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Shaffer
12-07-04, 08:35 PM
Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig responded to Arizona Senator John McCain's comment regarding the steroids controversy that has rocked the sport by saying he would accept help from the government if the union doesn't accept a change in the current rules.


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McCain accompanied President Bush (news - web sites) to the Army-Navy college football game in Philadelphia on Saturday and stressed the need for baseball to invoke stronger rules against players using performance-enhancing drugs.

Selig and Major League Baseball has received criticism from lawmakers for a loose testing policy, which was reached under the collective bargaining agreement in 2002 by the union and management. It expires following the 2006 season.

Under the policy, a first positive test for steroid use results in treatment. A second offense carries a 15-day suspension or fine of up to $10,000. A third offense is a 25-day suspension or up to a $25,000 fine and a fourth a 50-day suspension or a fine up to $50,000. A fifth positive test is either a one-year suspension or a fine of up to $100,000. All suspensions are without pay and there is no out-of-season testing.

The rules are more stringent at the minor league level. Under that policy, which is not subject to collective bargaining, there is a year-round testing program and first-time offenders are hit with a 15-day suspension without pay. Players who test positive a second time receive a 30-day suspension, and a third offense means a full season suspension without pay.

"I appreciate the support of Senator McCain on this serious issue of ridding Major League Baseball of performance enhancing substances and I am grateful for his assistance and concern," Selig said in a statement. "The illegal use of these substances is damaging our great game's credibility. It seriously threatens the health of our players; and perhaps, most damaging, it encourages our young fans to use these horrible substances.

"While I would prefer to resolve this problem directly with the Players Association and jointly implement a much stronger drug-testing policy in Major League Baseball, one modeled after our program in the minor leagues, I understand the need for swift and resolute action. I have promised to leave no stone unturned until we strengthen our drug-testing policy. If we cannot resolve this issue privately, I gladly will accept whatever help is offered by Senator McCain to achieve our ultimate goal."

It's possible President Bush could sign into law a bill by Congress mandating tougher steroid testing for MLB. Bush already signed anti-steroid legislation into law in October.

According to a published report last week, San Francisco Giants (news) slugger Barry Bonds admitted to using a clear substance and cream provided to him from his trainer, but said he didn't know they were steroids.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported Bonds, a seven-time National League MVP, testified before a federal grand jury in December 2003 and that earlier that year he used both clear and cream substances provided by his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson. According to the testimony obtained by the Chronicle, Bonds said he was told the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis. The substances are similar to steroids described from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, the center of a scandal.

The report in Friday's edition of the Chronicle comes one day after the newspaper reported New York Yankees (news) first baseman Jason Giambi claimed in his grand jury testimony that he took a human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons. The Chronicle reported that Giambi testified in December 2003 that he obtained several different steroids from Anderson.

The executive board of the players' union is meeting in Phoenix this week, and the steroid issue is on the agenda.

Copyright 2004, The Sports Network

ivalis
12-07-04, 09:00 PM
Selig is a shill for the team owners. The only time he reacts to anything is when congress starts to make noise.

Baseball's unique exemption from anit-trust laws is the key. Owners/Selig fear that may be jeopardized.

hrscowboy
12-07-04, 09:11 PM
here we have ball players using illegal drugs but the still let them be on teams but let a ball player gamble against a ball team or place bets whos going to win or not and hes banned for life.. Its all bull**** thats the bottom line..

greensideout
12-07-04, 09:46 PM
Agree cowboy, it's all bull!

I'm not at all for drug use but the government just keeps getting more involved in everything.

They would like to tell us what kind of toilet paper to use if they could.

The fact is, the team with the most money buys the best players, that's the bottom line too.

rockhopper
12-07-04, 09:48 PM
The owners and MLB like the big home runs. That brings in the money. When it's about the money, it sure makes it a lot easier to turn a blind eye to the issue. By the way they dragged their feet, I am betting that they were stalling, hoping this whole steroid problem would just fade away. Their own version of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...

marinemom
12-08-04, 06:54 AM
If baseball could ban Pete Rose for life - for gambling - then the same measures should be taken against the players who use banned substances - or maybe they should watch the films of Lyle Alzado and John Matuszak - who's use of steroids cut their lives short by a lotta years and with a lot of pain.

Bud Selig does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the players' union and keep using the word "no"....and major league baseball wonders why it loses fans....

Old Marine
12-11-04, 08:11 AM
anyone involved in the sporting world who uses unauthorized drugs should be banned for life.

CAR
12-14-04, 03:20 AM
The government seems to screw so much crap up that any attempt to regulate by government would turn into a complete joke and more drug use would occur. Congress doesn't do a good job at what they do now except spend our money, and now they want to get into MLB. Get bent!

I'm in no way for the drug use but if WE really want to make an impact don't go to the games. (I know that would never happen but could you imagine if noone went to a game for weeks...)

hrscowboy
12-14-04, 05:46 AM
If you use drugs and there Illegal your gone thats the way it should be lets get a petition going...

Thirsty Pilgrim
12-19-04, 05:40 PM
There is no Constitutional "right" of the government to interfer with baseball. I don't care the reason.

It has been a while since I have read it however, I recall no mention of baseball there.

Then again since when has Congress cared about the Constitution?

Nagalfar
12-19-04, 07:17 PM
I would go even farther to say, anyone who uses ILLEGAL drugs should go straight to the gray bar hotel just like the REST OF US would if we were caught, why are they above the law? The entertainment industry, and the sports industry is riddled with drug abuse, you would think someone with a badge would do something about that, nope not this year. Think about this.. when you are playing a sport and you break someones beak because you are pis*ed for what ever reason.. it is no big deal, the team of the offender MIGHT get a penalty.. we the fans, if we hit some loud mouth who needs it in the stands.. we get a weekend of interesting company.. why is there even a double standard?, IF ANYTHING.. someone who is being paid in the salary range a lot of these people in professional sports are being paid, they should be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us.. but the sports, and even the entertainment industry don’t have any standards, there are miles of video tape with all kind assaults and drug use and abuse on it, yet we never seem to see that being used in court, or it seldom even making the news, have a Marine shoot a rag playing dead, and it never leaves us, we cant turn on the damn TV without seeing or hearing about,.. I have always been astonished by this double standard, so the hell what he can shoot a basket consistently from the 3 point zone, that is something great? why?.. there are a lot of good grunts out there who can nail rags all day long from the 800+, now that is skill that America really needs, and it does make a difference! yet we have a lot of our brothers getting aid from their home state, risk your life, help your country when it needs you most, get welfare, shoot a basket, get a mansion and a limo?... am I missing something here? why are these people above the law? Ok ok.. I will climb down off my soapbox..

Sgted
12-22-04, 07:42 PM
The Government should stay out of it. It'll just add lots of red tape resulting in little or no change.

The penalties for the big boys in sports should be equal to or more severe then what you & I might get for the same offense.
These mega-millionaires also need to remember their responsibility to their younger fans who look up to them for examples of leadership and responsibility. It's a double edge sword when players get away with little or no penalty for their actions which results in our kids thinking its OK.
Give me the old days when organized sports were played more for the challenge rather then for giant saleries and product endorsement.
And Nagalfar is right.....theres much more media / citizen outrage over a dead rag then steroids or other unlawfulness in professional sports.
A fan needs to take out a second mortage to attend a game. Pay-per-view is no better.
How many sports fans will give up a year of pricey game tickets to help a fighting Marine's family on public assistance ?
Somewhere along the line we got our priorities wacked way out of line.

vfm
12-23-04, 07:14 PM
Government should stay out of this. MLB has its own governing body. They should enforce their rules ban players fine players etc.
SEMPER FI!!!
vfm

OLE SARG
12-23-04, 07:34 PM
Professional athletes are not going to change. They feel as great athletes and being millionaires, they are above the law. As far as I'm concerned they can do away with baseball and I wouldn't miss it a bit. They lost me when the cry-babies went on their strike here a few years ago. AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL the drug assisted records now in baseball - it's all a big joke. And soon all the baseball records will have to have a big note denoting the athlete was using steroids when he set the record.

The governing bodies of all these sports are slowly losing control of the athletes and it is starting to show. Basketball is another sport that is becoming a joke. It won't be long until football will be down there with baseball and basketball. Maybe, if all the fans said to hell with it and quit attending something could be done.

My 2 cents worth

OLE SARG

GySgtRet
01-08-05, 06:51 AM
marinemom,

My family and I were just talking about this subject two days ago and brought up the same names to our daughter, who luckily does not or has ever thought of taking any drug legal or otherwise. We are fortunate.

Koble_USMC
01-13-05, 06:55 AM
Things should go back to the way they were when players played for the love of the game. The need to make millions of dollars has lead to a corruption of one of the greatest past-times. I will stick to watching little league...at least thats still pure.



LT