Is it too late?

[unknown]

and will I get in trouble for changing my medical/criminal background after enlisting in DEP? (Ship off 20050314)
My recruiter told me it's easier sometimes asking forgiveness. His example "Would you tell your girlfriend's dad you want to have sex with his daughter, or would you tell him after the fact you already have?"
If I'm going to earn the title of Marine I want to do it honestly, so is it too late or what can I do?

[JAMarine]

Unknown?
Unknown?

WTF is that?

If you having to ask that question "Unknown" then you already know the answer. Get your head screwed on straight and do what you know you should.

Just my opinion.

[unknown]

Ok

[HardJedi]

yes, it is called FRADULENT ENLISTMENT! you can get into BIG TIME/ BRIG TIME trouble for that

[unknown]

My recruiter told me to check no for everything after telling him my background, saying it's easier for him to change it once you're in DEP... I failed by losing the integrity of the Corps enlisting under fraudulent terms (under strong advisement, still my fault nonetheless), but, can changes still be made before taking the final oath with minimal consequences?

[hrscowboy]

WTF are you saying your recruiter told you to lie on your background?? Are you saying this recruiter told you check or write something different other than the truth??? Well sir if in fact you did do...

[unknown]

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/falsestatements.htm
Assuming this document is credible, the implication is I am not the first and certainly not the last person this happened/will happen to. After reviewing said document under the assumption the document is credible, I have concluded the ability to correct medical/criminal records having already been enlisted in the DEP is possible. Penalties: At worst, prosecution under article 83 of UCMJ. Bad, released from the DEP itself. Best: a delay of departure to MCRD San Diego while a waiver is considered.

I blame myself for failing to do what I knew was right, not my recruiter. A lesson lived is a lesson learned. And boy did I learn a few things from that one.

Look, my reason for enlisting is to serve our country and her people. "Whatever it takes" is my motto, and I will do anything and everything to earn the title of United States Marine. Anything except failing to regard the integrity of the USMC Core values. Already covered that part.

[yellowwing]

I think you have the correct attitude on making it right.

There are many penalites and a ton of ways this will trip you up in the very near future. And everything you worked for will be gone.

I'd go to the Recruiter and tell him straight out you want to clear up the situation ASAP. Refile statements, records, or whatever it takes.

If you lose 2-3 months on enlisting, so be it. The Corps will still be here, and you can join us with a clear conscious.

Good luck and stick to your guts!

[Namvet67]

unknown...are you for real? I can't buy the recruiter story. I know a Marine that did what you say you did...mid 80's..he lasted 3 months and was given a discharge. That still haunts him today. I...

[LivinSoFree]

Recruiters will tell you to do a lot of things. Except, to protect them, you sign about 4 different pieces of paper legally affirming that they did NOT tell you to lie or omit anything that might pertain to your enlistment, so ultimately, it WILL come back to you, not him.

[bates_iyaoyas]

damn dude, have you EVER been on Recruiting Duty? <br />
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With that said to the kid who frauded himself in. If you are going to allegate on the Recruiter you better have more than enough ammo to...

[bates_iyaoyas]

Originally posted by unknown
My recruiter told me to check no for everything after telling him my background, saying it's easier for him to change it once you're in DEP... I failed by losing the integrity of the Corps enlisting under fraudulent terms (under strong advisement, still my fault nonetheless), but, can changes still be made before taking the final oath with minimal consequences?

minimal consequences for fraudulant enlistment!?! Lol..you're kidding right?

[Namvet67]

bates_iyaoyas...I think unknown is trying to lead us down the primrose path. This is a joke.

[bates_iyaoyas]

Originally posted by gbudd
bates_iyaoyas...I think unknown is trying to lead us down the primrose path. This is a joke.

No loyalty anymore, I swear. I had a poolee try to allegate on me once, and the kid got hammered. If this kid is even a poolee he better check his frickin sense of humor.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by unknown
Is it too late?

Yep! it's too late.

[JAG5150]

Too late for you, just get out of DEP and go home. Atempt to join the army, navy, or airforce. By no means are you Marine material

[hrscowboy]

Yeah sounds good to me go join the Army of One they seem to not give a crap what kind of back ground you have..

[Pel]

I wouldnt be to hard on him. Hes trying to make it right.

[femalemarine_89]

I dont know if I would call it over reacting.. Sounds like you dont want to be in the Corps and if you dont want to be there we dont want you there.


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[greensideout]

Originally posted by BoazNaiman
Aren't you guys overreacting a little?


LOL---If you get to boot, you will understand over reacting!

Talk with due respect to us or you will be wearing a boot up your butt!

[USA&CSA]

Marine Corps Values

Honor, Courage and Commitment.

Maintain a high standerd of integrity. Respect yourself and others. This is just a few of the values.

The Marine Corps uniform is worn with pride and respect.

Mr. Unknown if you don't have the pride to tell the truth to get into the Marine Corps you Damn will don't have the right to wear OUR MARINE UNIFORM.:mad: :marine:

[Old Marine]

Sounds like Unknown needs a little "Thump Call"

[bates_iyaoyas]

bottom line both the kid AND the Recruiter could get into a world of **** if a depper allegates. Obviously the kids is either flaking or he is ****ed off at his recruiter. I see it out here all the time. A poolee starts developing apathy, and they look for a way out. I'm venturing to see about 50% of contracts out there could be looked at as fradulant if you really tried to disect it. So bottom line, the kid wants out and he's apathetic. I say fukk off kid, you signed a contract now follow it. If you don't you are screwed.

[Namvet67]

Hey..bates_iyaoyas...you tell em! You say you see "it out here" all the time. Where is out here? Your profile is a little sketchy. I assume that you are still active duty status? gbudd

[bates_iyaoyas]

Yes gbud, I am active duty. And currently am a Recruiter (for another 1 1/2 yrs). Soon enough I'll be back in the FMF where I belong.

[femalemarine_89]

I have to say that he dont sound like someone I want to wear OUR MARINE UNIFORM...




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[Timber]

I agree with you FM89, but my ? is what exactly Mr. Unknown has lied about.

[femalemarine_89]

From what his post is stating is its about his criminal background.. So you know from that it cant be good. If he thought it was worth lying about I am sure its pretty big..


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[Timber]

No doubt, guess Unknown got out while the getting was good. Too bad you can't run his back ground.

[GySgtRet]

I am not sure how recruting is these days. When I recruited ib Buffalo New Yok 1980 - 1983 if we even thought about frauding we were toast on the spot period. If this recruiter is this desperate to have apoolee lye about things then that speaks volumes to me about the Marine Recruiter, he or she is not fit to have the title Marine. Umless that recruiter is rolling a hole lot of dougnuts then he or she as a Marine their carree is over. I do doubt however that a Marine would put themselves in that position. If the recruiter is this desperate to prove the numbers that he or she can produce this is very sad indeed. The comman group needs to call this recruiter to the carpet for counseling NOW...!!! The RI and the station SgtMaj and even up to the district director needs to now about potential frauds that are taking place and if this individual has already deped then the recruiter needs to find another place. When alligations take place a hold lot of hurt goes out. I am hoping that unknown is just fabricating the story and didn't really go into my beloved Marine Corps. If he did then we need to get this driftwood out now.

Semper Fidelis

[femalemarine_89]

There are ways to run a criminal background. But you need a ss #, Bdate, Name.. Sounds to me like he is hiding something.. To be honest I dont want him in OUR CORPS.. If he lied about that what else is he going to lie about. He has already broken the code. He knows what he was doing.. No damn recruiter I know would ever tell someone something like that.. SO that is another strike.. I dont believe anything unknown has said..

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[bates_iyaoyas]

well GySgtRet...hate to tell you. But it depends on what type of freaud we are talking. I doubt it is of severe criminal. On the ENTAC all criminal background would have popped up (if he were fingerprinted). On the ENTAC that is what they check for...fingerprinted folks. As far as medical fraud...cmon we know what goes on. You had ADD 5 yrs ago and used Ritalin? Are you sure? That's what I thought. I've seen it all the time. I will say this though, I've never crossed to the dark side, and I am one of the most successful in the RS..even won a NAM...but I do know of many many many who dabble in the gray area.

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas, <br />
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I agree with you on the gray area side. What I am talking about and I did not practice this but I have heard of it while is was out on recruiting duty. Is ask an applicant if...

[bates_iyaoyas]

Excellent post Gunny. Here in Indiana EVERYTHING shows on Juvenile and Adult. However when they run an ENTAC it will ONLY pop if the kid were fingerprinted. Now, if and when they run the SF86...

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas,

Yes basically the same in most states. But the recruits from these days are a little bit more dangerous and inventive on what to say. The violence in high schools for instance...!!! I suppost that you have to go with a full combat load for protection...??? LOL. I just do not thnk that the recruiter would risk it unless he or she is a loss anyway. But that wouldn't happen with so much to loose.

Semper Fidelis

[bates_iyaoyas]

I am a firm believer that kids are no worse or better than when I was a kid. I will say this, though, them twerps sure are astute businessmen/women. I never underestimate them. I have seen real good recruiters get relieved for fraud. Matter of fact we just had a recent merit. SSGT get relieved for fraud. A kid allegated on him, and it was confirmed to be true. Then the flood gates opened. About 6 more allegated on him, and it was curtains. Like I said this kid here is apathetic, and he is looking for an out. By the way I know to stay clean. You ever hear of that scandal in RS Pittsburg in the mid-80's? My uncle was the MEPS liason during that time. Man the storys he has. Lol..I learned alot of lessons from him. I am on the straight and narrow, believe me.

[GySgtRet]

bates_iyaoyas,

Then I know you know what I am saying exactly. I couldn't remeber the RS. This kid hasn't piped in at all. I do hope he reads what he started. In 1st district we had recruiters manufacturing High Scholl Diplomas. Dang that what stupid. I was never that desperate to get the numbers. But in the 39 months that I spent there were only a very few that I reluctantlt put in my Marine Corps.

[unknown]

The extend of criminal fraud is mere speeding/proof of insurance... no big deal, POI was proven, speeding I admit guilt. No big deal. Medical, however, the main reason I asked in the first place, is due to sleep apnea. Most are aware this diagnoses is fairly new and the reason for DQ is "disturbing the sleep of others." That being said, sleep deprivation has been an issue for myself, among others, which is partial intent of USMC boot camp. The ability to perform simple tasks under pressure while sleep deprived. Anyway, I started this thread because I know apnea is a DQ yet my recruiter said he will add that as soon as I get a copy of my medical history. Mainly I wanted to make sure this is an OK process since apnea is basically when people snore and don't get well enough sleep. Many people have it without having been diagnosed (who do you know that snores loudly?) but since I was diagnosed, would it matter much if it was added later? That was the reason of this thread.

[unknown]

I have performed well before being diagnosed with apnea. Sure I was tired, but also inactive. I'm willing to bet boot camp will keep a new recruit like me busy enough until it's time to hit the racks and pass out for a few hours. Like I said before... whatever it takes to earn the title of Marine! If you want to fight, you'd better kill me or not waste my time because I"ll fight until it's over. I know the risk of death and I'm not afraid. That is my attitude towards earning the title US Marine. I know our country's Marines are fighting and that's where I want to be. No offense, but Army, Navy, Air Force isn't challenging enough. Sure they're a big part of the USA Military, but I know I'm good enough to be part of the elite. Give me the chance and I will prove it.

[yellowwing]

...my recruiter said he will add that as soon as I get a copy of my medical history.
Well dammit, get him a copy ASAP! Then you can get rid of that knot in your gut.

[unknown]

Yes sir. Maybe I was overenthusiactic about the whole thing.... but it might help someone else who has similar problems. Here's a ?.. If you disclose a medical complication after enlisting in DEP, will MEPs Dr.'s want you to see one of their specialists, or are you good to go since you're already in? Stupid question. but it might help someone else also.

[Old Marine]

Unknown:

Don't you think a Marine Corps Drill Instructor has enough problems without having to tuck you in every night.

Give the Drill Instructors and the Marine Corps a break and enlist in the Coast Guard.

[HardJedi]

you have sleep apnea? and KNOW it? then STAY AWAY! people with sleep Apnea are NON WORLD WIDE DEPLOYABLE! One of my very best friends, with 17 years of service, and a veteran of BOTH Desert Storm and now 2 tours in this Iraq war, was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and he is being kicked out three years short of retirement. you are looking at serious problems with THAT sickness my friend.

[bates_iyaoyas]

Here's the deal, man. If there is a change in status from when you first depped in (ie med, or criminal) than you must submit the med records and a letter of unconditional release from your doctor...

[HardJedi]

what, you didn't believe me about it bates? LOL

[bates_iyaoyas]

Originally posted by HardJedi
what, you didn't believe me about it bates? LOL

to be totally honest, I didn't even read your post until after I was finished with mine.

[unknown]

Now I wonder about exceptions. Yes I noticed sleep apnea defined as automatic DQ, I wonder if there is even very minimal chance of obtaining a waiver considering the lack of necessity for CPAP. I noticed I sleep better without it, but I bet that has to be approved by a licensed physician before submitting that to MEPs.

[Phantom Blooper]

Does PDQ mean Poolees Discharged Quickley? S/F Chuck Hall :marine: Or Pretty Damn Quick?

[Timber]

Unknown I am not trying to ride you but take it from a FF that works with alot of people with sleep apnea, if your Doc has already mentioned CPAP it would be in your best interest to find a different field of work. Try Homeland Security or something else.

Good luck.