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KingSizeM&M
12-04-04, 09:50 AM
I have been thinking latly, and even though I still have a year to go before I make my FINAL dissision on what to join (army or marines obvisouly) I would like some input on what you former or current army & marines think would be best for me. I was looking into somthing maybe infantry related:-/? From my knowledge I have heard that Army does have more funding and they get the nice new stuff and have alot more choices then the marines..
(Some of the choices if I joined)-
Army:
10th Mountain
Ranger Reg.
Std. infantry divison (3ID, 1ID, etc..)
101st or 82nd Airborne
Marines:
Std Infantry
or MEU
Thanks..
B'hamjarhead
12-04-04, 10:05 AM
If you want the very best training and belong to a special fraternity for life then select the USMC. Just look who is fighting door to door in Iraq. Once a Marine always a Marine.
yellowwing
12-04-04, 10:12 AM
The latest and greatest equipment is just dead weight if your Bro's are not their to back you up!
Welcome aboard B'hamjarhead! What did they decide to do with that big Ironman statue?
Well, if you Aren't Ready for the Marines Yet Kingsize M&M then you go ahead and join the ARMY!
If you are looking for a specific Job, then join the Army!
If you are looking for the Opportunity to Earn the Title Marine and you want to be Infantry, then the Corps is the place you need to be. The fact of the matter is, not everyone has what it takes to be a Marine and they have the option of the Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard or just staying Civilians if they don't have that Inner Courage and Fortitude.
I read a good article in the San Diego paper about a former Army Sergeant who left the Army and came into the Corps as a PFC. When they interviewed him they said "You were a Sergeant in the Army, why did you give that up to start all over in the Marine Corps?" His reply was "I would rather be a Private having Earned the Title Marine than to have been a Sergeant in the Army."
Everybody has to do what's right for them, so you need to decide if you want to take the hard road or the easy road. Do you have what it takes to Earn the Title Marine or do you want to settle for being a Soldier? That's a choice only you can make!
GunnyL
Glad to see you made if KingSize, I am sure you will get some valuable input here.
Nagalfar
12-04-04, 02:17 PM
Allow me to be the one who tells you why you would want to join the Army.. The training is pretty easy by most standards, and very easy by the standards of the Corps, When you take your leave from the Army, you are done with it, you are no longer in the Army just take the uniform off and walk away, when you take you leave from the Corps, you are still a Marine, and always will be, it is a lot more than a uniform you can just take off, it is a part of your soul, and for a lot of us, it is one of the best parts of our soul, and it will last and be felt the rest of your life, its something that is hard for a lot of us to even describe, its something you feel and know, deep inside you, we give Honor, Remembrance and Thanks for every drop of sweat, blood, toil, pain, sacrifice, that has been given in the name of the Corps, as a Marine you you feel compelled to protect that legacy, AND future, in the Army, I have seldom even heard of it, so, I guess that is what is meant by a "Army of One", meaning you are on your own, its just for you. After being in the Corps for a short time, you will soon realize, in a great many ways you are in this for more than just yourself, your in this for your brothers who standing next to you, weather you love him or hate him, you will still fight to the last breath to protect him, every bit as much as you would for yourself, in the Army, you are a "Army of One" to me that does say it all, you are in it for yourself, you dont have to lookout for others, just yourself. In the Corps, when you get anything from home, be it something as simple as some cookies, you will feel the need/desire to share them with the Marines around you, even if it means you dont get one, In the Army you probably not be compelled by the same motivation, you will keep it all to yourself, I have seen this more than a few times with my own eyes.
I think most of us if not all of us, have hard time telling you why you should join the Corps, how can you compare the one to the other when there is very little to compare by? it is like comparing a apple to a book, they are what they are, and yet they are nothing a like. I can leave you with this one thought, one of my biggest fears, was.. no I take that back my biggest fear while I was active, was not being there when my brothers needed me, I have found now that I am older, that is, and was, a common feeling amongst most all of us.. Semper Fidelis, is not just a saying, and it is also more than the motto of the Corps, it is a way of life.
jinelson
12-04-04, 02:36 PM
Dang Nagalfar very well said, very well said indeed.
Very to the point Dang Nagalfar. I have one thing to add If a recruit doesn't have the burning desire to become a U.S. Marine more than anything else ; he isn't going to make it and the Corps doesn't want him.
Semper Fi!!!
vfm
MelloYello
12-04-04, 03:07 PM
Hmmm Army 9 weeks but you only PT 45 of those days while you get 18 days off.
The Army gets their weekends off while at boot camp and if your there during Chirstmas you get 2 weeks off then report back where you were.
Marines 13 weeks non stop of Hell. Then if you Graduate you go on to SOI which is even worse than MCRD, so I have heard.
Its all been said. One road is flat and was just paved so its very smooth. You don't need any help because its straight and there is a Gas Station every 3 miles.
Then the other is not even a road. Its off roading and you never know what will have happen. Will you get stuck and need a brother to help you out. Will you run out of gas and need a brother to refill and moviate you to continue.
I dunno about you I love a challenge. I don't want some silver plate handed to me. I want to EARN everything I get.
snipowsky
12-04-04, 04:07 PM
My question is this. Why in the hell are you going to come on a Marine Corps website asking some stupid question like this? Get a grip. If you even have to ask something so stupid on this site you need to go join the Army, the Marines don't want you!
Are you scared of a challenge in life? If so you aren't Marine material. Don't ever come on our site asking some pathetic question like this again. I don't know about my brothers and sisters, but this Marine finds it personally offensive and downright disrespectful for you to even ask such a question. Nasty civilians I swear!
(Some of the choices if I joined)-
Army:
10th Mountain
Ranger Reg.
Std. infantry divison (3ID, 1ID, etc..)
101st or 82nd Airborne
Marines:
Std Infantry - WTF IS THIS? Standard Infantry?
or MEU - If you are with the FMF you will be with a MEU sooner or later!
You keep thinking that an 03 billet is "standard infantry". You have a lot to learn kid. A LOT!
MelloYello
12-04-04, 04:27 PM
LOL Get'em snipowsky!
Hmm the only thing I know the Marines have is 03XX. There are a couple of them but The USMC O3XX can do the same thing the Army Special Forces can do but better.
As our XO of our RSS told us. We don't need a Fing Mountain Division. In the Marines they do all the Jobs it takes one division of the Army to do. Which is sad because they have the better weapons and we still get the job done so they can occupy what we took.
If you want to wear a special patch join the Army.
jinelson
12-04-04, 04:35 PM
I do believe a free fire zone has been declared FTA
snipowsky
12-04-04, 04:52 PM
We don't need some stinking patches or berets to know we are elite. We have the pride of knowing we are the worlds elite and that is enough. Let the Army have their patches and berets to make themselves feel better, important and to boost morale! It's all just a facade anyways! I'm proud just knowing I'm a Marine for life and that's enough for me!
Per The American HeritageŽ Dictionary -
Facade: An artificial or deceptive front.
I hear that Staff Sgt. Jinelson, FTA! And yes a free fire zone has been declared. Take cover Marines!
femalemarine_89
12-04-04, 05:05 PM
I have to say that if you want to be a part of a family for life then you want USMC.. Marines are the best of the best....
DeNichilo 0300
12-04-04, 05:10 PM
Haha ARMY, lol he said ARMY ahahah..........
WEll put it this way you can try and become a Marine or go into Army bootcamp already as an e-1 they do call you a private down thier as soon as you step into Army boot.....
o0orah or hoohaa ?
I chose to oo0orah come graduation time, what will you do ?
cajunguy
12-04-04, 05:29 PM
Join the Army?
For Christsake - WHY ??http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/shrug.gif
Oh, I think I know why; so you can wear a "cool" fruity lookin' beret and tuck your class "A" uniform britches in the top of your boots. And don't forget all of those "neat" patches you get to wear.
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Oh, and lest we forget - you get to be an Army of One. Yay!!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/REDDANCE.JPGNOW I'm scared!
snipowsky
12-04-04, 05:38 PM
ROFL@Staff Sgt. Cajunguy! Get 'em Marine!
Well, not sure what to say,
I understand where snip is coming from but I will say this, I had this young man (well he was older then me) come to me in the gym and he ask me
'are you a Marine", I said Former...long story short, he just got back from talking to an Army recruiter and he wanted me to talk to him about the Marines... since I wasn't a recruiter. He said he was undecided since the Army "SEEMED" to offer so much more. I told him straight forward, "Sometimes the best things in life you can't touch." He enlisted in the Marine Corps 2 days later went to MCRD PI and graduated Honor Grad, merit to LCPL and is know a SGT. after merit to CPL and Merit to SGT.
Now, about the Army, I am one Marine that is not going to talk bad about them men. Not only because my cousin is a Ranger and I know how hard he really is but because I have a respect for anyone that serves this fine country. As a poolie you don't have any right to disrespect ANYONE that wears a Uniform of this beloved USA. Respect goes to all of them and you should start squaring your self away right now.
As far as making up decisions on what branch to go into... Well, you need to ask yourself what means the most to you and then go from there. I can tell you this... The US Marine Corps is small, elite, and is the most loyal machine I have ever seen in my life.
Poolee Macon
12-04-04, 06:04 PM
MAKES NO SENSE:
It makes no sense now to say you want to join the army if you just like the shorter time frame of boot..... it is now a 12 week event so why not go to the Corps for the same time period and be better at everything. I think it was already mentioned on this site but someone asked a new army private what was the farthest they humped with packs at boot and they said 1 Mile.... heck if you want that strap on a 65 ibs pack and walk one exit on the interstate.
garryh123
12-04-04, 06:41 PM
Marines' Hymn
From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli
We fight our country's battles in the air on land and sea
First to fight for right and freedom and to keep our honor clean
We are proud to claim the title of United States Marine
Our flag's unfurled to every breeze from dawn to setting sun
We have fought in every clime and place where wecould take a gun
In the snow of far off northern lands and in sunny tropic scenes
You will find us always on the job The United States Marines
Here's health to you and to our Corps which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we've fought for life and never lost our nerve
If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes
they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marin
You got Snipowski we don't need no stinking patches!!!
army patches just confuse everybody, who, what, where?
Marine corps Eagle,Globe & Anchor = No explaination needed.
We Stole The Eagle From The Air Force,
The Anchor From The Navy,
The Rope From The Army,
And On The Seventh Day When GOD Rested,
We Overran His Perimeter And Stole The Globe,
And Have Been Protecting Our Shores Ever Since.
Ive been wanting to join the military since I was about ten. Id always looked up to my grandpa who was a Lieutenant Colonel, Army, And because of him was giving the Army serious thought. Than one day something happened that made me madder than I have ever been in my life. 9/11. Need I say more on why that day ****ed me off? I think not. But so on that day I realized how much I DO love my country and that I wanted to do EVERYTHING in my power to protect it. On that day I decided that the Marines were for me. Watching the New York Firefighters running INTO the building while everyone else was running out of it. The courage and bravery they showed. The maddest day of my life, and the softest. I realized what man can do for what they believe in. And the only place that I have ever seen the same Courage and Bravery was in the United States Marines. Nothing against the other branchs mind. But Marines are Elite.
I have a task for you.
I want you to go out and ask each of the other branchs first, when there branch was founded
Marines were founded November 10, 1775
And second I want you to ask them Where they were founded.
Marines were founded in Tun Tavern
Can they answer those two questions? I doubt it.
But I know that every Marine can.
Thats my two cents
Pel
greensideout
12-04-04, 08:49 PM
I served in both the Marines and the Army.
I am proud of both times of service to my country.
I became a Marine and then later served in the Army.
Read that last line again---get it?
You can serve in the Army but you must BECOME a Marine!
There is no choice between the two as you suggest, because they are not at all the same. It is two different directions. With one you serve and the other you must become a part of.
As far as you "just picking" an elite group to join as some that you mentioned, I might ask---are you stupid? You must qualify after MUCH training to become a member of this units.
Well, you are still wet behind the ears so I will go easy with you. If you don't think that you could become a Marine (there is question) you have options.
But if you choose an option---you will never be a MARINE.
It's your choice kid.
jonathan32
12-04-04, 09:15 PM
The answer is brutally simple. Most of the time there are only 180,000 plus or minus people that can be called United States Marines. On the other hand, the Army has about 2 million people. The only logical conclusion is that the Marines are elite. Army means "aint ready for Marine yet". Semper Fi!!
Iheartthecorps
12-04-04, 10:00 PM
Well im just a wannabe and hopefully future Marine.But i do know a lot about history and ive done my research without the BS recruiters feed you. And well i can honestly say without biased (because im not a Marine nor is any family member of mine) there isn't a finer group of human beings than these incredible lifeforms called "Marines." I think about the Corps everyday all day....(no joke). Anyway besides Marines traning being better in every aspect you gotta take into consideration one of the most important factors. ATTITUDE. Marines have a much better attitude than their Army counterparts. Attitude is what keeps you alive in battle, and Marines have lots of it. If you get shot in the Army chances are they would rather leave you than risk another man. In the Marines they follow a lifestyle based off the latin term " Semper Fidelis" which means Always Faithful = they never leave anyone behind wounded or dead and are always there for eachother. Im just glad im given the oppurtunity to earn the title.:marine: You wanna be part of an Elite Army team?!?!?! why not join the Marines, the whole Corps is ELITE!
thedrifter
12-04-04, 10:09 PM
Iheartthecorps
Since You are not a Marine, I would reccomend You taking off the stripe and putting on a poolee one...
You have not Graduated Bootcamp....and the Marines do not take to kindly for those who do
The Drifter's Wife
Ellie
Iheartthecorps
12-04-04, 10:11 PM
Also i wanna add something. A Marine Infantryman on recruiter duty told me (today actually.) That he doesen't try to sell the Corps to anyone. He said if he needs to do that then more likely than not they don't have the desire necesscary to become a Marine. He then pointed to his heart. So you decide.....is it in your heart? because if not it seems the Corps doesen't wan't people like that.
Iheartthecorps
12-04-04, 10:13 PM
eh no problem with that.....just wanna add i never was trying to pose off as a Marine i think it just defaulted to that avatar.
I dont even like my friends calling me Marine nor will i touch my friends EGA......I haven't earned it yet.
thedrifter
12-04-04, 10:25 PM
Thank You
Somebody give Snipowsky a beer. He needs a breather...LOL
When it came time for me to look into the services, I first met with the Army. I told the Army recruiter that the only field I was interested in was aviation, nothing else. He didn't care what I wanted, he kept trying to get me to choose another occupation, one that the Army was low on turn-out for, like radio technician, and personal records specialists. I told him I wasn't interested in them, I only wanted to know about aviation opportunities. He wouldn't tell me about aviation, he just kept trying to pursuade me to join with one of those boring job titles. I was not impressed with our meeting, but figured I would probably end up joining the Army anyway. About a month later, I met with a Marine recruiter. I told him I wanted to go into aviation, I figured he would do a repeat of the Army and try to get me to sign on for a different occupation. But to my surprise, all he spoke of was opportunities in aviation. I was very impressed with our meeting, I really looked up to Marines. He made it seem more like why should the Marines take me, instead of the other way around. He didn't try to hide things, like physical and mental challenges of boot, the Army never mentioned this. The Army doesn't seem to care, as long as they meet their quota, but the Marines were different, they gave me more respect than the Army. I was so impressed, I signed on within a week, and never looked back.
:marine:
Several years back my company was aboard an Army base. I was the Company 1st Sergeant. Well, as usual we were outgunned and out numbered by soldiers, but that did not stop my young Marines having a...
KingSizeM&M
12-05-04, 11:06 AM
Sorry, thanks alot for clearing things up for me about the Marines and army I can tell the Marines have more of a brotherhood then the army does and thats what Im looking for.
jinelson
12-05-04, 12:13 PM
Abe's, that was an Outstanding post you were one awesome SgtMaj, I can only say that I would have been very proud and fortunate to have served with you. Semper Fi, Jim
KingSizeM&M apology accepted, at least now you know your questions will be answered on this site. Research the posts on this site all the way back to the beginning and you will get a better feel for the Corps and Marines. And always remember this, if you choose the Corps it must be because its from your heart, otherwise you will fail.
i was in Marine Corps JROTC. So most of my buddies all are in the military. It seemed that the ones joining the army or other branches were not as proud, excited or dedicated as the ones entering the Marines! I have noticed there is MUCH more brotherhood and loyalty in the Corps than in any other branch.
:cry: I SOOOOO wish I had the Chance to serve in the Marine Corps!!! I hope there will be a day I can become "The Few, The Proud, a Marine!:marine: !
Alan Hall
12-07-04, 03:34 PM
My father is a former Marine,My oldest brother,Myself,& now my oldest son which leaves for Iraq in january.I was so proud of him comming off that parade deck & it brought back so many memories I would'nt take anything for those days.We are a band of brothers.Semper Fi.
rockhopper
12-07-04, 04:29 PM
Abe's: never have I seen a better definition of esprit de corps. Outstanding.
For all the bashing for the Army, I do have something to say in defense of the US Army. <br />
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Kingsize, here's why you would join the Army instead of the Marines. I'm currently training on an Army base...
greensideout
12-07-04, 09:10 PM
SuNmAN, I see that you are at "Little Korea", Fort Leonard Wood.
If you run across LTC Chester White (he may be a full bird now), tell him hello from a SSGT that was his Training NCO when he was wearing a silver bar.
snipowsky
12-08-04, 02:52 AM
What you got Sgt. Toby M? Got any Miller Lite in that cooler? If so give me one or two! These undisciplined poolee's just get under my skin from time to time. Makes me realize how big a puke I was until I became a Marine. LMFAO
Semper Fi brother!
stodd241
12-08-04, 03:12 AM
I have the privladge of serving both branches, I was USMC from 88-92, but due to the Pres at the time, reduction in force was in. almost 10 years later, a former Marine told me about the National Guard, I decided why not. Now I am sitting hear in Iraq, surrounded by my fellow Devil Dogs. In my unit there are 22 former Marines, and to this day we are still proud and lift our heads higher then all the rest. We get and give the up most respect from the current warriors of the corp, Well all wish we were still in the corp's but we are still doing our part. I have never been one to bash other branches, we all have our part, eventhough I am Army National Guard, my heart is still with the corps. SEMPER FI.
Namvet67
12-08-04, 09:25 AM
The Marines was my choice. I had to prove something to myself and I felt the Corps would be the best test for that. However...we all can't be Marines. It takes a combined effort from all services to get the job done. The Marines are best at what they do. It's hard to be humble when you are a United States Marine. Semper Fi
gbudd, that's about the best definition I have heard regarding the Marines; it IS hard to be humble, isn't it?
TRLewis
12-08-04, 07:04 PM
You guys keep bashing the Army, but their infantry OSUT is 13 weeks. But like Abe said its their role they play. You need to ask yourself what do you want to do?
Do you want to be a Marine? There are alot of jobs for Marines to do. Every Marine is a rifleman first, the Marines unleashed a shooter in me that was begging to be out.
Do you want to see combat every 3 to 6 months? Be a Ranger.
Do you want to travel behind enemy lines and train guerillas? Be a green beret.
But you look like you need to be told what to do. Go be a Marine, go infantry, if they'll let you, enlist as recon. Do what it takes to be the best. Once you have it, no one can take it away from you. I haven't been here for very long, but I'm sure there were one or two Marine aviators in Vietnam who were captured as POW's and I bet their captors tried the hardest to break them by saying they weren't Marines. 4 years in the Corps is nothing. Do it, if you like it stay, if your tired of it leave. You'll be back.
KingSizeM&M
12-08-04, 07:41 PM
Not saying im the best ( I know im no where close) but I am a pretty good precesion bench shooter and I think I will be motivated enough to join the military considering I try to find out any information I can about it. Navy & Marines are mainly on my mind but I still have Army as a definate choice in my book. What ever way I go (Navy, Marines, or Army) I want to go Infantry Related. I play Airsoft with a Past United States Marine who was a 0311 and served in Operation Desert Storm and boy is he damn good at airsoft or what. He has told me and the fellow airsofters i play with some things about Force Recon training, Boot Camp, and the **** they did but for some damn reason I dont quite remember exactly the things he was talking about ( I dident really have being a marine on my mind). As far as I know I will definatly be talking about it with him this weekend.
Again sorry for the problem I caused with my first questions and feel free to correct me.
"What you got Sgt. Toby M? Got any Miller Lite in that cooler? If so give me one or two! These undisciplined poolee's just get under my skin from time to time. Makes me realize how big a puke I was...
greensideout
12-08-04, 09:51 PM
Angel, I'll have the Sock-eye Salmon and a glass of Chardonnay.
I'll have a whole bottle of Chardonnay waiting for you GSO...
greensideout
12-08-04, 09:59 PM
You're very nice Angel! :)
My pleasure.. You get to choose from Chardonnay to White Zinfendel... from Shiraz to Merlot.. any type of drinks you want! :) So just sit back relax and enjoy..
greensideout
12-08-04, 10:14 PM
The Shriaz is one of my favorites, prehaps I'll have it to top off the dinner. Thank you for offering the choice.
TRLewis
12-09-04, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by KingSizeM&M
Not saying im the best ( I know im no where close) but I am a pretty good precesion bench shooter and I think I will be motivated enough to join the military considering I try to find out any information I can about it. Navy & Marines are mainly on my mind but I still have Army as a definate choice in my book. What ever way I go (Navy, Marines, or Army) I want to go Infantry Related. I play Airsoft with a Past United States Marine who was a 0311 and served in Operation Desert Storm and boy is he damn good at airsoft or what. He has told me and the fellow airsofters i play with some things about Force Recon training, Boot Camp, and the **** they did but for some damn reason I dont quite remember exactly the things he was talking about ( I dident really have being a marine on my mind). As far as I know I will definatly be talking about it with him this weekend.
Again sorry for the problem I caused with my first questions and feel free to correct me.
I tolerate alot of things, but you're really starting to **** me off. Knock out a 100 for being dumb. Here you may need some help to go on your way:
www.goarmy.com
yellowwing
12-09-04, 07:49 AM
Hmmm...I keep hearing "I know..I am pretty good..I try...I want...I will", and lot of other self centered banter.
Marines have a very dangerous job. An we do it with a selfless attitude of total dedication to the team.
If you ever step on our yellow foot prints, the word "I" will be erased from your vocabulary.
And if you measure up to OUR standards, 13 weeks later you may say, "I am a United Stated Marine!"
al20852
12-09-04, 07:49 AM
I served in both, since I was drafted into the Army before college and went in the Marines after, although admittedly it was a long time ago. No comparison in boot camp. Marine training is much more demanding both physically and mentally. I don't think its any great challenge to graduate out of Army basic training as long as you don't get hurt.
But the real difference is when you get out. Even all these years later, I can walk down the street with a sweat or cap on with a Marine insiginia and other former Marines will stop you and talk, or simply say Semper Fi and walk on their way. "Once a Marine always a Marine" is not simply as slogan, and you will never get that sense of brotherhood later in life out of the Army.
Namvet67
12-09-04, 08:31 AM
Well, Capt al20852 summed it up pretty good. It's sort of like riding a Harley or a honda. It feels about the same until somebody sees you. Sgt. Smitty would appreciate this one. Good post Capt. Semper Fi
If you want all of this you better join the Marines. I am a rifleman and can do just about anything those units can do. I know someone in the 10th Mountain div. 2-22 inf. its not a bad unit, but I would rather fight with my platoon than that unit. Just my thoughts
Army:
10th Mountain
Ranger Reg.
Std. infantry divison (3ID, 1ID, etc..)
101st or 82nd Airborne
KingSizeM&M
12-09-04, 05:52 PM
I will do all you a favor and leave this forum. Some of you guys are just being complete ass holes to me. Keep it to your self if you got somthing to say because thats just rude. I would expect more respectful resposnes from adults, even though im "dumb". I have gone through enough of this **** from people.
Thanks to those you have added helpful information.
garryh123
12-09-04, 06:10 PM
Wow...If you cant handle this...you'll never make it thru Marine Corps Boot Camp
PacoNoName
12-09-04, 06:13 PM
I have a problem with people bashing on a young man simply because he has questions about whether or not to join the Corps or the army. I have a brother in the Army as well as some good friends...associating the Army with stupid people is wrong when they are out there in the sandbox with us losing brothers every day just as we are. If you want to find out about either of the branches talk to your recruiter...i wont lie to you...some of them will exagerate or even lie to you about somethings but in the end youwill make up your mind...being a man is about making decisions...if in four years you regret it then get out or go to the opposite branch.
As far as bootcamp goes...its both mental and physical...mostly mental...it is what you make of it. your drill instructors will play games with you all day...you will get punished for doing things wrong...and for doing things right. Your only best friend their is the recruits to your left and right as well as your senior drill instructor. The other drill instructors jobs are to make life hell for you and to get you in shape as well as making you drill nonstop...when you graduate...if you graduate you will be tip of the spear...as far as staying that way afterwards its up to you.
Being a Marine doesnt automatically make you the best, being a squared away Marine is what makes you the best...you have to take pride in everything that you do...whether your a Marine, Sailor, Airman, or Soldier...
greensideout
12-09-04, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by KingSizeM&M
I will do all you a favor and leave this forum. Some of you guys are just being complete ass holes to me. Keep it to your self if you got somthing to say because thats just rude. I would expect more respectful resposnes from adults, even though im "dumb". I have gone through enough of this **** from people.
Thanks to those you have added helpful information.
KingSize, you ask a question on a forum of Marines. What did you expect, tender lov'in hugs?
I have a few questions of you as well.
1. Why did you ask Marines about the Army? Are you "short" on history? If so, do some reading. Korea and Nam will probably take care of the Marine and Army relationship to help you understand.
2. You came here and asked your question without us knowing much about you. The result is that we poked on you to find out a little about you. You called us a** holes and rude. That translates into you being weak, quick to fold and maybe just needing to grow up a bit before trying becoming a Marine or soldier.
3. Not a question with this one, just a statement. I, for one wish you well in the future and that your choice will serve you well to make you the person that you want to become. But if you don't try to become a Marine, you'll just pi** me off.
You called us a**holes and rude. Thanks, I like that! :marine:
LivinSoFree
12-09-04, 07:49 PM
Well worn, but relevant:
"The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank GOD for the United States Marine Corps." Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945
Im dep'ed in I love everything of the Marine Corps that I have seen so far. To be disrespectfull to people who have earned what my life goal has become is the last thing I want. You all know that.
But I think you were alittle bit hard on him. I think back to when I was first getting into the Marine Corps how I was nervous to go to a poolee meeting. So nervous that my first day at a poolee meeting was the day that I dep'ed in. Hes intrested in joining the military. Thats a big step. He was looking into the Marine Corps. Thats an even bigger step.
The posts started out good showing him a brother hood giving him the honost differences between the branchs. Than he talked about wanting to re hear storys from a Marine, of course with the civillian nastys of "I know..I am pretty good..I try...I want...I will" He hasnt been to boot camp. He hasnt seen a world where you go the length for your brothers no matter what. Going out of his way to do good for someone just because they asked it of him. Shouldnt it be enough that hes intrested enough to learn more?
Sorry to anyone who that might **** off... Wasnt really my intent. Just my opinion and I stick to it even if you were right here screaming in my face.
I havnt been to boot camp
Im not a Marine
again anyone who has earned the title has my deepest respect.
So its my opinion that that didnt go very well.
Pel
greensideout
12-09-04, 09:49 PM
Ok Pel. It didn't go well in your opinion. So friging what!
You know? Things don't always go well in life---sometimes it sucks, big time! This is a little time.
If the "want-to-be" really wants to become a Marine he can move his butt down to a Marine recruiter and say I DO!
To you, take care and do well.
KingSizeM&M
12-09-04, 10:15 PM
Sorry about that, you have to excuse some of my dumbass questions and and foolish remarks. I just get fed up after awhile of the same thing like being called a dumb **** or waste of life but I just deal with it. Anyway, I really have nothing else to do in life and when I gradute high school I dont want a lame ass job like working night shift at pizza hut. Marines look like a REAL task from what you past and present Marines tell me and something like that would really be a test for me. Who knows how I will react to it but maybe I will find that out some day.
snipowsky
12-09-04, 10:58 PM
OMG He called us A$$holes. Never been called that before. LMAO
yellowwing
12-10-04, 07:10 AM
I've told this one before, I had the pleasure of buying a beer for a young Sergeant assigned to one of our MEU (Special Ops Capable). We were immediately relaxed and chatting like we had been best friends for years.
When they weren't across the globe fighting, his Marine Expeditionary Unit was constantly training. He said they had trained with Rangers, Green Berets, Israelis, Aussies, basically with any unit they could.
"Only the NAVY SEALs ever gave us problems, everyone else we kicked ass!" :marine:
al20852
12-10-04, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by KingSizeM&M
Sorry about that, you have to excuse some of my dumbass questions and and foolish remarks. I just get fed up after awhile of the same thing like being called a dumb **** or waste of life but I just deal with it. Anyway, I really have nothing else to do in life and when I gradute high school I dont want a lame ass job like working night shift at pizza hut. Marines look like a REAL task from what you past and present Marines tell me and something like that would really be a test for me. Who knows how I will react to it but maybe I will find that out some day.
Sixguns
12-10-04, 06:44 PM
To all:
A lot of valid points and facts have been presented. As a former career recruiter, let me just add my two cents.
If you need to ask whether to join the Marines or the Army, you have not done very much research on your own. Opinions are subjective. Let's look at the facts.
Compare the combat history of both... Winner Marines!
Compare the recruit training of both... Winner Marines!
Ask anyone on the street which branch of service is the toughest... Winner Marines!
Ask which service has the most pride and respect... Winner Marines!!
My list could go on, but I dare not. I have made my point.
The originator of this post is clearly a "Shopper." He is shopping the services to see who or which branch will offer him the best deal. We, as Marines, do not lower our standards or discount our product. Anyone remember the old slogan "We Don't Promise You A Rose Garden"? Someone is obviously looking for a bed of roses. The only way in to this gun club is to pay the full price of admission! Taking a lesser challenge is only going to reflect on the individual, not our Corps. SO encourage this individual to go in the Army rather than potentially deliver a leadership challenge to an unsuspecting NCO or SNCO. If he is not sold on being a Marine for all that the Corps is and has been for more than two centuries, let him go down the path more taken. Remember, we keep our numbers low and our standards high. I would rather not enlist a "shopper" and miss mission than take a "shopper" and jeopardize another Marine's or unit's mission!!!
Good Luck.
SF
***hole? I need a hug...I'm hurt!
airframesguru
12-10-04, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by KingSizeM&M
I will do all you a favor and leave this forum. Some of you guys are just being complete ass holes to me. Keep it to your self if you got somthing to say because thats just rude. I would expect more respectful resposnes from adults, even though im "dumb". I have gone through enough of this **** from people.
Thanks to those you have added helpful information.
W.T.F.O.......
Here it is my friend, the answer in wich you so dearly seek....
Go army, be all your little mind thinks it can be, and PLEASE don't ever call my brothers and sisters A holes.
There is more willingness to help others instead of themselves here than you can fathom. The pride of our Corps, our history and tradition, and the men and women who have came before even us requires a very special mentality. A mentality that you cannot seem to handle.
airframesguru
12-10-04, 08:35 PM
ALLCON,
Pardonthe Sempers at theend of the last post. It was a part of the profile that I set up initially. My appologies to all (except mm).
I will be in the pit.
KingSizeM&M
12-10-04, 08:54 PM
I most definatly was not calling all Marines A holes. I am not that disrespectful considering I have had past family members in the Marine Corps along with the Army & Navy. I was specificly talking to the ones who said some disrespectful things to me. I am sorry for that and I can only hope for those of you to accept my apology.
TRLewis
12-11-04, 08:42 AM
Tell you what dude, why don't you go on down to MEPs on monday. Sign up for option 19(11X infantry w/Europe duty station), leaving begining of January. Because I'll be at Benning on feb 9th ready to kick some ass in the SOI(OSUT). Then we can go and volunteer for Airborne together, and then RIP or SFAS.
Then we can see if you are Marine material, as a Sgt once told me, the Army was my Marine prepatory school.
outlaw3179
12-11-04, 09:57 AM
quit asking what the corps can do for you kid...what the hell can you do for us?
Master Sephiroth
12-22-04, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Nagalfar
Allow me to be the one who tells you why you would want to join the Army.. The training is pretty easy by most standards, and very easy by the standards of the Corps, When you take your leave from the Army, you are done with it, you are no longer in the Army just take the uniform off and walk away, when you take you leave from the Corps, you are still a Marine, and always will be, it is a lot more than a uniform you can just take off, it is a part of your soul, and for a lot of us, it is one of the best parts of our soul, and it will last and be felt the rest of your life, its something that is hard for a lot of us to even describe, its something you feel and know, deep inside you, we give Honor, Remembrance and Thanks for every drop of sweat, blood, toil, pain, sacrifice, that has been given in the name of the Corps, as a Marine you you feel compelled to protect that legacy, AND future, in the Army, I have seldom even heard of it, so, I guess that is what is meant by a "Army of One", meaning you are on your own, its just for you. After being in the Corps for a short time, you will soon realize, in a great many ways you are in this for more than just yourself, your in this for your brothers who standing next to you, weather you love him or hate him, you will still fight to the last breath to protect him, every bit as much as you would for yourself, in the Army, you are a "Army of One" to me that does say it all, you are in it for yourself, you dont have to lookout for others, just yourself. In the Corps, when you get anything from home, be it something as simple as some cookies, you will feel the need/desire to share them with the Marines around you, even if it means you dont get one, In the Army you probably not be compelled by the same motivation, you will keep it all to yourself, I have seen this more than a few times with my own eyes.
I think most of us if not all of us, have hard time telling you why you should join the Corps, how can you compare the one to the other when there is very little to compare by? it is like comparing a apple to a book, they are what they are, and yet they are nothing a like. I can leave you with this one thought, one of my biggest fears, was.. no I take that back my biggest fear while I was active, was not being there when my brothers needed me, I have found now that I am older, that is, and was, a common feeling amongst most all of us.. Semper Fidelis, is not just a saying, and it is also more than the motto of the Corps, it is a way of life.
This is what I admire about the Marines and it should be this way with every branch of the Military: Unity! Brotherhood! Not this "Every man for himself" bull ****.
femalemarine_89
12-22-04, 08:57 PM
I have to say that I have been exposed to all branches as a child.. I took the Corps because I liked the way that they believed, the way that they present them selves. If you want to be the best.. then GO USMC..
Master Sephiroth
12-22-04, 09:23 PM
femalemarine: What do the stripes indicate? I know the insignia is a Gunnery Sergeant but what do the stripes mean?
femalemarine_89
12-22-04, 09:25 PM
those are hash marks.. they are for each 4 yrs that I was in the Corps.. also to some people know them as service stripes..
perfectcircle
12-22-04, 09:25 PM
I'm not reading any of these posts, I can't sort through 5 pages of it so i'll just tell you my thoughts. I too had this problem. I didn't know which I wanted so I went for the Army. Yes, the army....I started to ask myself vital questions later,
What did I want to get out of it?
Why did i want the service in the first place?
What do I have to give back?
I realized I wanted a title, i wanted to be somebody, i wanted to put myself through a test that I never thought I could complete. I wanted to be pushed to limits that I never new that I had...and I knew, the Army could not do that. By all means, it may be for some people, but they just wouldn't push me enough.
If you want in to be a SOMEBODY, don't do the army. I have respect for american soldiers of all kinds, but if it's a title, if it's self gratitude you're looking for...Go Marines. Go ahead, try and talk someone into enlisting in the Marines..The ones I talk to for the first time cringe and go, "no way, that's too hard." THEYRE SCARED OF IT. That's a challange, something not EVERYONE can do, not EVERYONE can suceed at...that is why it's "The Few." If you want the challange, go marines, if you want a title, go marines. If you are trying to make something out of yourself, the army isn't going to cut it and i'm telling you that straight up and unbiased. When your term is up, your title is up. You will be an EX soldier and from then on, that is all you will ever be. When you graduate boot camp...a Marine, is all you will ever be, and you WILL be ...a somebody.
The Army is the Army, the Marines...That's for me.
femalemarine_89
12-22-04, 10:01 PM
that is an easy answer.. You cant compare the army to the Marines.. that is like comparing apples to oranges it just dont work. But depends on how you look at it.. If you want to be someone when you get out then you want USMC.. if you dont then you can go to any branch that you desire.. depends on what you want to do with your life.
Master Sephiroth
12-23-04, 05:52 AM
I don't see a difference between Marine Infantry and Army Infantry though. Can someone englighten me on that?
TRLewis
12-23-04, 06:42 AM
Before 9/11 Marine Infantry was more active, they would always be going somewhere. Depending on where you are stationed, the best example I can give you is where I was stationed on K-bay, with the 3rd Marines there was always 2 battalions away and 1 on kinda relax mode until the others finish their missions. They do practically a pacific rim tour, depending on what higher calls them to do.
The army infantry is alot more static, they normally stay in conus. While Marines normally go on floats, now what normally happens is you either goto the sandbox, or the mountains. Hope that helps.
Master Sephiroth
12-23-04, 07:17 AM
Thank you, sir.
al20852
12-23-04, 07:42 AM
Saw Mike Anderson, running back for the Denver Broncos, being interviewed recently. Anderson is a Marine and started in pro-football after his active duty. He suffered a devastating injury that many people predicted would be career ending. During his interview he said that he was a Marine, that one thing his Marine training taught him was that he would never give up, give it his best, and make every effort to prevail. He was confident that he would make it back, even at a relatively advanced age for a pro-football running back.
My point is that if you are a Marine (there are no former Marines) you learn life lessons that you carry with you the rest of your life, lessons that you share with thousands of other Marines.
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that you are unlikely to hear a professional athlete who was in another branch of the military speaking in similar terms. It's almost impossible to explain to someone who has not been thorugh it, but the phrase "once a Marine, always a Marine" is not just talk and it is, to my mind, the most important distinction between the Marines and other service branches. Once you earn the title US Marine you know, without any hesitation whatsoever, that you can confront and conquer any roadblock placed before you the rest of your life.
That is a very valuable thing to know.
Master Sephiroth
12-23-04, 12:05 PM
Before 9/11 Marine Infantry was more active, they would always be going somewhere. Depending on where you are stationed, the best example I can give you is where I was stationed on K-bay, with the 3rd Marines there was always 2 battalions away and 1 on kinda relax mode until the others finish their missions. They do practically a pacific rim tour, depending on what higher calls them to do.
The army infantry is alot more static, they normally stay in conus. While Marines normally go on floats, now what normally happens is you either goto the sandbox, or the mountains. Hope that helps
I meant the type of battles they fight.
Marines are First to fight, Last to leave. The Army kinda just goes in and occupies the territory.
"We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on? "
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff
during the assault on Grenada, 1983
"You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are. "
Father Kevin Keaney
1st Marine Division Chaplain
Korean War
Do those quotes help some BoazNaiman?
pel
Master Sephiroth
12-23-04, 04:03 PM
Yeah they do. Especially the former.
KingSize, here is a quote from a soldier who is not being all he can be.
Could someone please list the good things about America?
The overwhelming amount of negative input has put somewhat of a dampener on my spirit, the idiots in class, cashiers who can't do math (7.02 in merchandise, I put down a ten and 2 pennies and he stares at it for two minutes), obsessed single minded fanatics in every direction (from religious nuts to gamers who die of starvation because they're too stupid to stop playing, get up, and EAT), Reality TV, ignoring our Soldiers dying in favor of the latest on Britney Spears, those special kinds of jackasses we call politicians, our inability to recognize (domestic) terrorists (when will we bring the hammer down on the KKK? or Operation Rescue? or those psychos in Northern Idaho?) at home, and those wastes of protein and water, drug addicts and peddlers, child abusers and molesters.
What am I going to risk my life defending here? Why should I defend this ideal called "America"? I am a Soldier in The United States Army.
Why should I be proud of that?
This guy is a perfect example of what a man in uniform should not be.
My response:
Okay, I think I stole this from a video game, but it's true.
"Yes, this country is full of *******s, but there is also a lot of good here, and it's worth fighting for!"
Hell, if I didn't have this ****ing medical problem and would be eligible to serve, I would be in the Marines right now! You are a soldier in the United States Army. The greatest Army in the world. The country is safer because of you and all men and women in uniform. It is something you should be proud of.
I've only known two peole who regret joining the Army, but I think you should go to the Marines for reasons that only they could explain.
MelloYello
12-23-04, 08:31 PM
I think if you have to think about going to the Army or Marines then something is wrong.
You know what your looking for and what kind of feeling you want. No one hear can tell you which one to join. If you want information about the two do your on research. Read some books and watch some documetaries. This thread has being going on for a while and everyone is going to keep bashing you.
Now I read something about a Army guy saying that the Rangers have a 60% attiration rate. Thats funny. The Marine Recon has a 30% attiration rate. Thats a big difference. That just shows Army gives you everything and in the Marines you have to earn it.
Your a guy who wants everything handed to you. Join the Army and become an Army of One.
I don't think you deserve to claim something that many of us will do anything to claim. I know I do. I push my body til I can barely move. I am going to claim my Title when I go to PI on June 6th 2005.
Go to an Army forum and sign up. I think you belong there more than you belong here!
I was under the impression that the attrition rate for Force Recon was 50%...maybe I'm wrong.
But if you can make it as a Ranger, kudos to you. 60% attrition rate means that 60% of the people who try don't make it. I don't understand how you can say "Army gives everything to you" based on the Ranger attrition rate, because obviously the majority doesn't make it.
If you want to join the Army, good for you. If you think you have what it takes to become a Marine, even better !
But just remember that the average Marine is far better trained and disciplined than the average soldier, and if you ever go to war, it could make the difference.
TRLewis
12-24-04, 07:02 AM
Sunman, dont even try that arguement. It's easier just to let it go. Some people don't like the truth.
Namvet67
12-29-04, 03:24 PM
I thought this thread had run out of steam. Got curious and checked in again. Very interesting posts from the army and the Marines. The Marines win!!!
DuckSauce
01-13-05, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by MelloYello
I am going to claim my Title when I go to PI on June 6th 2005.
wow... you and me both, see ya on the island:D
Namvet67
01-13-05, 10:52 AM
I like those can do attittudes..Good luck Welbaum and MelloYello
yellowwing
01-13-05, 10:56 AM
If he graduates, MelloYello could change his moniker to PFC-Mountain-Can-Do! Get some
JAG5150
01-13-05, 11:08 AM
Either that or PFC Not so melloyello.
Namvet67
01-13-05, 11:18 AM
or PFC WTF did I do
femalemarine_89
01-13-05, 11:32 AM
LOL.. all those new names are cool.. Made me laugh and Im sick today.. Its funny how the threads that cause so much trouble on here actually keep going.. wonder when it will ever stop..
yellowwing
01-13-05, 11:32 AM
I'm just barely old enough to remember that old Donovan hippie song, "They call it Mellow Yellow"
MelloYello
01-13-05, 09:23 PM
Yellow wing its "They call me Mello Yellow!"
Moutain can do...I like that but I say get some all the time...
If your not trying your not getting anything out of it!
4 months 25 days til my day comes to enter PI- Home of the Sand Fleas
yellowwing
01-13-05, 09:26 PM
Outstanding, keep up your PT! The sand fleas love lean meat.
iroc3000cc
01-14-05, 11:01 AM
marines
DuckSauce
01-15-05, 09:56 AM
... now i know you ment to capitalize that M in Marines, right fellow Poolee?
:banana: <---just look at it go, haha.
yellowwing
01-15-05, 10:03 AM
I think you may be right MelloYello. "Moutain can do", does sound too much like an army slogan. :D
MelloYello
01-15-05, 06:26 PM
Look what the Army Mounties can do for you!
If I had to relate the Marines to a liquid of some sort it would have to be...man thats a hard one.
I think Oil would be it. Its tough and you have to work to get it. You can turn Oil into anything. Meaning Marines can be anything they want to be.
AshleyMS
01-15-05, 07:04 PM
Ok everyone here is my two cents worth. As a female that graduated Marine bootcamp and is now out due to a medical discharge(but going back in Sept of this year) its something that I think everyone...
iroc3000cc
01-20-05, 06:19 AM
yeah my bad. broken keyboard
TRLewis
01-20-05, 08:12 AM
this thread needs to be locked.
I couldn't eaven stand to read all the posts....LOCK THIS POST BEFORE SOMEONE LOOSES IT!!
POOLEE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MY CORPS... STAY THE F*** AWAY...JOIN THE army THAT WAY YOU CAN PAINTBALL WITH THEM!!
Gunny..............not so much coffee...!!! All this is, is a question and answer time.
I wonder if I were to go into a Ford dealership, and asked anyone who worked there............. Geee i'm really undecided should I buy a Ford or perhaps a Dodge..........No wait maybe a Chevy........ Golly-gee..........I wonder what the answer would be..?...........I really don't want to sound like a smart butt. But when this was posed as a question on a Marine Corps forum
what did this person think they would get for feelback. Most of us here honestly can't answer how life is in the Army. I read only one post that mentioned someone serving in both branches. So i'll be very honest with all the poolee's. Out side of scuttle-butt i've heard thru the years...........I really can't answer for the Army or any other branches of the military.
If you simply wanted to know about our Marine Corps. I could have answered you. But to compair them....I have no clue. You'd have to speak to recruiters from all branches. Or pose this same question on a Army forum...........This is about as tactful and honest I can be with you all..................Semper=Fi
KingSizeM&M
01-30-05, 08:57 PM
I posted this same question on Militaryphotos.net and was told by a member on there to ask here for better answers. I should have thought it through before posting a question such as this on a Marine Corps forum. Pretty stupid of me and Im sorry for any inconvenience.
greensideout
01-30-05, 09:04 PM
You learned, that's what matters.
Join the Marines and you will learn more.
111 posts... thats alot. Completly agree with what greensideout just said. And now that you realize the errors of your ways Im sure that we will never see a post like this again...
It is kinda fun though 111 posts 113 now... whats the record?
KingSizeM&M
01-30-05, 09:18 PM
I hope to do so some day soon. My friend recently returned from Marine boot camp and he has told me some interesting things. He is very proud to be a Marine and I respect that. He is currently away again for 3 weeks for what I think is where you learn how to handle weapons I forget exactly what he said it was. Correct me if im wrong.
Originally posted by KingSizeM&M
I hope to do so some day soon. My friend recently returned from Marine boot camp and he has told me some interesting things. He is very proud to be a Marine and I respect that. He is currently away again for 3 weeks for what I think is where you learn how to handle weapons I forget exactly what he said it was. Correct me if im wrong.
used to be called ITT years ago........but how, it might be something else............Semper-Fi
THATFEMALE
02-10-05, 02:51 AM
Listen to my Sergeant up in Utah. He put it best. Why don't you ask your local recruiter if you could join him on a poolee session. That way you could get a taste of what it feels like to be a Marine. Those sessions motivated the crap outta me. If you're mean't to be one of my leathernecks you'll know. As for the army if you like wearing your uniform everywhere you go then go that route!
p8ntballsnipr1
02-10-05, 07:30 AM
I am not a Marine yet but will be with in the next 18 mos, So i cant really say much about either service, but as for me, I have wanted to join the Corps for a few years now, seeing the Marines on Memorial day in the dress blues and just standing there so proud and tall, you could tell the hell they endured throughout the years. but to see a Man that belongs to a sacred brotherhood, Freedom fighter and defender of the faith, walking the streets of heaven and keepin the d**n towel heads out, seems like a good thing to go after a hard life on a broken raod for your country. I remember sitting down when I was little and hearing the war stories from my Grandfathers ( both former Marines) of their tours in Vietnam and Korea. alltho they never told me that real nasty details of war they made sure I understod that war is not pretty when I told them I wanted to be a Marine. But as for the Army, even as it may be that its not my place to say but an Army of One is nothing in the Field, you cannot defeat the enemy on your own, it takes TeamWork! so in other words, IT TAKES MARINES!!! But with all respect due - from the sounds of it, the recruiter made it out to sound like the Army is like a crusie to the Bahamahs compared to the Corps....
schoolcircle
02-10-05, 09:13 AM
Outstanding message p8ntball!
Master Sephiroth
02-10-05, 10:16 AM
I thought this was a dead topic
sm@@thrider
02-10-05, 12:29 PM
Why would you be so distracted Ashley if you ran with the opposite sex? if you think you are then you aren't putting enough effort to keep up with the PT! yes all services are different I have been through this, I went in the Marines for 13 yrs then Nat gueard(sucks) then now Army, each have there own opinions on how it is run. I tell you all make sure that you get copies and make yourself a file of everything that you do-schooling,certificates,rank,etc.. because you don't know when someone will misplace your files.
AshleyMS
02-10-05, 09:32 PM
Its just the point, I dont think that I would have got the training that was needed...my opinion! I personally believe that the "segregation" of the males and females was good. Think about it sm@@th if you were running with a female and she was bouncing all over the place what would you be paying attention to?!! Its nothing against the other branches, I just feel that with something like the military you should be trained seperately, its the whole get the civilian out, if you are surrounded by things that you are use to what would make it so hard. Hope you understand where I am coming from...if not...oh well..lol
THATFEMALE
02-10-05, 11:17 PM
Ashley listen to my Staff Sergeant here. My unit is made up of 85% males. Males are everywhere we go. I don't know how you pt but come down to K-Bay! I guarntee you that you will notice that during a pt session you focuse only on pt. I am very well endowed but hardly ever do I catch my male counterparts losing their bearing. It's all about being discplined. Theres a time and a place to socialize.
THATFEMALE, which unit are you with at K-Bay?
yellowwing
02-12-05, 05:08 AM
A serious PT session is about overcoming pain and pushing yourself beyond what you thought was possible.
You do it because you are part of the Marine Corps Team. Any slight distractions are trivial. It's just you and the road, pushing like hell not to drop. To drop is to fail right in front of the rest of the team. Any Marine knows that it is not acceptable.
If your Drill Instructors did their job, you WILL NOT let this happen, even if Brittany Spears is leading the run.
You will reach down deep into your character and pull one more ounce of motivation to finish the run. With lungs bursting and legs filled with lead you WILL finish the run.
We had a recruit run himself into heat exhaustion, because his desire to be a Marine made an emergency over-ride to complete the run in qualifying time.
We did not see him for 36 hours but he passed the final PFT. That's what we want in our Marine Corps. Folks that just will not quit!
Male or Female, are you ready to do anything to become part of our life long team? The pain is but a fleeting moment, to wear the Eagle Globe and Anchor is forever!
Let's hear an Ooo'rah if you agree!
:marine:
Ooo'rah!!!!
Ooo'rah!!!!
Ooo'rah!!!!
Ooo'rah!!!!
SEMPER FI
Originally posted by AshleyMS Think about it sm@@th if you were running with a female and she was bouncing all over the place what would you be paying attention to?!! [/B]
:D Well, dang it, I'll admit it, I would not be paying attention to running, thats for sure! I am a girl watcher and I enjoy watching them.
However, on serious matters, I am surprised to see this post still kicking around.
I do believe segregation in our recruit training is a damn good idea and we recieved kudo's for it during the mid-90's when sexual harrassment was running amok in the Army and Air Force. During the senate hearings our Marine officer's pretty much sat back and also pointed out we would not change our policy.
This also upset the Ass.Sec of the Army Sarah Lister under Clinton administration, I can only imagine because of our attitude; hence, one of many reasons why she refered to us (the Marines) as extremists.
However, about this time, Marines were slammed with the issue of hazing. A video tape of a Marine having his award pinned onto his chest. Taped by a frigging Lt! Naturally, we got heat for that.
We are not prefect, but I do not believe we should change our policy about segergation in recruit training.
I wish someone would tell me what I should do. Should I go in the Marine corps., army, navy, air force...? national guard, or scouts. I hear the scouts aren't to hard to get thru their boot camp..!!!
I'm 32 yrs old and I live home with my mommy........Now I know that sounds pretty easy and all........But mommy was a girl scout leader....and she can get really poopie to deal with at times.
So much for my back ground and all the trials in my young life.
I really need help in figuring out what I should do after I get my 4th masters degree in insect behavior. I really like the whole Navy look.........It kinda reminds me when I worked in a hospital...!!!
But on the other hand I kinda like the hat the Army wear..You know one..the beret!!!
I like the Marine uniform too.........I just bet mommy would be so proud.....If I were to come home with a cute girl. If I did go in the Marines...Do you think they would really make me fight?
If so maybe I'll have to re-think this.
greensideout
02-13-05, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by THATFEMALE
I am very well endowed but hardly ever do I catch my male counterparts losing their
---eye on me. They are Marines, what do I expect? If they weren't looking, I would be worried about them."
:banana:
Just hav'in fun with your comment---lol
Semper Fi
AshleyMS
02-14-05, 08:20 PM
See theres a difference between the Army and the Marines as we all know, they dont have much discipline. Majority of Marines do focus on PTing instead of who they are running with, but Army on the other hand would be more focused on the woman running beside them. Nevermind guess I am not putting into words as good as I would like to.
greensideout
02-14-05, 08:46 PM
Running and focused---Marines!
greensideout
02-15-05, 07:43 PM
K-Bay WM's---any of you know Cpl Bates? She is an MP and dog handler.