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snipowsky
10-24-04, 06:13 PM
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In their boldest and deadliest attack yet, insurgents waylaid three minibuses carrying U.S.-trained Iraqi soldiers heading home on leave and massacred about 50 of them — forcing many to lie down on the ground and shooting them in the head, officials said Sunday. Some accounts by police said the rebels were dressed in Iraqi military uniforms.

A claim of responsibility posted on an Islamist Web site attributed the attack to followers of Jordanian-born terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The killing of so many Iraqi soldiers — unarmed and in civilian clothes — in such an apparently sure-footed operation reinforced American and Iraqi suspicions that the country's security services have been infiltrated by insurgents.

Elsewhere, a U.S. diplomat was killed Sunday morning when a rebel-fired rocket or mortar shell crashed into the trailer where he was sleeping at an American base near the Baghdad airport, the U.S. Embassy announced.

Edward Seitz, 41, an agent with the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, was believed to be the first U.S. diplomat killed in Iraq (news - web sites) since the war began in March 2003. Al-Jazeera television reported Sunday that the militant Islamic Army of Iraq claimed responsibility for the attack.

A Bulgarian soldier was killed and two others were injured in a car-bombing near Karbala, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry said. Karbala, a Shiite holy city south of Baghdad, has been quiet for months after U.S. troops routed Shiite militia there last spring.

The Iraqi soldiers were killed on their way home after completing a training course at the Kirkush military camp northeast of Baghdad when their buses were stopped Saturday evening by rebels near the Iranian border about 95 miles east of Baghdad, Interior Ministry spokesman Adnan Abdul-Rahman said.

There was confusion over precise figures, although the Iraqi National Guard said 48 troops and three drivers were killed.

Abdul-Rahman said 37 bodies were found Sunday on the ground with their hands behind their backs, shot execution-style. Twelve others were found in a burned bus, he said. Some officials quoted witnesses as saying insurgents fired rocket-propelled grenades at one bus.

"After inspection, we found out that they were shot after being ordered to lay down on the earth," Gen. Walid al-Azzawi, commander of the Diyala provincial police, said, adding that the bodies were laid out in four rows, with 12 bodies in each row.

In a Web site posting, the al-Qaida in Iraq, formerly known as Tawhid and Jihad, claimed responsibility for the ambush, saying "God enabled the Mujahedeen to kill all" the soldiers and "seize two cars and money."

The claim could not be verified but appeared on a Web site used in the past by Islamic extremists.

Al-Zarqawi and his movement are believed to be behind dozens of attacks on Iraqi and U.S.-led forces and kidnappings of foreigners. Many of those hostages, including three Americans, have been beheaded — some purportedly by al-Zarqawi himself.

The United States has put a $25 million bounty on al-Zarqawi — the same amount as for Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

U.S. officials believe al-Zarqawi's group is headquartered in Fallujah, an insurgent bastion 40 miles west of Baghdad. On Sunday, a U.S. Marine F-18 Hornet jet struck an insurgent position there, the U.S. military said. Witnesses said six people were killed.

Fallujah fell under rebel control after the Bush administration ordered Marines to lift their three-week siege of the city in April. U.S. commanders have spoken of a new offensive to clear rebel strongholds ahead of Iraq's crucial elections in January.

Scattered explosions rumbled through central Baghdad late Sunday but the cause could not be determined.

Iraqi police and soldiers have been increasingly targeted by insurgents, mostly with car bombs and mortar shells. However, the fact that the insurgents were able to strike at so many unarmed soldiers in such a remote region suggested the guerrillas may have had advance word on the soldiers' travel.

"There was probably collusion among the soldiers or other groups," Diyala's deputy Gov. Aqil Hamid al-Adili told Al-Arabiya television. "Otherwise, the gunmen would not have gotten the information about the soldiers' departure from their training camp and that they were unarmed."

Last week, a U.S. defense official told reporters in Washington that some members of the Iraqi security services have developed sympathies and contacts with the guerrillas. In other instances, infiltrators were sent to join the security services, the official said on condition of anonymity.

He cited a mortar attack Tuesday on an Iraqi National Guard compound north of Baghdad as a possible inside job. The attackers apparently knew when and where the soldiers were gathering and dropped mortar rounds in the middle of their formation. At least four Iraqis were killed and 80 wounded.

The extent of rebel infiltration is unknown. However, it raises concern about the American strategy of handing over more and more responsibility to Iraqi security forces so U.S. forces could be drawn down.

One American soldier also was wounded in the pre-dawn attack that killed Seitz, the State Department official. The attack occurred at Camp Victory, the headquarters of the U.S.-led coalition's ground forces command.

Seitz was believed to be the first full-time State Department officer killed in Iraq. Last October, a female U.S. Foreign Service officer was severely wounded in the arm in a rocket barrage on the Rasheed Hotel.

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, one of the architects of the Iraq war, was in the hotel at the time but escaped injury.

In Beijing, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) described Seitz as "a brave American, dedicated to his country and to a brighter future for the people of Iraq."

U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte said Seitz was a "committed professional" who served with distinction.

"He came to Iraq, as did his fellow Americans here, to help the Iraqis defeat terrorism and the insurgency, establish democracy, and rebuild their economy," Negroponte said.

Elsewhere, insurgents attacked Iraq security patrols three times late Saturday in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, wounding two Iraqi soldiers, the U.S. military said.

Last month, U.S. and Iraqi forces recaptured Samarra from insurgents but have faced car bombings and scattered attacks ever since.

Militants also targeted Iraq National Guard forces near Baqouba, wounding seven in bomb attacks that began Saturday, officials said. Three guardsmen and their driver were wounded Sunday while three others were injured Saturday.

In Karbala, Muslim al-Taie, an aide to senior Shiite cleric Hussein al-Sadr, was killed in a drive-by shooting. One of al-Taie's bodyguards also was killed and another was injured, a Karbala city council official said.

The militant Ansar al-Sunnah Army claimed on its Web site Sunday that its fighters assassinated Col. Taha Ahmed, a senior police official in Irbil, murdered the day before in one of the most peaceful cities in Iraq.

Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/iraq

hrscowboy
10-25-04, 08:47 AM
its time to nuke this damn ragheads just like we did the japs this is getting ridiculous...

HardJedi
10-25-04, 04:08 PM
what in the world were 50 soldiers, even new recruits, doing tooling around a war zone with no weapons?

snipowsky
10-25-04, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by HardJedi
what in the world were 50 soldiers, even new recruits, doing tooling around a war zone with no weapons?

HardJedi that's what I was exactly wondering. Sounds like they were setup. I wouldn't be caught dead in Iraq without a pistol or assualt rifle. That's totally insane. WTF is going on over there?

HardJedi
10-25-04, 04:25 PM
You Mention setup Snipowsky. That'skinda what I was thinking. Bad as it sounds, where these men used as a sacrifice of some kind for political gain? Kinda like the Massacre in kansas City in June of 1933. The FBI used that to gain a HECK of alot more power. Could this have been something similar?

greensideout
10-25-04, 07:21 PM
Setup, ambush or just poor leadership, training and trust?

greensideout
10-25-04, 07:45 PM
HardJedi, When I was a kid in Kansas City, I would ride my bike downtown to the Union Station and look at the bullet pocks left in the wall from the massacre and to watch the troops headed to Korea.
This past year I have been working across the street from there. (I didn't go far in life---lol.)

snipowsky
10-25-04, 07:58 PM
Never heard of this massacre, but I have now.

Here is the FBI version of what happened:

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/floyd/floyd.htm

MillRatUSMC
10-25-04, 08:38 PM
What I don't understand...al-Zarqawi is a Jordanian, and he or his group is killing Iraqi's.
Some are Shi'a Muslims and some might be Kurds.
On a page on the web, he states that he is a sunni muslim.
He seek a civil war in Iraq.
Why don't the Iraqi's deal with this butt hole?
I read that these Iraqi soldiers were line-up in rows of 12.
The number 12 must mean something to muslims.
One thing, they never do anything without it meaning some to other muslims.
There's also something about that they might have been infiltrated by the murders.
Bring distrust in the ranks.
They want a civil war, with no end.
I just can believe that those soldiers did not put up a fight...

Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
Ricardo

HardJedi
10-26-04, 10:05 AM
Hey Snipowsky? About that KC Massacre? it was all a set up. because of the freedom of information act, Hoovers files on it were released to the public.


Read a book, if you can find it called " The Union Station Massacre: The Original Sin of the FBI"

yellowwing
10-26-04, 10:38 AM
This is from March 2, 2004 in an NBC news story

Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind
Abu Musab Zarqawi blamed for more than 700 killings in Iraq

By Jim Miklaszewski
Correspondent
NBC News, March 2, 2004 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/)

With Tuesday’s attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq.

But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger.

In June 2002, U.S. officials say intelligence had revealed that Zarqawi and members of al-Qaida had set up a weapons lab at Kirma, in northern Iraq, producing deadly ricin and cyanide.

The Pentagon quickly drafted plans to attack the camp with cruise missiles and airstrikes and sent it to the White House, where, according to U.S. government sources, the plan was debated to death in the National Security Council.

“Here we had targets, we had opportunities, we had a country willing to support casualties, or risk casualties after 9/11 and we still didn’t do it,” said Michael O’Hanlon, military analyst with the Brookings Institution.

Four months later, intelligence showed Zarqawi was planning to use ricin in terrorist attacks in Europe.

The Pentagon drew up a second strike plan, and the White House again killed it. By then the administration had set its course for war with Iraq.

“People were more obsessed with developing the coalition to overthrow Saddam than to execute the president’s policy of preemption against terrorists,” according to terrorism expert and former National Security Council member Roger Cressey.

In January 2003, the threat turned real. Police in London arrested six terror suspects and discovered a ricin lab connected to the camp in Iraq.

The Pentagon drew up still another attack plan, and for the third time, the National Security Council killed it.

Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.

The United States did attack the camp at Kirma at the beginning of the war, but it was too late — Zarqawi and many of his followers were gone. “Here’s a case where they waited, they waited too long and now we’re suffering as a result inside Iraq,” Cressey added.

And despite the Bush administration’s tough talk about hitting the terrorists before they strike, Zarqawi’s killing streak continues today.