Objection over Pledge

[airframesguru]

I just don't get it. I know we have the right to speak our mind etc.., but this is just wrong in sooo many ways.

Student's Objections Over Pledge Sparks Change in Spotsylvania
Updated: Monday, Dec. 20, 2004 - 4:19 AM

SPOTSYLVANIA, Va. (AP) - A middle school student's objection to standing during the Pledge of Allegiance is sparking change in Spotsylvania County's schools.
At the start of each school day, all students stand facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts during the pledge. Students can choose not to recite the pledge if they or their parents object on religious, philosophical or other grounds, which is consistent with state law.

But Virginia also allows students to quietly and respectfully sit at their desks while others stand and say the pledge. Spotsylvania's policy says nothing about letting students sit during the pledge.

A seventh-grader at Ni River Middle School objected to the requirement that he stand during the pledge, contending it violated his freedom of speech, Principal Stephen Covert said.

Covert said the student's complaint occurred several weeks ago. He said the boy has been allowed to sit during the pledge.

The School Board's attorney advised Superintendent Jerry Hill that Spotsylvania's policy violates state law because it doesn't allow students to sit through the pledge.

At a School Board meeting this month, Spotsylvania school officials recommended that the board bring its policy in line with state code by allowing students who object to sit during the pledge. The board approved the change with a 6-1 vote. The policy won't officially change until the board votes again at its Jan. 10 meeting.

Ray Lora cast the dissenting vote and at first asked the board to table the motion. When that failed, he gave a passionate plea about the value of the pledge in an age where American military troops face constant danger.

"How can a red-blooded American not want to pledge allegiance to the flag?" Lora asked.

Hill said the huge majority of students have no problem with standing and reciting the pledge, but he said Spotsylvania needs to comply with state code and "protect those individuals who disagree" with being forced to stand for the pledge.

This isn't the first time the Pledge of Allegiance has caused controversy in public schools.

Written in 1892, the pledge initially made no reference to religion. But the U.S. Congress, in the midst of a Cold War standoff with the Soviet Union, added the phrase "under God" in 1954.

In 2002, an atheist Californian sued his third-grade daughter's school district. The man argued that requiring the pledge violates the separation of church and state.

A federal appeals court agreed with plaintiff Michael Newdow in June 2002. But the U.S. Supreme Court reversed that ruling last summer.

In 2001, the Virginia General Assembly mandated that public school districts require the pledge daily. It's been policy in Spotsylvania since July 1, 2002. Before that, teachers could choose to lead the pledge.

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=367339&nid=316
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[OLE SARG]

You can bet it's not the seventh grader's choice to make this objection, it's his f@$ked up parents. Sit the little s#$t in the playground in the assdeep snow while the other students say the Pledge of Allegiance. Some people make me so ******* sick - let these SOB's go to one of the many under-privileged countries in the world and see how the other half lives. Let the stupid a$$holes fight for something to eat and then the dumba##es will think it's not that bad and they'll be glad to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

My 2 cents worth - HELL OF WAY TO START MY WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OLE SARG

[CplCrotty]

Betcha' he's a Jehovah's Witness. This is a cult that insists that all members not celebrate any holidays, serve in the military, vote and not stand for the Pledge or show any type of recognition to your national symbols. I know, because my ex-wife was/is a member of this group (hence "ex").

Hmmm, now that I think about it, that pretty much sums it up for most of our "blue state" liberal-socialists.

[airframesguru]

Sorry olesarg.

I just dont get it. My kids dont have a choice in the matter, but they also understand the meaning of what they are dong and its importance. we pray and we are patriotic - they know that their uncle andy is in the sand box and needs support among other things.

Its up to us as parents and Marines to educate the ignorant and noneducated people.

Semper Fidelis, God Bless, Amen

Mike

[Osotogary]

I predict that someone or group is going to try to ammend the 10 Commandments. I believe that if anyone wants live in the United States and use it's piviledges as citizens or residents they must:
1. Learn to speak English
2. Learn the Pledge of Allegiance
3. Abide by the Laws of the Land and finally..
4...in conjunction with following the Laws of the Land they
MUST be able to read and understand the sign that say's
NO PARKING-FIRE ZONE. If a person does not understand or refuses to comply with that sign he or she or it will lose their citizenship or residency....on the spot.
Note: I am having some folly here but I am distressed about this article and the fact that it takes place in Virginia. Wasn't that State at one time the Hub of Democracy from the Revolutionary War up to.... recently?

[woodman]

last week I got a call of an assault. seems this 9th grader and his scumbag friends didn't want to stand during the pledge for "philosophical"reasons and then started talking smack about a local kid who had just returned from Iraq after losing 3/4 of his leg. Some other fine upstanding young men told them to shut thier holes and show some respect and our scumbags decided that talking more sh*t was necessary. A large can of whoop azz was then opened upon them and they were upset. Had to Smile as I told Them my "philosophy" was that if thet wanted me to investigate this that I would be arresting them for inciting a breach of the peace. They finaly got smart and shut up. LMAO as thay walked away mumbeling. Improvise,Overcome, Adapt !

[Phantom Blooper]

Can All 50 States Be Wrong?

Somewhere along the way, the Federal Courts and the Supreme Court have misinterpreted the U. S. Constitution. How could fifty States be wrong?


THIS IS VERY INTERESTING!

Be sure to read the last two paragraphs. America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ...

Alaska1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom ...

Colorado1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Connecticut1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.

Florida1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty. establish this Constitution...

Georgia1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance ... establish this Constitution.

Idaho1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government.

Iowa1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings. establish this Constitution

Kansas1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges. establish this Constitution.

Kentucky1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe ... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity. and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness. establish this Constitution.

Montana1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty. establish this Constitution.

Nebraska1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. establish this Constitution.

Nevada1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution ...

New Hampshire1792, PartI.Art. I.Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty.

New York1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

North Carolina1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those.

North Dakota1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.

Oklahoma1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this.

Oregon1857, Bill of Rights, ArticleI.Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..

Pennsylvania1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance

Rhode Island1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina. grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... establish this

Tennessee1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia1776, Bill of Rights, XVI. Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason. and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other.

Washington1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties do ordain this Constitution ...

West Virginia1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ...

Wisconsin1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility ...

Wyoming1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties. establish this Constitution.

After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."- William Penn

[Namvet67]

Make it mandatory for everyone to be a Republican

[Sgt. Smitty]

The youth of this country is being undermined on all kinds of BS, including the Pledge of Allegiance. If they refuse to say it, then they aren't Americans and neither are the a$$holes that taught them to think that way. The very moral fiber of this country is being eaten away by all this kind of BS and it needs to stop...NOW !!! I still pledge allegiance to this country, but not to the people runnin it cause they are a bunch of incompetent as sholes that don't give a dam about the people of this country.

[DSchmitke]

Most of these kids don't even remove their hats when the National anthem is be played or are laughing and joke around also at sporting events. You even see it on TV as they pan the stands.

[JAG5150]

Let me be in one of these classes when one of these spoiled little brats refuse to stand and pledge. I'll follow him home and slap the hell out of his father. It is obvious that the parents of the kids were never in the military or were draft dodgers. How many men and women gave their lives so that these people could have the right to say the pledge of allegiance only to be slapped in the face by this type of B.S.

[Sgt. Smitty]

Got your 6 JAG.............Smitty

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by Phantom Blooper


"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."- William Penn [/B]


Just one question: whose God or which God do you suppose he was talking about?

S/F, Hum

[mrbsox]

Originally posted by humblysuperior



Just one question: whose God or which God do you suppose he was talking about?

S/F, Hum

If you go back and read, most of the states referred to
ALMIGHTY GOD

But that's just MY observation (as if there were another God)
The Constitution offers FREEDOM of Religion, not a specific one. YOU, as an AMERICAN get to choose.

'As for me and my house, we will choose the true and living God'

Terry

[humblysuperior]

<But that's just MY observation (as if there were another God)>

Thanks for the response but you have not clarified which God. Almighty God? Would that be: Allah?, Buddha?, Jesus?, Vishnu? (or any one of hundreds of hindu gods), Ras Tafari?, Satan? or any one of a thousand other gods that are worshipped and prayed to on a daily basis just in America alone?
I am just trying to get some clarification on this because I often hear talk about this God yet I hear people condemn those who don't worship a particular God as being "Godless". So I was just wondering how it worked in this forum.


S/F, hum

[mrbsox]

Speaking for my self....

You are free to choose which God you believe in

Speaking for the forum (carefully);
We ALL swore an oath to
... support and defend the Constitution of the United States...
and the Constitution does NOT specify that you even worship, or believe in God, Allah, Buddah, or any other specific omnipitant being. Only that you have FREEDOM of religion, freedom to choose, or not to choose.

In my opinion;
The word 'GOD' is a reference to the creater of all things. Even in the Bible, he is referred to with different names. In MY mind, the term GOD, is the one whom put his word into the mind of mankind, to write the Bible, as we know it. Old and New testiments, Commandments, covenents, and all that. Created all in six days (periods of time). Rested the seventh.

Your statement
'I often hear talk about this God'
tells me you are NOT a firm believer of any specific doctrine, which is fine. You have an OPEN mind to explore with. Let me encourage you to do just that, EXPLORE.

As for how it WORKS on this forum, CAREFULLY, and RESPECTFULLY.
We ALL respect each others opinions, even if they are different from our own. We keep things on a level playing field,
... lest ye get spanked by the moderator... LOL
We ask, AND listen. We chat, banter, get other view points.
BUT...
When it starts to get personal, we take it outside.

Terry

[Toby M]

Humblysuperior, spoken like a true ACLU supporter...

[woodman]

friggin amazing humblysuperior is a volunter for the ACLU. Which God ? Well let's see. this country was founded by christians but there is no designator so that, Here's the part YOU ought to understand, each individual can decide for them selves. Not that difficult to understand if you quit looking for a conspiracy behind everything.

[humblysuperior]

<"We ALL swore an oath to
... support and defend the Constitution of the United States...>"

Exactly, I swore an oath to uphold the constitution. I did not swear an oath to uphold any particular deity. I was only asking a question. I seem to have hit a nerve so this will be my last post on this subject as I do not wish to cause any more animosity.


<"Humblysuperior, spoken like a true ACLU supporter...">

<"friggin amazing humblysuperior is a volunter for the ACLU. ">


I am confused, why would anyone be "friggin' amazed" that somebody would volunteer to help an organization whose sole purpose was to defend the constitution? I, too, once felt animosity toward the ACLU, thinking it was just a "liberal" organization, until they defended Ollie North and the nazis in Skokie and Rush Limbaugh and many others who were quite far from being "liberals". It was then that I realized that this was an outfit that cared more about the constitution than about political affiliation. So, if you feel that is a bad thing then, this being America, you have every right to feel that way. And, unlike some, I will keep personal attacks out of the argument.
Of course this is just my opinion, one to which I am entitled by virtue of being an American.

S/F, hum

[woodman]

Just my experience with the ACLU but the constitution is seldom what they are interested in defending. They engage in the "sensational litigation" much like sensational journalists by choosing to represent the skinheads, Ollie North...etc. Where are they when the kid is suspended from school for excersiing THEIR right of freedom of speech in disagreing with those who choose not to participate in reciting the pledge? no where in sight.

[humblysuperior]

woodman wrote:
"Just my experience with the ACLU"



I would love to hear more about your personal experience with the ACLU. What exactly the situation was, how did it affect you, were you being defended by the ACLU or were you a direct defendant?
Please don't hesitate to share it with me. Or you can just cite the case to me and I can research it on my own.

Thanks.
S/F, hum

[Sgt. Smitty]

Read the constitution there Pvt., from start to finish, maybe that will clarify the answers to your questions. My oath to the constitution and this country only goes as far as keepin America American. When that changes, my oath becomes null and void, REGARDLESS of which so-called God you believe in. Guaranteed that if the leaders of this country change the constitution from it's original context and defined meaning, that I'll be the first one to go Postal on politicians ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I don't play games and hate people that do. I deal with **** face first, head on and straight up. No beatin around the bush, although i would like to beat the hell outa Bush. And if people don't like bein dealt with like that then they can kiss my ass and leave my country and never return.

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by Sgt. Smitty
Read the constitution there Pvt., from start to finish, maybe that will clarify the answers to your questions. My oath to the constitution and this country only goes as far as keepin America American. When that changes, my oath becomes null and void, REGARDLESS of which so-called God you believe in.



Perhaps I am mistaken, and please correct me if I am, but are you inferring that you will only uphold the constitution as long as it fits within your point of view? That when it ceases to keep "America American", whatever that means, then you will no longer feel compelled to defend the constitution? It is an interesting concept you have there Sgt.
Thanks for bringing a new perspective to my views on the constitution.

S/F, hum

BTW: I have read the constitution and referred to it on numerous occassions. It is, indeed, a remarkable document. Pity some people who are in positions of power hate it and will do anything to destroy it. For that matter it is incredible the number of average Americans who say they love it except when it does not confirm their particular view of the way things should be. h

[JAG5150]

Like I said, our brothers and sisters cried, sweat, bled, and died to protect that constitution and Old Glory. Even if you don't believe the words at least stand and pay due respects for the sacrifices that were made for you to be able to make that decision. If not go to France, buy a poodle and change your name to renee.

[woodman]

No offence Hs but I would never divulge any information that was even remotely personal and legal. sorry. The ACLUwould never represent me for several reasons.
1 I'm a cop and having them change sides to represent the oppressive jack booted thgs that we are all viewed as is highly unlikely at best.
2 Would you let an attourney that you didn't trust represent you ?

3 If they did offer to represent me would it be because I was wrongly accused or just good publicity.

[Namvet67]

Watch out for Humblysuperior...I do believe he is playing with us...1. Came on board showing rank as a 3 star General 2. Was told to remove the stars..came back as a Pvt. 3. I asked for his real rank and he now claims to be a L/cpl. 4. Asked for some history on him and he came back with something about his office hours. 5. He claims to be a trial lawyer. Bottom line....I don't think we are dealing with a Marine here...we got a humorist.........gbudd

[JAG5150]

Good, let's falsly portray ourselves and lie about what we are. Oh by the way did I tell you that my name is Bill Clinton? LOL

[cjjohnson]

Humblysuperior...I read your posts...who are you? Are you sure you got the right web site? Marine? Don't write like one. Trial lawyer? Maybe? Law student? probably! You read a lot don't you. cj

[thedrifter]

cjjohnson

We can ask You the same question....

We Have Respect in THIS HOUSE.....

So Please USE IT............and Never Question A Marine When You Are Not One....



Ellie

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by woodman
No offence Hs but I would never divulge any information that was even remotely personal and legal. sorry. The ACLUwould never represent me for several reasons.
1 I'm a cop and having them change sides to represent the oppressive jack booted thgs that we are all viewed as is highly unlikely at best.
2 Would you let an attourney that you didn't trust represent you ?

3 If they did offer to represent me would it be because I was wrongly accused or just good publicity.


No offense taken woodman. Thank you for addressing my query. I will accept your explanations at face value as you have not given me any reason to doubt you. I was just hoping to possibly expand my views on an organization which I do some volunteer work for from time to time.
I must admit that I would not allow an attorney I do not trust to represent me, no sir.
Given I am not familiar with your situation I could not give you a good answer on #3 except to say that I know of thousands of cases the ACLU has worked on without one word of publicity being generated.


S/F, hum

[cjjohnson]

Ok Ellie...I'm not trying to cause any problems...and you are correct..I am not a Marine but I do know a little about them. I'll stand down.

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by JAG5150
Good, let's falsly portray ourselves and lie about what we are. Oh by the way did I tell you that my name is Bill Clinton? LOL


Hi Bill, nice to meet you.

S/F, hum

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by gbudd
Watch out for Humblysuperior...I do believe he is playing with us...1. Came on board showing rank as a 3 star General 2. Was told to remove the stars..came back as a Pvt. 3. I asked for his real rank and he now claims to be a L/cpl. 4. Asked for some history on him and he came back with something about his office hours. 5. He claims to be a trial lawyer. Bottom line....I don't think we are dealing with a Marine here...we got a humorist.........gbudd

I suppose I could question your SRB gbudd, but I won't.
You asked for info, you got info. You don't believe the info then that is your problem, not mine.
Seriously, I could care less whether YOU think I am a Marine or your fairy godmother.
S/F, hum

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by cjjohnson
Humblysuperior...I read your posts...who are you? Are you sure you got the right web site? Marine? Don't write like one. Trial lawyer? Maybe? Law student? probably! You read a lot don't you. cj

I read your profile and congratulations on having not one but two Marines in your family.
You state that I do not write like a Marine, I am not sure what this is supposed to mean. How is a Marine supposed to write? I used english, I think that is a good start.
Trial lawyer? Yes.
Law student? Always, in the broadest sense of the word. I will always be learning more about the law the more i practice.
I read a lot? You are correct. Seems to me you write that as if reading is a bad thing. What do you have against reading? I am suspicious of people who view reading as something to be shunned. Demonizing reading and education is a tactic of many totalitarian states, do you support a totalitarian state?

S/F, hum

[troop901]

well, The ACLU is nuttin but a bunch of arrogant SOB's who do not support our constitution. Do I have first hand knowledge of this, yes I do. I got sent to the cincy riots a couple years ago. Just as things were gettin back to normal then Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and several ACLU attorney's showed up, gave their speech's and kept the whole thing goin fer a couple more days. Why was this, to bring americans together, no, it was to gain media exposure. What caused the riot, a white cop shot a black kid, who only had 15 outstandin warrants on him. What happened in that dark ally was never contested, since you not only had the testimony of the officer, the other officers present and several witness's present at the time.
In my job I only have a couple seconds to make a life and death decision but accordin to the ACLU I dont have the right to make that decision in the heat of battle, that a life of some drug dealin punk is somehow more important then that of a officer of the law who is just doin his job. Well, I will come home at the end of my shift and you and yer ACLU buddies can sue me later, wont get nuttin cause my warden done spent all my money.
SF

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by troop901
well, The ACLU is nuttin but a bunch of arrogant SOB's who do not support our constitution. Do I have first hand knowledge of this, yes I do. I got sent to the cincy riots a couple years ago. Just as things were gettin back to normal then Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and several ACLU attorney's showed up, gave their speech's and kept the whole thing goin fer a couple more days. Why was this, to bring americans together, no, it was to gain media exposure. What caused the riot, a white cop shot a black kid, who only had 15 outstandin warrants on him. What happened in that dark ally was never contested, since you not only had the testimony of the officer, the other officers present and several witness's present at the time.
In my job I only have a couple seconds to make a life and death decision but accordin to the ACLU I dont have the right to make that decision in the heat of battle, that a life of some drug dealin punk is somehow more important then that of a officer of the law who is just doin his job. Well, I will come home at the end of my shift and you and yer ACLU buddies can sue me later, wont get nuttin cause my warden done spent all my money.
SF


Well, I happen to know otherwise. The ACLU is a wonderful organization that exists for the sole purpose of protecting the freedoms granted by the constitution and the amendments thereof. You are certainly entitled to think differently, that is the beauty of our constitution. Sorry about the difficulty you experienced in Cincy, but iI do not know enough about the case to comment other than to say the ACLU protects the civil rights of ALL Americans, not just cops or crooks but all Americans because under the constitution there is equal protection. I am very sorry that many people do not understand that but actually think we should abandon the document that makes this the greatest country on earth.


S/F, hum

[troop901]

The ACLU is a wonderful organization? For who, the terrorist's that are tryin to tear our country apart. Lets see also here, let me dig into my grab bag, oh, here is one, my home county, which, unlike the ACLU supports God, sued our poor school district, which was short on funds as it was, to remove 4 monuments from the school grounds because they had the 10 commandments on them. Now tell me, how, just because 1, yes, that is right, 1 person said he didnt like it while the rest of the county, yes, that is right, COUNTY said it was ok, why should his voice be heard over the rest of us. Even though several other documents were inscribed on it such as the magna carta and such didnt matter. And while yer at it, explain how that helps us, as a whole, not just a 1. Bankrupt a poor school district to ban God from a monument is a good thing. You and yer ACLU buddies are doin a great job there hombre.
SF

[HardJedi]

ARRRRGGGG! thats all I can really say about this one. that and P!SS in the ACLU. ans the NAACP, and several OTHER groups. :(




( not one of my more intelligent or thought out posts, but so what? thats how I feel, and that's that.)

[mrbsox]

HEY !!!

This thread is about the PLEDGE.
It turned religious (partly mine), now political. It's bordering on personal as we get into Civil Liberties.

I say it's time to stand down.... or take it to PM's.

Terry

[Sgt. Smitty]

True, this thread is about the Pledge, but I'm curious on how a NON-MARINE got in here and is allowed to have anything to say about anything that us Marines are talking about? So.......unless you are a Marine HS, then you need to back the hell off and get out of our forums. Nuff said. And if anyone else can't deal with the way this country was founded and won't say the PLEDGE then let them leave OUR country..........period ! ! ! !

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by Sgt. Smitty
True, this thread is about the Pledge, but I'm curious on how a NON-MARINE got in here and is allowed to have anything to say about anything that us Marines are talking about?

Hey sgt, ol cjjohnson made a comment directed at me, not you, I didn't raise a fuss about her not being a Marine. So again, what is your problem?
If you are implying that I am not a Marine you are certainly WRONG on that score. As a matter of fact, I think you protest a little too much and you act pretty childish and unlike a Marine yourself, so unless you can prove that you are a Marine YOU should stay out of the forums.

S/F, hum

[Namvet67]

Just sent you a PM Humbly

[Sgt. Smitty]

OK then, why didn't you answer in the forum on who the hell are you? I spent 7 years in the Corps and 18 months in Nam and will gladly email you BOTH of my DD214's if you so desire. Can you email me yours? I have NO problem with Marines, just wannabes and imposters, that's why i asked who you were. ****, you think I act childish, at least i didn't pretend to be a friggin General. If you get so bent outa shape when someone wants to know about you then you'd better grow the hell up Marine, and start tellin the truth right out the gate instead of tryin to be a flippin General. Your credibility went out the door when you did that, or can't you see it? My reason for being in this forum is NOT to cause ruffled feathers, but when some lil puke imitates a General then his whole profile is up for screwtiny, does that clarify anything to you Marine?

[JAG5150]

Whenever you are untruthful about who or what you are, you leave yourself up to scroutinization. Nothing personal, we just want to make sure who it is we're talking to.

[humblysuperior]

Yes, Sgt, I do see that. I must admit, that was probably not the best idea I have ever had, and I have no excuse but when I realized that it was offensive, I changed it. My sincerest apologies to...

[Sgt. Smitty]

That's all i wanted to know. But now i have two moderators on my 6 because i asked a simple question to clarify why everyone had been raggin on you so much, OK? The LAST thing i want to do in here is put down a fellow Marine, and yes, you did screw up a little at first but i am glad to see that that situation is resolved along with my question of who you are. You have to realize that there are some extremely HARD CORE Marines on this sight, of which i am one, that take acception to people that are not straight up right out the gate. My apologies to you if i was a little sarcastic at first, but all you had to do was answer me either in this forum or by my private message. Why do people always make things so complicated. Again, I apologize to you, but NOT the moderators cause i don't take threats and ultimatums for NOBODY.

[Namvet67]

Ok we finished yet? TGIF carry on Marines. I need a drink after all this. Thanks for the apology Humbly.

[JAG5150]

Now that that's behind us, welcome aboard Devil Dog.

[humblysuperior]

Originally posted by gbudd
Ok we finished yet? TGIF carry on Marines. I need a drink after all this. Thanks for the apology Humbly.


Just part of being humble.:)
I have posted a pic on the gallery if anyone cares to examine it.
S/F, hum

[Sgt. Smitty]

Case closed, i finally got my answer but holy jumped up Ch*ist it took toooooo long and way toooooo much was said. And as for being theatened by you moderators, we need to talk, i gave shaffer my home phone number so either him or you Ellie can call me any time you want. But there is no way in hell you're gonna tell me that i can't ask a question of my fellow Marines in order to find out why everyone was raggin on this Marine. Like i said, i don't, never have and never will take ultimatums from NOBODY not matter who the hell you are. you want to threaten me then let's do it over the phone and not in here...clear enough?