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thedrifter
03-01-05, 07:31 AM
Not all Parris Island recruits become Marines
Published Sun, Feb 27, 2005

By GEOFF ZIEZULEWICZ
The Beaufort Gazette
Michelle Sloan knew she wanted to be a Marine for as long as she could remember. Her dad, grandfather and brothers are all Marines, and she felt the Corps' pull from an early age.
At 23, the Minnesota resident said she enlisted as much out of a desire to join as the fact that she was dead broke at the time. A week later, she arrived at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island. Three weeks later, she left.

"That is my whole military experience," the 33-year-old said last week.

Although rare, some recruits like Sloan trying to make their way through the depot end up leaving before graduation.

In the past five years, rates for those who leave early have stayed around 10 percent for men and 20 percent for women, according to Parris Island officials. Between 20,000 and 30,000 recruits pass through the depot every year.

Jason Tharp's family said the 19-year-old Parris Island recruit had written to them saying he wanted to leave before he drowned in the depot pool on Feb. 8 during training.

Tharp's father, John Tharp, said from his home in Sutton, W. Va., this month that his son had wanted to leave the depot after the first week, but that he didn't know if his son had formally requested a release. Jason Tharp was in his 25th day of training when he died.

"He was quiet and shy," John Tharp said. "I don't know if he would have said anything."

Tharp's death has gained national attention as a result of a Columbia television station releasing footage of a depot drill instructor grabbing and hitting the recruit a day before his death. The footage was shot as part of an unrelated story.

Since then, five Parris Island Marines have been suspended pending the results of three investigations into the recruit's death.

And while Parris Island officials say the ongoing investigations won't allow them to comment on Tharp's training or if he had initiated any procedures to leave the depot, they insist there is a "dynamic process" in place that separates those recruits who really should leave from those who are just experiencing the frustration, loneliness and difficulty that accompanies their transformation into Marines.

A Different Life on the Island

Sloan said she realized almost immediately upon arrival at Parris Island that the Corps wasn't for her.

The Minnesota woman had been through drug treatment before enlisting, and the slower, tranquil pace taught during her recovery was in contrast to the fast and grueling Parris Island lifestyle.

"It's a different mentality for drug treatment -- more 'easy does it' and 'be gentle with yourself'," she said, adding that she had battled bulimia and the fast eating pace in training held disturbing reminders of her past disorder. She also didn't feel nutritionally sound and had back problems, which she signed a waiver for, but proved problematic during training.

"The most grueling thing for me was when I had to hold my rifle in front of me, and raise it up and down over and over again," Sloan said. "It's very tiring and very heavy. Having to stand completely still without flinching was also grueling."

"Sometimes it's just a matter of getting over that hump," depot spokesman Capt. Jamie Nott said of the difficulties recruits face during the opening stages of their 12-week training. "I had to get over that hump, and we see that and expect that."

The adaptation process to military life and subsequent loss of freedom can be jarring for all recruits, not just those who say they want to drop.

"You're going from a life where you could do things on your own terms, and you walk into this environment where you are doing everything on other people's terms," he said.

When recruits express any kind of regret for signing up, or their performance and motivation lag, the first step of what Nott called the Corps' "dynamic process" of recruit separation begins.

The senior drill instructor for the recruit's platoon sits the recruit down and speaks to him or her about how he or she is feeling, Nott said.

"The senior drill instructor is kind of like big daddy," he said. "He has a paternal role in the platoon, and sometimes a recruit just wants somebody to talk to."

Sloan said she remembered a few of the pep talks, and how they would temporarily make her feel better.

"Your pep talk totally changes your view," she said. "It's like being in a war situation where you have to go on and do the best you can, but my mind was set to leave."

If the talks don't work, Nott said the recruit is considered for trial training by the series commander who oversees that recruit's platoon. Trial training is similar to academic probation and a recruit receives extra supervision and counseling.

The timelines for trial training vary, and at the end, three options are considered, Nott said. The recruit may return to normal training, the process to release them from training can be initiated, or the recruit can be "recycled" down to a platoon that is at a lower level.

With new companies of recruits beginning their training 42 weeks a year, Nott said recycling a recruit is not difficult.

"There's always some company they can be rolled back to," he said.

If the decision is made by various officers to release the recruit, they are placed in a separate platoon for anywhere from a few days to a week as their paperwork is sorted out, Nott said, and are assigned odd jobs.

When a recruit quits, there are a variety of causes that can be cited. These causes can be based on health factors or a failure to adapt. Fraudulent aspects of a recruit's enlistment can be cause for release if they lied to recruiters about health problems or criminal matters.

"For a recruit to be dropped in any case is a pretty serious thing," Nott said. "It's not too many people who are here under those circumstances. It's usually just a matter of getting over the hump."

Today's recruits know that they will not be serving in peace time before they enlist, he said.

"These men and women know what's going on in the world," Nott said. "They know what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they know they could end up going there."

A Harsh Homecoming

Sloan said she was yelled at a bit when she was filing her forms for separation from the Corps.

"They said, 'What a waste of the government's money,'" she said. "It was a guilt trip."

The return to her Marine family in Minnesota wasn't easy either.

"They didn't know about it until I called them from the airport in Minnesota, and they were mad and embarrassed," Sloan said. "It was a pride thing."

As she rode in a taxi down the long causeway to the gates of Parris Island and toward the outside world on a sunny January morning in 1994, Sloan said she was filled with relieved melancholy.

"I had this profound respect of the Marine Corps. I love it and I was kind of ashamed at the time," said Sloan, who now works in foster care and raises horses in Minnesota. "The Marine Corps was what I had wanted, but I wasn't ready."

Contact Geoff Ziezulewicz at 986-5531 or geoffz@beaufortgazette.com.


The Drifter's Wife

Ellie

Lock-n-Load
03-01-05, 09:24 AM
:marine: wasn't good enough to be a W/Marine...her checked past didn't help her get motivated in a military way...she's now a USMC reject/weakling...her true place is in the Big Easy [civilian life] where one excuse after another soothes their shortcomings...it was a waste of Government money...I think all of us who craved to be a US Marine saw other Michelles in their boot platoons...she is not unique but simply not good enough to be a W/Marine, either!!. Semper Fi, Marines :marine:

Old Marine
03-01-05, 10:02 AM
I bet her back dosen't hurt when she rides her horses.

At least some good Marine DI doesn't have to lose sleep over her.

LivinSoFree
03-01-05, 10:11 AM
she had battled bulimia and the fast eating pace in training held disturbing reminders of her past disorder. She also didn't feel nutritionally sound

Sounds like a case of "sand," as my Senior used to say, if you catch my drift... "Not nutritionally sound?" Of course not! It's not a d*mn health spa! Someone should've told her to suck it the h*ll up... pain is inevitable. Beyond that, that's probably the most "nutritionally sound" she's ever been, given that Navy medical officers design every aspect of those menus to be EXACTLY what recruits need...

This woman doesn't even know what "disturbing reminders" are... ask a Marine who got shot up in Fallujah what kind of a "disturbing reminder" a backfiring car is...

jinelson
03-01-05, 01:03 PM
What a whiney non hacking puke that doesent have a clue. I hit the yellow foot steps with 127 other wannabes in 67 and we graduated with 87 Marines. Its all part of the weeding process.

Those are some good observations Meyer.

yellowwing
03-01-05, 02:53 PM
She sounds like a "composite" made up by the reporter. Or she herself made it all up.

I can't see any USMC Recruiter allowing her to ship. Drug-Rehab and Bulimia? Bulimia is some serious ****e! Ask any physician, nurse, or Corpsman.

richgitz
03-01-05, 06:00 PM
"THE FEW THE PROUD" Nothing more Nothing less.

Nagalfar
03-01-05, 06:14 PM
Like she said.. ""The Marine Corps was what I had wanted, but I wasn't ready.".. to that I say wish in one hand and sh*t in the other see what one fills up first..

James F. Owings
03-02-05, 06:13 PM
----- At least the Corps makes it far easier to get rid of *mistakes* now. During the Vietnam War D.I.s were under massive pressure to crank out bodies for "Replacement draft, FMF..."

----- D.I.s would often write on the 5x8 cards of a recruit that they were dropping to other units or Motivation Platoon, or the "Pig Farm" or other... that said recruit was a waste of time for the Corps and should be dropped as "untrainable..." It might take several months of the recruits bouncing around and piling up cards from various D.I.s before the brass would give in to the inevitable...

----- I spent some time in Graduate Casual (paperwork snafu) before being sent up to ITR. Saw many of those cards... One large stack in particular... Fellow was built like fullback but unfit for the world... let alone the Corps...

----- Not only every D.I. that he had begged for him to be dropped, but even the Chaplain told the D.I.s that the kid was hopeless (he also said not to send the kid to him again for anything but pure religious needs). He got in fights over such issues as: "You guys talk dirty..." "I don't want to read the Guidebook, I want to read the Bible..." "My dog is a virgin..." "I want to talk to my mother..."

____ This kid was dropped many times... Motivation, Pig Farm, Medical Rehab platoon, and countless training platoons. The card written by his last Platoon Commander delivered a scathing attack on the system... saying that the brass should have figured out something from the first entry on the first card "Showed Private Cox how to do a left face 28 times today... Private Cox can still not do a left face..."

----- Seems that the last straw that got the kid out of the loop and over to "The Crazy Farm" was the fact that he achieved, his last time at the range... "... a blazing score of 70..." It took 3 months to process the poor kid out. Whatever the faults of today's weeding out process at the MCRDs, it is almost certainly light years better...

-----Jim-----

lprkn
03-02-05, 10:26 PM
Well, now she can go back to her therapists, who will stroke her ego and tell her that it's okay that she failed, a clear pattern in her life.

If I had that many ancestors and family members who were Marines, I'd rather die than come home with some pity-me story about the "eating pace" or some such trash.

I hope that she finds some use for herself, instead of becoming a perpetual drain on society. Looks like it may already be too late, she's 23.



...A mercy killing (our mercy, not hers) may be in order.

Arlene Horton
03-02-05, 11:24 PM
The Corps lucked out when she left. Shouldn't have enlisted in the first place with her background. Bad news all around. Glad she left before she wasted any more of the government's money. I wouldn't trust her to do her part even if she did complete boot. We don't need "leakers" in the Marine Corps.
Semper Fi Arlene

THATFEMALE
03-03-05, 12:46 AM
Why do people down play things? I guess it really is "The Few, The Proud." That's okay we don't need that type of female in our Corp anyways. Semper FI to all my females out their who had what it took to become a Marine. :marine:

hrscowboy
03-03-05, 01:46 AM
WE DONT NEED ANY FEMALES IN MY BELOVED MARINE CORPS THATS THE BUTTOM LINE...

Patty_McOorah
03-03-05, 01:52 AM
Of course we do. Admin, supply, and logistical issues need to be done in the rear. Why keep marines that could be fighting back in the rear pushing paper?

hrscowboy
03-03-05, 01:58 AM
OMY well sgt some of those admins, supply and logistical people that your talking about i would have not wanted anywhere around me. I have often wondered if these where the people that didnt qualify at the range too well..

Patty_McOorah
03-03-05, 02:09 AM
This is true. But we need guys to jump on gernades and lay down covering fire. They have always said the most dangerous marine is a marksman. i really dont remember the rationale behind that, but I remember it being said at the range by the PMI

hrscowboy
03-03-05, 02:17 AM
The next thing i am gonna hear is that a WM Marine is going to be a commanding officer of a Marine Recon Unit and when that day comes This is one Marine that will fly to Washington DC and lay my ribbons and medals on the desk of the Commandant of the Marine Corps and say respectfully that this dog wont hunt no more....