Kerry's Character and Edwards Lack Thereof

[thedrifter]

Kerry's Character and Edwards Lack Thereof

November 4, 2004


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by Jim Manion

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November 3, 2004 was indeed a historic day. The re-election of an incumbent President that captured the popular and electoral college majority, and an election that set a new record for a vote for President of the United States.

The media of and for the left called several states for Kerry very early, yet refused to call states for Bush when the numbers even exceeded the called Kerry states.

As the country rose to face the new day of November 3rd, the election was still in question based on the fact that no major news organization was willing to recognize that the sitting President had won the State of Ohio's 20 electoral votes by over 136,000 votes with all precincts reporting. That included FOX. It seems that the fair and balanced source for news had succumbed to the lemming like mentality of the socialist news organizations in this Country.

The numbers did not lie. The numbers provided a clear picture. President Bush had secured a second term. Yet there was no acknowledgment of his victory by any major news organization. The New York Post and Matt Drudge called it, but the Post and the Drudge Report do not have the influence of the cash that drives the major print and broadcast news services.

The Boston Herald had a HUGE headline stating "IT IS NOT OVER". The New York Times, the AP, CNN and FOX reported the election was still up in the air.

America knew, once they saw they numbers, that George Bush had won a decisive victory. Yet no news service with major advertising dollars would call it. Unbelievable.

FOX joined the ranks of the New York Time and CBS in the credibility area. Their decision to "play it safe" put them in the same league as those services that made an unapologetic and public effort to put a Democrat into the White House.

Major media is no more. This election has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your elitist pabulum and prognostications are fodder for fools. The American people know right from wrong; they know values versus amorality; and they are not the idiots major media assumes that they are.

John Kerry could have put this Country through hell for the next few months. His running mate would have done it. But let's give credit to John Kerry - he spared this Nation from a plague of locusts, locusts that happen to be lawyers. He did this despite the support he had from the media. He made his decision despite the sniveling insistence of his "Gollum" running mate that he unleash the hordes of blue suited demons to retrieve the ring.

John Kerry was a Statesman on November 3rd. John Kerry subordinated his interests to those of his Country. John Kerry made the moral and ethical decision to stand aside. In the end, a man's character is all he really has. I think John Kerry has found that connection.

John Edwards Will never find that link. Edwards proved on November 3rd that he has no loyalty to this Country. No loyalty to John Kerry. And no loyalty to the Democratic Party.

John Edwards tried his best to destroy Kerry's concession speech. He did not succeed. Kerry's presence and word focused the Nation on John Kerry's message.

John Edwards is unemployed. His State elected a Republican replacement. But we need not worry about Edwards; if he is within earshot of an ambulance, he will be fine.

Thanks to John Kerry for relieving this country of a "2000 uncertainty". John Kerry is no Al Gore.

But John Edwards is Al Gore times 10.

Jim Manion


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Jim Manion is a freelance writer, and a retired Major in the US Army Reserves Military Police Corps, and is an Honors Graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College. Mr. Manion now runs a small business in the heartland after practicing law for 24 years.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/manion/2004/manion110404.htm


Ellie

[docsavage]

John Kerry found and had his character long before November 3. He is and was a man of courage, one called to serve his country and criticize it when he saw fit. He has been criticized unmercifully for his courage to point out wrong when the majority was against him - two items of note, condemning the vietnam war and suggesting that we increase taxes. Very Unpopular Positions with the masses. The country has spoken to be sure; but in the immortal words of Mort Sahl

"I find true comfort in knowing that the majority is most often wrong"

I hope I am wrong about George Bush and that in his last 4 years, he heals the country, but I don't think he will. He is a man on a mission and that is to line the pockets of his "base" - those elite individuals who make so much money its ridiculous. Until these people feel the heat of war either through their pocketbooks or by sending their children, Bush will have their support and the rapidly disappearing middle class will support the country and its war - emotionally, fiscally and with their children.

Their task is done and they have succeeded.

My last comment is to the so called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

I call them the SwiftBoatScum and may they Rot In Hell

[OLE SARG]

In my opinion, john foreskin kerry lost any character he MIGHT have had when he started cavorting with the enemy as a Reserve Naval Officer. HE's the SCUM!!!!!!!!!!! He has lied about his past and please tell me why he has still not made ALL of his military records public - WHY - because he has something to hide. He is an arrangant, aloof, unethical, lying, jane fonda loving SOB. As for his medals, when you make up your own citations for an award you can put anything down. I got more injuries walking through elephant grass than kerry did with THREE purple hearts. I don't know about you but I never knew ANYBODY that came back from 'Nam with THREE PURPLE HEARTS that didn't have some REAL injuries. Oh, by the way, how many of us took our own film crew to Vietnam to film us walking through the jungle. The A$^HOLE is a phony and has ALWAYS had HIS BEST INTEREST AT HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, by the way, did I mention kerry spent 4 months in Vietnam.

SEMPER FI
OLE SARG

[Sparrowhawk]

"John Kerry found and had his character long before November 3," he was against the war and spoke against it during his college years when he was notified he was going to be drafted.

He then tried to get out of it, even made plans to leave the county, but then decided to join the Naval Reserves and that is what he joined. The reserves same as Bush.

But, His unit was deployed overseas and for one week the ship operated 200 miles from the coast of Vietnam which Kerry calls his first tour of duty of Vietnam.

During his second year in the service he was assigned to Vietnam and requested the Swift boat assignment because it was "safer," operated on the coast and because his hero John F. Kennedy had been a PT boat commander.

However when his assignment changed to do inland duty, he protested, tried to get out of that assignment because "combat,” was not what he signed up for.

His commander would not re-assign him, and he protested all the way. None of his fellow officers liked him; they saw him as scared and a coward, manipulative and untrustworthy.

His swift boat crew kept changing, as many requested to serve with other boat commanders, instead of with Kerry. All of his awards, self inflicted wounds were written by others from the after-action reports he wrote up. Self serving and self glorifying is all he did.

I trust over the words of over 280 Vietnam Swift Boat Veterans that manned those boats, and served before, during and after Kerry's thee (not four) months tour of duty, then one lone second lieutenants self praising words.

He endangered his crew to obtain self serving movie clips, which he told his crew he wanted to film to use when he ran for the presidency. Part of those clips were used in his ads, and never disclosed as being set up. The firing, and bullets hitting the water, all fake, not real action, but made to look like the real thing in the politial spot aired during the Democratic Convention.

He was the type of Officer that I would have left out in the boonies, the type that didn't care about his men and got Marines killed in combat zone. Officers that were scared, cried, shook like a baby during combat and peed in their pants. We were all scared but we didn't glorify or made up make believe stories, about what we did, as Kerry has.

I can count twenty to thirty Marines I served with in Nam that did, three to four times the true brave actions Kerry claims to have done and they never once were recognized for those actions. It was what we all did in war.

Like I said, never in my life have I ever despised anyone, as I do Kerry, mostly because of what he did after he came home. That is what divided our country then, and Kerry has divided the country again. America was untied, supportive of the troops, until Kerry brought up his war experiences as an honor, but shamefully would not mention or commend on his actions after the war. He should have been tried as a traitor.

Our enemies saw him as weak, and its one of the reasons Bin laden, French, Germany and scared world leaders supported his election, that tells you a lot.

As far as Bush supporting the rich folks, gosh, how easy it is for anyone of us to make money by investing, planning and investing the time and effort needed to make ourselves successful. They are the employers of many middle class Americans and today, some South Vietnamese that came here penniless are now beginning to reach those levels of wealth. California elected our first South Vietnamese representative on the 3rd of November. America is great, because of Americans have served when they were called to duty and have remained silent. The South Vietnamese population in Orange County dispise Kerry, because they saw him as a traitor to our country and contributing to their mistreatment by the North Vietnamese Communist forces.

Now, see what you went and made me do... wait til I tell you how I really feel about John Kerry....

and then there's John Edwards....

[docsavage]

While all you lifers dance in your private personal petty victory over john kerry, George W. Bush mocks your service. He used it against John McCain (is he a traitor also) and he used it against John Kerry. He has made being a draft dodger fashionable.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, the US is going down the tubes. But hey, you can be happy John Kerry hurt your feelings 30 some years ago and now you got even. Have you ever heard of the Greater Good.

Check this out about our current budget situation

http://www.slate.com/id/2109203/

[Skinnypup]

Originally posted by docsavage
While all you lifers dance in your private personal petty victory over john kerry, George W. Bush mocks your service. He used it against John McCain (is he a traitor also) and he used it against John Kerry. He has made being a draft dodger fashionable.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, the US is going down the tubes. But hey, you can be happy John Kerry hurt your feelings 30 some years ago and now you got even. Have you ever heard of the Greater Good.

Check this out about our current budget situation

http://www.slate.com/id/2109203/

#1 - Bill Clinton made being a draft dodger fashionable, not GW
#2 - Please explain how GW mocks military service. You can't explain that one.

John Kerry based most of his platform on HIS military service, not GW. What's next out of your mouth? "Bush lied about Iraq!" So did Kerry. Bad intelligence does not equal = "Lying" Should we put both on trial for "War Crimes"? What about Jimmy Carter for putting Sadaam Hussein in power back in 1979? Should we bring him up on War Crimes also?
What's your next argument?... "We were allies with Afghans, Jihadists and backed Sadaam when the Soviets invaded."
- Yep! We did... But things change. We didn't teach them to fly planes into buildings or to kill innocent civillians while they commit suicide! We bombed the **** out of Japan, and now they are one of our closest allies. Todays ally may become tomorrows enemy.
I can read you like a book docsavage! You see moral issues in gray, but matters of war & peace... Black & white only. If you're still serving, please get out, and quit saying to the fellow Marines that "War is always wrong, no matter what.", never trying to look ahead to see the consequences of not acting on a problem. Greater good my ass!

[docsavage]

Greater Good - Yes, its an ethical principal which I am sure escapes you!

The website has never made me happier to be an X - marine

[Skinnypup]

Originally posted by docsavage
Greater Good - Yes, its an ethical principal which I am sure escapes you!

The website has never made me happier to be an X - marine

docsavage... "The greater good, all mighty self righteous one"... Yeah it does escape me. Would you call me the "lesser bad"?

Yeah, I'm glad you're an X marine too... Tell me... Was that by choice or did they kick you out? Or were you even one to begin with? I didn't know Marines refer to themselves as "ex- Marine"

Glad to see you dodge my previous post. Couldn't handle the heat, huh?

[enviro]

Liberals like you are so freaking whiney. Don't get your way and you whine about how they stole it from you. Tear up the yard signs and march naked down the street. Beat up some cops and stand against everything.

Preach the same rhetoric over and over - the budget is bad, people died in Iraq - NO SH|T! That's what happens from time to time. Been happening since the beginning of time. Then every once in a while, a loser comes along and promises to change everything, and other guillible saps believe him.

America voted. It showed that they would rather have reality than broken promises and false hopes. Honestly - you have to be an idiot to think that everything will be fixed if only John Kerry were sitting in the oval office.

What can we expect from a disloyal ass who claims to be an X Marine???

You'll make no friends around here with that statement nor garner any civilized debate. You are a moron. I have no respect for you.

[Catz1611]

just passing by and saw this thread..read what "docsavage" posted and rolled my eyes..figured he was a Troll trying to stir up trouble..then I read how he refered to himself as an "X-Marine" that solidified my thoughts..what in idjit.

[docsavage]

So now you are questioning whether or not I served? Go to it - done in the finest tradition of the Bush/Rove henchmen. They smeared John McCain and I won't dodge that now.

George Bush stood on a podium while an army veteran stood in front of him and ranted and raved about why John McCain let the vets down. When McCain confronted him about it, he said that guy wasn't speaking for me. Their smear campaign continued by placing leaflets on the cars of people at meeting stating that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock. When in reality, his wife and he had adopted her.

I don't know the story completely about Max Cleland, but it was a similar smear.

And Karl Rove and George Bush were behind the swiftboatscum. That O'Neil guy was summoned to the white house by nixon after Kerry had gone to congress and made his testimony. Nixon was afraid of him and O'Neil began his lifelong service to the Republican party. Roy or Ray Hoffman thought that John Kerry was an exemplary sailor until he returned home. You all say he only served four months, well thats four months more the W

I haven't complained about having the election stolen or anything else for that matter - Bush won the election. I just don't understand given what he has done to the country. Have you read the link I posted about the deficit; the government will run out of money on November 18th because of this adminstrations fiscal irresponsibilities.

I haven't complained about the war, just the cost and the fact that you can't keep protecting the public from it by decreasing taxes and having the reserve put in extraordinary time; time they didn't bargain for. How is he going to provide bodies - we had a near mutiny a few weeks back, doncha think more of that is going to happen in the future.

We live in a supposed free country - if you want freedom, you should respect other peoples vision and definition of freedom as long as it doesn't impact negatively on your own - you can't force morales on others. Then its not a free country, is it? Call me a liberal, I don't find that offensive. But Bush has made it a dirty word and it worked.

I will be following him closely for his next four years. Quite frankly, he has made a mess of the country and if he doesn't clean it up, he will go down as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

Yes, I guess I am a moron or an idjit and you are all open-minded nobel laureates!

[thedrifter]

Play Nice Boys....;)


Ellie

[Debate_god21]

Just curious doc... are you a Marxist?

[DSchmitke]

Hey Doc settle down nosense in busting a gasket.

[OLE SARG]

Did I mention before that john foreskin kerry served 4 months in Vietnam. kerry hurt my feelings 30 plus years ago along with a lot of our POW's and he's hurting my feelings now just breathing my air - 'nuff said on this a#%hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't see losing friends and/or brothers over sh#%head kerry.

SEMPER FI
OLE SARG

[docsavage]

Perhaps you all should read this, but then again since you are set in your ways and thoughts - read here narrowminded, perhaps you won't.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6420967/site/newsweek/

[Sparrowhawk]

http://marines.bizland.com/kerryPH.jpg




You defend John McCain, but have you read McCain's book?
http://images.alibris.com/isbn/0/0/6/0/9/0060957867.gif

http://www.johnsmccain.com/contents/welcome/biographies/5.jpg

In it he admits having seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct by trading "military information" and making public statements that appeared favorable to the communist war effort in exchange for "special treatment."

This caused other POW's much harm, much like Kerry's betrayal with his false statements before Congress.

McCain is No Hero (http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm)

[greensideout]

"That's ok daddy, you did your best to fake". --- LMAO