View Full Version : Bin Laden Warnes Your State not to vote for Bush

11-01-04, 09:11 AM
This information (purposely mis-translated by the news media?), was posted by Ellie on another threat deserves to be repeated and have its own thread for discussion.

Did the news media purposely mistranslate the tape, because it would awaken Americans to oppose Bin Ladens warning?

The tape does however reveal that Bin Laden remains resolved to strike at America anywhere within America, and it is a strong indication that he still has active operatives within our borders that remain ready and are willing to strike at us at a moments notice.




Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush
By: Yigal Carmon*

The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera(1) on Friday, October 29th included a specific threat to "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state")(2) to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."
The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections."(3)

Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks.(4) This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce.(5) The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: "Some people ask 'what's new in this tape?' [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice..."(6)

Another conspicuous aspect of the tape is the absence of common Islamist themes that are relevant to the month of Ramadan, which for fundamentalists like bin Laden is the month of Jihad and martyrdom. Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals.

The following are the relevant excerpts from the speech; for the full excerpts visit the MEMRI TV Project at www.memritv.org:(7)

"Oh the American people, I address these words to you regarding the optimal manner of avoiding another Manhattan, and regarding the war, its causes, and its consequences. But before this, I say to you: Security is one of the important pillars of human life, and free men do not take their security lightly, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him explain why we did not attack Sweden, for example. Clearly, those who hate freedom have no pride, unlike the 19 [suicide hijackers of 9/11], may Allah have mercy on them. We have been fighting you because we are free men who do not remain silent in the face of injustice. We want to restore our [Islamic] nation's freedom. Just as you violate our security, we violate yours.

"But I am amazed at you. Although we have entered the fourth year after the events of 9/11, Bush is still practicing distortion and deception against you and he is still concealing the true cause from you. Consequently, the motives for its reoccurrence still exist...

"We had no difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration, because it resembles the regimes in our [Arab] countries, half of which are ruled by the military, and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents with whom we have had a lot of experience. Among both types, there are many who are known for their conceit, arrogance, greed, and for taking money dishonestly.

"This resemblance began with the visit of Bush Sr. to the region. While some of our people were dazzled by the U.S. and hoped that these visits would influence our countries, it was he who was influenced by these monarchic and military regimes. He envied them for remaining in their positions for decades, while embezzling the nation's public funds with no supervision whatsoever. He bequeathed tyranny and the suppression of liberties to his son and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of the war on terrorism.

"Bush Sr. liked the idea of appointing [his] sons as state governors. Similarly, he did not neglect to import into Florida the expertise in falsifying [elections] from the leaders of this region in order to benefit from it in difficult moments.

"We agreed with the general commander Muhammad Atta, may Allah have mercy on him, that all operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration would become aware. We never imagined that the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face this great horror alone when they needed him most. It seemed to him that a girl's story about her goat and its butting was more important than dealing with planes and their 'butting' into skyscrapers. This allowed us three times the amount of time needed for the operations, Allah be praised.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qa'ida. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

* Yigal Carmon is the President of MEMRI.

11-01-04, 08:51 PM
I visited the MEMRI TV Project link.
Take the time to look it over, watch the film clips.
Some pretty chilling stuff.
A look (in some cases) of how our enemy(s) see America.

11-02-04, 03:32 AM
Raghead propaganda is all it is! The whole goal of these radical Islamic governments is world domination, but instead of using a military to do so, they use terrorism (Iran) and starvation (Sudan). Not to mention our "allies" of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

This world is going to **** with the quickness. I could care less what reasons we use to justify pre-emptive strikes. They are our enemies and need to be dealt with before they kill even more of our countrymen and our real allies.

11-02-04, 07:03 AM
Bulldozers. Come on now, who is with me?

11-02-04, 07:16 AM
as Sgted, suggested.

The transcripts reveal the hatred the Muslim mind has toward America and Israel and how they will stop at nothing until the world is dominated by them and their religion.

That is their goal, while we sleep they plan, further destruction and to bring choas to the world until it submits to them.

Every American should views them



Thanks Ellie, its a good link.

11-02-04, 07:27 AM

Bulldozing has not been very effective for the IDF. Freakin' little street hoodlums are throwing rocks at this armored D9. That says something about their enemy. The IDF regulary bulldozes the houses of suicide bombers. 119 bombings later and they are still at it.

A comprehensive all out plan. Throw out the rule book the Pentagon is in love with. $250 million dollar F22 strike fighters, $1 billion B2s. How can they wage war on kids that throws rocks during the day and RPGs at night?

200,000 more boots on the ground with state of the art equipment, logistics, and maybe most importantly S2 support. The Air Force will just have to live with the F-15 for another five years.

11-02-04, 09:16 AM
Agree we need another 200,000 armed and angry boots and noses in the dirt...... However, where they gonna come from?

The percentage of men willing to serve out of the pool available is painfully thin. Take a walk through your local mall and be prepared to worry.

As for Osma bin Layin (goats) "F" him ... we should have nailed his skanky ass two years ago but we took our eye off the ball and he is still around talking his sh*t and worrying soccer moms.

Sadly too we are still, I think, to wrapped up in being PC to say outright, and often, that RADICAL Islam is the problem--not a state but a culture/religion/belief system. Somehow we need to figure out how to remove--aka kill--that cultural population! Even if it takes one bullet at a time....Just as medical science kills a cancer; one cell at a time.

My nickle

S/F !