you do not have a say in how this house is run."

The consequences were also very clear; loss of priveleges, grounding, or spanking depending on the age and the infraction.

They came from a "broken home" with an abusive father. In spite of that they grew up to be honorable, productive, responsible adults.

The end result? My son is now in bootcamp at San Diego and my daughter is in her last year of college going for a teaching certificate.

I guess my point is, having a single parent, coming from a broken home....those are excuses for bad behavior, not reasons.

Parents need to take an active role in their children's lives. At school, on the playground, anywhere their children go. Parents need to know where their children are, what they're doing, and who they're doing it with. They need to set specific guidelines and then enforce them.

Little Johnny's self esteem will not be harmed if he doesn't have the latest video game or most fashionable clothes or the best car. However, he will suffer if he doesn't respect others or their property. He will suffer if he believes that the world "owes" him because he had a "hard life".

I'm betting the kids in the article were never held responsible for their actions, never suffered the consequences of bad behavior, and the school compounded that by trying to sweep the incident under the rug.

Kudos to the girl's father for calling the police. Although I have to say that if it were my daughter, the little punks never would have made it to the police station, at least not without an "accidental" fall along the way.

[cajunguy]

Well said, Fancie.

And in regards to your kids . . . Outstanding job on your part. Congrats.

[larry0351]

This is to the single mom. My wife and I are raising two kids,and its rough on us.So I can imagine how hard it must have been for you. All I can say is you did a great job,and I wish there was more parents like you.

[kentmitchell]

And that principal and assistant principal can vote.

[hillbilly_0311]

thank you for that reply, wrestler07! i heartily agree with you that it isnt fair to group all of your generation into one category. actually, i have a nephew in the Naval Academy right now, who is , as far as i'm concerned, the direct opposite of the "undisciplined, lazy, and disrespectful" youth that we are all too familiar with, and see on the streets everyday. is he an exception? i dont think so. but i do think that where he is now goes back to the way he was raised, with good moral standards and a firm understanding of right and wrong. and i challenge you, wrestler07, to mentor, admonish where necessary, share, and pressure as you see fit, your generation's "loose cannons", showing them that with a value system such as yours, they can "be somebody", can do something useful in their young lives, and can avoid the stigma placed upon them by us old farts as being nothing but a bunch of "losers" the challenge is there, will you rise to it?

S/F
hillbilly

[jo1753]

I don't know most of the answers.........H*ll on a good day I might know some of the questions.........lol

But I do agree with things going down hill....after God was kicked out of our public school systems. Was that the do all and end all leading to our youth spiralling down hill.? NO but it sure helped push it along alot.

To say kids in GENERAL now days are danderous would be an understatement. H*LL back in the 60's 70's kids could be dangerous....... Now they have graduated from dangerous at times. To down right leathal........ Think back.........when alot of us were in school and had problems with others............What usually would result from such a thing...? Perhaps a bloody nose, scraps and bruise.

Now days these kids/young adults don't think twice.......... of going home and coming back with daddys gun and capping a bunch of people.

Our laws are way to lenient on minors in this country. If a "KID" is old enough to take a life.............They should be old enough to forfeit their own life.

Im all for meeting force with force in most situations. And nothing would make me happier then to see the punks.......little wanna-be gang bangers..........Walking the straight and narrow.

But I really doubt it will happen........These kids have more rights and like the parent here with the two teachers in the family already said...............Teachers are so restricted from doing what needs to be done.


But your suggestion of Marines partolling sure sounds good...!!!

Semper-Fi

God bless the Corps

[mrbsox]

FOCUS Marines..... FOCUS !!

My rants on the subject, and then I'll hush.

Is it the youth, or their role models, parents, peers ??

Trying to look through the fog of the media, I see that these acts are perpertrated by misguided and undiscliplined people.
A product of their environment !!

These ARE motivated, active minded people. They are looking for something.... ANYTHING.... that will satisfy their 'here and now'.
These are not unmotivated 'couch potatoes'. This brings me back to their environment, or LACK thereof.

Is it lenient laws, or parents ??
Perhaps a lenient society in general, that doesn't confront these matters head on. Instead, we close (and lock) our doors, and let 'the law' protect us.

I consider myself lucky, that I have never had to face down one of these situations. 6 kids, the youngest a Junior in High school now, and so far so good.
Close calls... sure.
But I like to think that a back ground of ultimantly know right from wrong prevailed. And they were allowed to learn 'the hard lesson', rather than Mom or I running behind them to cover their tracks.

All I'm ranting about is... DON'T blame the kids, blindly.
A dog acts, they way it is taught / raised.
As our youth grow, their minds are SPONGES.... absorbing all they can. You spend a lifetime soaking up sh!t... and that is what you will get when you wring out the sponge.

Who raised these kids ??
Again, I think I would have to turn myself in to the police, AFTER I had my way with the kids.... AND their parents.

Terry

[jo1753]

Focus......? whats their to focus on...... Can you honestly say your kids are being schooled...........Like kids were when you were in school...?

H*ll I remember sassing a teacher and he gave me the back of his hand across the mouth. Then told me to go to the boys room to stop my bloody nose.......Then after school he called my home and when I got in.........I got another from my Mother for making the teacher call.

No the Kids don't set down laws.........rules.......regs of any kind. But they sure know how to play with the rules for their benefit.

How many school shootings do you remember during your school years...? Now....think, in the last 10-12 years.........how many do you recall..??? Is it all the parents faults......... h*ll no it's our judicial system and the judges. But do you think for one moment these kids don't realize this also...? Hence............. the term playing the system.

I feel you can only blame the parents for so much of this crap..!!
H*ll.......alot of these kids..............would run to the law if one of their parents did.........what is actually needed to be done. and these kids know it too.

Oh bye the way...im a father of 6 also oldest 34 youngest 22

Semper-Fi

God bless the Corps

[mrbsox]

I said I'd hush...
But let me clarify.

What I'm trying to point out is that, in MY opinion, there is too much emphasis on the kids, the school system, the judicial system, and even society itself.

It's NOT the schools job to raise our children.
It's NOT the courts job to teach them right from wrong.
It's NOT societys job to make them better citizens.

I'm saying, that the FOCUS should be more on the parents.

It's the PARENTS that told the school they couldn't spank little Johnny, the same PARENT that didn't teach right from wrong.

It's the PARENTS that sue the courts over little Janie having to say the Pledge or remain silent for a few seconds every day, the same PARENT that doesn't teach respect and honor.

It's the PARENTS of these kids, that dictate what society will allow to be acceptable, the same parent that screams 'Civil Liberties' when ever they don't want to get off their a$$ and do what's their parental responsibility.

I'm saying... the FOCUS should be more on the parents of these children.
Florida has a gun law, that basicly states that if a MINOR is allowed unsupervised access to a handgun, the OWNER of the weapon is held accountable for the actions.

Sounds GOOD to me. Children LEARN responsibility from their parents. If the parent (adult) is NOT responsible, what will the 'sponge' absorb ??

And it sounds like YOU (and the Mrs.) made sure that your children KNEW the differences. Sounds like you didn't pass the responsibility of raising YOUR kids off onto the schools, and teachers.

Semper Fi

[Old Marine]

Parents are and should be responsible for the actions of their children at all times.

I believe it starts with respect.

Children must first respect themselves, then respect others, then respect property and so on right down the line.

[jo1753]

Originally posted by mrbsox
I said I'd hush...
But let me clarify.

What I'm trying to point out is that, in MY opinion, there is too much emphasis on the kids, the school system, the judicial system, and even society itself.

It's NOT the schools job to raise our children.
It's NOT the courts job to teach them right from wrong.
It's NOT societys job to make them better citizens.

I'm saying, that the FOCUS should be more on the parents.

It's the PARENTS that told the school they couldn't spank little Johnny, the same PARENT that didn't teach right from wrong.

It's the PARENTS that sue the courts over little Janie having to say the Pledge or remain silent for a few seconds every day, the same PARENT that doesn't teach respect and honor.

It's the PARENTS of these kids, that dictate what society will allow to be acceptable, the same parent that screams 'Civil Liberties' when ever they don't want to get off their a$$ and do what's their parental responsibility.

I'm saying... the FOCUS should be more on the parents of these children.
Florida has a gun law, that basicly states that if a MINOR is allowed unsupervised access to a handgun, the OWNER of the weapon is held accountable for the actions.

Sounds GOOD to me. Children LEARN responsibility from their parents. If the parent (adult) is NOT responsible, what will the 'sponge' absorb ??

And it sounds like YOU (and the Mrs.) made sure that your children KNEW the differences. Sounds like you didn't pass the responsibility of raising YOUR kids off onto the schools, and teachers.

Semper Fi

mrbsox .....your right and most of that i'd have to agree with.
Another area I may have been a bit different from some parents in my thinking was.............. I never automatically took one side over another when listening to Kids Vs. teachers squabbles. or complaints. Seems like some parents..........Just go into a protective type mode, not listening to anything except their child.
What kind of message does this send out to the kids...?

Semper-Fi

God bless the Corps

[steve evans]

Well here in the United Kingdom some of the kids are right pains.

On my car I have a simple sticker which says Royal Marines with the Globe and Laurel inbetween the two words. Thats all, nothing else. Just something I did for myself and do for a few fellow Royal Marines all around the world.

This one little git decided he was going to have it. Shame he didnt have a lookout posted really. I came up behind him, grabbed his belt and yanked the git upright with much venom and satisfaction in knowing that I may have extended his career as a choirboy!

On another occasion in the village where I live we have these Charity bags put though our letter boxes. If we have stuff to give to the charities we fill the bags and leave them outside the night before for the people to pick up in the morning.

One Friday morning I came out of the house to see all these bags had been kicked all over the place by the Local "Hardmen" a bunch of pains all about 16/17 years old. Old clothes, bits of crockery were everywhere.

A few weeks later another bag came through the letterbox. I left it outside. The wife heard the screams round about 2300hrs. Well if your going to kick a bag full of bricks your going to break your foot aint yer?!?

I had that nice warm happy feeling you get when you know you've done summut good for the world in general. Too Wit made some ignorant little git suffer!!! That'll learn em!

Steve Evans