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thedrifter
04-09-05, 02:55 PM
Oil: Cheap at Twice the Price
Tired of paying $2.30 per gallon? Think gasoline is way too expensive? Think again, Greenhouse breath.

I remember paying almost that much twenty years ago. Gasoline is astoundingly cheap. It is probably the best deal around. Corrected for inflation, oil ought to be above six dollars a gallon. This, in spite of the fact that worldwide consumption has exploded. This in spite of the fact that, due to the onerous environmental regulations passed by the tree huggers with the support of their sycophantic Democrat congressmen, leading to unreasonably high construction costs, there has been no increase in physical refining capacity in several decades. This of course doesn't mean that there has been no increase in capacity at all. The "evil" oil companies have heinously conspired to improve refining technology and thereby increase production using the facilities constructed in the '50s and '60s.

All of the above being true, we still hear Americans whining about the "high price of gasoline." Most vocal among those critics are the liberals harping about the "greedy oil companies gouging the public." This from the very people responsible for the current situation. If you want to lower oil prices, open up drilling in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge. How about drilling offshore in Kalifornia? It's okay for Texans and the other citizens of southern states (crackers? rednecks? hayseeds?) to live with the problems resulting from offshore drilling, but the state that consumes the most gasoline in the nation, the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, must not endanger its pristine coasts. It's not okay for the voting illiterati in Florida to drill off of their coasts. Why not? Because a few fish might be killed? Because the pretty scenery might be blemished? Well then shut-up. If your not willing to make a few sacrifices, then you've got no right to whine about oil prices.

The National Center for Policy Analysis E-Team has suggested just such radical actions. A summary of their proposals can be read on the US Newswire webpage (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=45482).

You want fuel cells? Hydrogen is available from two sources, refineries (the preferred source, meaning that you are still consuming oil) and hydrolysis of seawater (requiring tremendous amounts of energy, usually nuclear). Ethanol? Production of ethanol consumes more energy than it generates. Get that? It has a negative energy balance. This means that it will be more expensive than gasoline...absent the government subsidies.

You want lower energy prices? For now, start drilling in the places that are set aside, such as ANWR, Florida, and California. While we are doing that, revise the overwhelming regulations on the construction of coal fired power plants and refineries, and begin constructing them. The industry has proven time and again that they are capable of constructing safe, reliable, non-polluting, plants. Then we can begin funding research on more efficient methods of coal gasification and liquefaction. There's a lot of coal out there, but to fully develop it will require time and money.

In the meantime, stop whining and suck it up; otherwise, get a bicycle and start pumping.


Ellie

Wyoming
04-09-05, 05:42 PM
Can I get the link for this article.

I'll be sending it out soon to a bunch of folks.

thedrifter
04-09-05, 06:04 PM
Here You Go.....bigalholmes165



Ellie


http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/malven/2005/04/oil-cheap-at-twice-price.html

Sgt Sostand
04-14-05, 07:17 AM
This Country is going to kill it self from with in Bush and his Oil Buds

eddief
04-14-05, 10:41 AM
We pay less for gas than most other places in the world. That's why I laugh when I hear people whining about gas prices. They don't know how damn good they have it.

Ed Palmer
04-14-05, 10:53 AM
why dont they bicxh about paying $4.00 a gallon for water

Sgted
04-14-05, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Ed Palmer
why dont they bicxh about paying $4.00 a gallon for water

Because they don't NEED water.
But your right Ed, we'll pay big bucks for designer coffee or amusement park tickets but ***** about gas.

Osotogary
04-14-05, 12:03 PM
"Living large" is taking a huge dent out of our oil and petroleum resouces. A Hummer salesperson told me that down here in South Florida more Hummers are sold than anywhere else in the country and that figure may include Canada's sale totals. I asked him who the blazes buys a Hummer and he said that most people who buy them buy them because of the toy status involved with owning one. If that's the case...I'm not impressed. I'd be more impressed if everyone who owns one for "toy status" paints them camoflage, puts some armor plating on them and donates them to our Armed Forces for use by the "grunts". Now that would impress me.
Living large for the toy status of it definitely is draining our resources. Regardless of oil prices.

mrbsox
04-14-05, 01:23 PM
How come 'trash' reclaimation hasn't caught on ??

Take the cities (days worth of) trash to the hopper pit, dump it. Controlled burn in the 2400 degree range reduces NOX formations, ash emissions are controlled in 'scrubber' towers, the heat drives reclaiming steam generators, which powers the city offices.

Then 1 dump truck hauls the 'clinkers' off to the land fill.
You have jobs, a cleaner city, free power, and trees to hug !!

If govt is serious about subsidising (sp?) an alternative fuel source, why not our own garbage ??
Any towns out there NOT having trouble with their landfills ??

Sgted
04-14-05, 01:29 PM
Ahmen Osotgary.

I'm sure most of you can remember the oil embargos of the 70's & 80's.
After that scare American's started to get economical.
Smaller vehicles that were more fuel efficient.
If you saw an advertizement for a car they always flashed gas mileage up on the TV screen or in the newspaper or magazine.
That idea went "bye, bye" when we forgot that the middle east (an other oil producing countries) have literally got us by the b*lls.

Actually, our dependence on foreign oil is a matter of national security.
We'll ignor that until these countries shut off the spigot.
Then we'll wise up for a minute followed shortly by going back to our old ways.
Already the fickle American has slowed down on buying big land barges putting a hurt on domestic sales.

And....mrbsox...America is not serious about alternate energy.

eddief
04-14-05, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Osotogary
"Living large" is taking a huge dent out of our oil and petroleum resouces. A Hummer salesperson told me that down here in South Florida more Hummers are sold than anywhere else in the country and that figure may include Canada's sale totals. I asked him who the blazes buys a Hummer and he said that most people who buy them buy them because of the toy status involved with owning one. If that's the case...I'm not impressed. I'd be more impressed if everyone who owns one for "toy status" paints them camoflage, puts some armor plating on them and donates them to our Armed Forces for use by the "grunts". Now that would impress me.
Living large for the toy status of it definitely is draining our resources. Regardless of oil prices.

I think it has more to do with them compensating for something that doesn't measure up.

Catz1611
04-14-05, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Sgted


Because they don't NEED water.
But your right Ed, we'll pay big bucks for designer coffee or amusement park tickets but ***** about gas. That's understandable if you look it in perspective..For example..here in Oceanside, Diesle is almost 3.00 a gallon..about 2.56 for regular (depending on where you go) if your car doesn't get good gas milage then you're having to put gas in your car/truck every other day..that puts a good sized dent in the ole wallet after a while.. whereas, you're not going to the Amuzement parks every other day, nor do you have to go to them... but you HAVE to buy gas...soo..you can see where having to deal with outrageous gas prices would get frustrating..

Wyoming
04-15-05, 08:11 AM
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=45482 (http://)

Read the link in the original post. Interesting.

Being in the oil & gas industry for the last 35 years gives me no sympathy for the whining and crying of rising gas prices.

When we drill a hole in the ground searching for oil or gas, we have absolutely no guarantee of success.

Industry average is 8 'dry' holes for every 10 drilled in the exploratory mode. An exploration well costs at the bare minimum of 10M dollars and goes up quickly from there.

Just finished a well that tested ~4000 barrels of oil per day. When will the consumer see any of that oil? SEVERAL years. Pipelines, etc., etc.

Refineries are needed and tree huggers need to go away. The oil industry is not interested in polluting the environment. Major efforts are taken to ensure that nothing escapes.

Go to the UK, they’re paying a bunch more than you are here in the States. Then again, they conserve. If you drive a Hummer or huge SUV, it’s your choice.

Sorry, I rant.

GunnyL
04-15-05, 11:09 AM
I love how these dumb a** liberals like to blame Bush and the Oil Companies for the current gas prices. It's they that have caused the current situation. We haven't built a new refinery in this country in over 30 years thanks to liberals. We have made ourselves mostly dependent on Foreign Oil sources by preventing the drilling of our own natural reserves again thanks to liberals.
The oil refineries have to produce dozens of different grades of Gasoline because different states have different restrictions again thanks to liberals. If the refineries only had to produce a select few grades and formulas then production would increase.
If we built new refineries production would increase and if we drilled our own reserves, we would reduce our dependence on foreign sources. Right now, China is buying up all of the natural resources around the world, just like Japan did prior to WII. China is going to introduce 10,000,000 new vehicles onto their roads this year, that is also adding to the price influx per barrell on the markets. We wanted a capitalist Chinese Economy and now we are paying the price for it.
The problem with Dumb A** liberals is that they don't research anything, they just repeat what other Dumb A** liberals have told them and the cycle continues. Blame Bush and his Oil Cronies! That's why you won't see any changes anytime soon. So suck it up and shell out the cash. Hell, I was paying $4.50 a gallon in Japan 15 years ago.

GunnyL

eddief
04-15-05, 03:02 PM
GunnyL
Do you want an oil refinery within shouting distance of you? Most people I know, conservative or liberal, don't want them in their neck of the woods.

GunnyL
04-15-05, 10:17 PM
Trust me eddief, there is enough open space to put in refineries that won't put them in your back yard or mine. Bottom line is, we need them or we need to go with consistent grades and blends of gasoline across all 50 states. I gave several options that have all been blocked by liberals. Don't get me wrong, I don't towe the RNC Party line, but Liberal's have F***'d this country up. I'm a card carrying member of the Sierra Club but that doesn't mean I agree with every single thing that comes out of their mouths. I believe in preserving the environment but within reason. Some of them are complete whack jobs. I was a 1391 (Bulk Fuel Specialist) when I was in the Fleet and I was an Environmental Manager for a Squadron when I was at Camp Pendleton.

GunnyL