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jinelson
02-21-05, 01:49 AM
Updated: 10:07 PM EST
U.S. Reportedly in Secret Talks With Iraqi Insurgents


AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 20) - U.S. diplomats and intelligence officers are conducting secret talks with Iraq's Sunni insurgents on ways to end fighting there, Time magazine reported on Sunday, citing Pentagon and other sources.

The Bush administration has said it would not negotiate with Iraqi fighters and there is no authorized dialogue but the U.S. is having "back-channel" communications with certain insurgents, unidentified Washington and Iraqi sources told the magazine.

The magazine cited a secret meeting between two members of the U.S. military and an Iraqi negotiator, a middle-aged former member of Saddam Hussein's regime and the senior representative of what he called the nationalist insurgency.

A U.S. officer tried to get names of other insurgent leaders while the Iraqi complained the new Shi'ite-dominated government was being controlled by Iran, according to an account of the meeting provided by the Iraqi negotiator.

"We are ready to work with you," the Iraqi negotiator said, according to Time.

Iraqi insurgent leaders not aligned with al Qaeda ally Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi told the magazine several nationalist groups composed of what the Pentagon calls "former regime elements" have become open to negotiating.

The insurgents said their aim was to establish a political identity that can represent disenfranchised Sunnis.

The White House had no immediate comment on the report.

When asked about the contacts, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a member of both the Senate foreign relations and intelligence committees, said it was important to "reach out" in Iraq.

"We've got a very complicated and dangerous situation over there and you are going to have to reach out, you are going to have to develop some relationships and networks," he said on CNN's "Late Edition."

Controversial Iraqi politician Ahmad Chalabi said on Sunday the outcome of any negotiations between insurgents and the U.S. military would not be binding for a new Iraqi government.

"I know nothing about such negotiations. Those negotiations will in no way bind the elected government of Iraq," he said in an interview with ABC's "This Week." "The issue here is not negotiating with the killers who are killing the Iraqi people."

yellowwing
02-21-05, 04:40 AM
The 20% minority Sunnis are finding that they have made a deal with the devil in supporting the outside Wahhabi insurgents.


US, Iraqis launch anti-insurgent drive
Albany Times Union, NY, Feb 21, 2005 (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=199659&category=&BCCode=&newsdate=2/21/2005)
...Meanwhile, a powerful Sunni organization believed to have ties with the insurgents sought to condemn the weekend attacks that left nearly 100 Iraqis dead.

"We won't remain silent over those crimes which target the Iraqi people Sunnis or Shiites, Islamic or non-Islamic," Sheik Harith al-Dhari, of the Association Muslim Scholars, told a news conference.

Iraqis, he said, should unite "against those who are trying to incite hatred between us."

They include Iraq's leading terror mastermind, the Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In a letter to Osama bin Laden found on a captured al-Qaida courier last year, al-Zarqawi proposed starting a civil war between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite Muslims

..."I am not afraid simply because we are in Iraq living like the dead." said Abdel Zahra Farhoud, a 55-year-old farmer. "The Wahhabi extremist groups have turned our lives to hell."


It is the well financed Wahhabi system that sets ups schools that train new clerics in the extreme side of Islam.

These new clerics are then sent out into the world to feed and educate the poor. But their other mission is also to recruit terrorist. Terrorists that strike in Asia and Iraq.

So any efforts to dissuage the Iraqi Sunnis away from these evil ba*stards is worth the money.

HardJedi
02-21-05, 07:13 AM
does it REALLY suprise anyone, that sooner or later we would start negotiating with people that we said we wouldn't? such is the way of government. (especially when they think they look bad, or that they need to end things quickly)

still, I think it sucks!

eddief
02-21-05, 01:45 PM
If it ends the carnage over there, then I'm all for it.

eddief
02-21-05, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by HardJedi
does it REALLY suprise anyone, that sooner or later we would start negotiating with people that we said we wouldn't? such is the way of government. (especially when they think they look bad, or that they need to end things quickly)

still, I think it sucks!

They're not negotiating with the foreign jihadists. They're talking to the Sunni insurgents who have a stake in the future of their country. Hopefully they can be convinced to lay down their arms and participate in the political process.

BC22
02-22-05, 04:38 PM
Bringing some of the former regime elements to the table is not a bad idea, especially if they can be convinced to play a constructive role in a new Iraq. These are people who played a leading role governing the country under Saddam's regime, and they can be a positive force in rebuilding the country if they agree to play nice with the new Shiite-Kurd dominated government.