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CAR
09-10-04, 01:50 AM
Not sure if this has been posted before or not but I just learned of this web site and figured if others didn't see it yet- Here Ya Go.

It is writings of Servicemen who are in or recently back from Iraq. It is their accounts.

If everyone knows about this, I apologize for being slow:)

www.optruth.com

JAMarine
09-10-04, 02:03 AM
Thanks for the INFO!

rich

James C Simpson
09-10-04, 08:20 AM
its a nasty job but someone has to do it ,other wise these people(4 the most part army)would not have the freedom they have to do their webpage.it is just to bad that folks are motivated by selfinterest rather than HUMAN COMPASSION .the human violations all across this world are not something that just started in our lifetime an yet those who have the power to make that change willnot lift a finger unless they or their personnel interest are affected or are forced to. Am i my brothers keeper? If u say no then expect no mercy neither from man nor GOD. Just remember,somewhere tho another humanbeing took it upon his/herself to be your keeper so that you could enjoy freedom . When we help others we help ourselves,no matter where they live.we (even the poorest of Americans)are better off than a whole lot of people an they can not help where they were born,but if they cry for help or if we see their needs an stand by an do nothing we are guilty of turning our backs on our extended WORLDWIDE FAMILY. No matter what the reason for THE PRES. waging war the time to stop the dictatorship an killing of people who only wanted the same freedoms we enjoy,was long overdue.Putting personnel and Political beliefs aside life is to short,an with all the scientific an technical knowhow today the world is to small a place for for all the bull that has been tolorated for centurys(racism,genocide,etc... Semper Fi simpson

Sparrowhawk
09-10-04, 01:30 PM
Bobby Muller aka Bob Muller aka Robert O. Muller is;

An ANTI-War individuals that was involved with John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans against the war protest and demonstrations. He and Ron Kovic once may have shared bunks together at a VA hospital.

Far from always faithful, Muller the founder of this organization has a checked past.

Involved with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War VVAW,

The original VVAW split in 1978 when a minority broke away to form Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAWAI)with the larger faction retaining the original name.

Both the VVAW and VVAWAI remain in operation today.

In 1980, former VVAW leader Robert Muller founded the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF).

In 1981, Robert (aka Bob, or Bobby) Mueller led a controversial VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praised the communist leadership of Vietnam and laid a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi Minh.

Bobby Muller founder of "Operation Truth" was also involved with the Winter Soldier hearing where so called Vietnam veterans testified (but not under oath) about the crimes they had commited in war.

A later congressional invesitgation revealed that the majority of those testifying were not real veterans, but homeless individuals given spending money by Jane Fonda and others for their fake testimonies.


It was those testimonies that John Kerry spoke about in 1971 as truth before Congress. Kerry and Muller are good buddies.... and both liars.

I wouldn't trust anything Muller posts on his web site.


One link to Muller (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/08-14-2000/vo16no17_vietnam.htm)


"The VVA’s roots trace back to the radical Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which reliably retailed the Marxist line on most issues and railed against U.S. military and foreign policies. Robert O. Muller, one of the top VVAW activists, later formed the VVA, and with the help of Senator John Kerry (one of his VVAW comrades) obtained a federal charter for his new group.

Muller was soon raising money from the likes of Jane Fonda, Ed Asner, Bruce Springsteen, and porn peddler Bob Guccione (Penthouse). In 1981 Muller led a VVA delegation to Vietnam where he provided the Communist government with a bonanza of propaganda victories. He placed a wreath on the tomb of Ho Chi Minh and then gushed his admiration for the Communist butcher. Muller concluded his pilgrimage with an appeal for the U.S. government to shower Hanoi with foreign aid."





SF

Cook

radio relay
09-10-04, 03:58 PM
it should be left-truth.com...

I saw a guy being interviewed on a show on Fox (not sure which one), who was tauting that optruth web site. He was very pro-Bush, and stating how the truth is not getting out about the mission in Iraq, etc. So, figured I go check it out.

What I see is a site disguised to look legitimate, "moderate", and pro-military. Its just the the usual leftwing anti-war crap. Second guessing of the war in Iraq, and we need to cut and run, because that would be the only "right thing to do for our troops" mantra.

And yes, "Booby" Muller is leftwing jerk. Every bit as much of an underhanded, coniving scum bag, as John "Fonda" Kerry.

CAR
09-10-04, 05:38 PM
Cook,
Thanks for the info on Muller. I saw a pretty motivated Army dog on Fox talking about it so I read a couple of "letters" from guys who were their. Some decent and some good. I guess I should have checked more into the sponsors. I didn't know about Muller's past stuff. Thanks again

radio relay
09-10-04, 06:51 PM
...was the guy featured on the first page of the site. Read what he has to say on the website. It ain't anything like what he said in his interview on Fox! Just b!tching about how he was lied too, and G.I.'s are dieing for nothing in Iraq, yadda yadda yadda!

Echo5
09-11-04, 03:17 AM
I read that first one too. Kerry 2004?

Sparrowhawk
09-14-04, 08:14 PM
Stand UP?


http://www.pe.com/dayphotos/news-2004-09-12/kerry_lied_rally12_600.jpg