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Eaglestrikes
08-28-04, 03:57 PM
Go here.
Read.
True?
Not True?
Some truth?
I will post the link with the the story.
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Lind_080504,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl

William S. Lind: Corruption In The Corps?

August 5, 2004

In an earlier column, "Two Marine Corps," I alluded to the increasing corruption I see at Quantico and in Marine Corps Headquarters. A number of Marines have asked me what I meant by that. Are Marines taking envelopes of money under the table? Are defense contractors flying them to Vegas for free weekends of poker, booze and floozies?

Well, floozies are usually a big draw with Marines, but that is not the kind of corruption I am talking about. Even most Congressmen know better than to take money under the table; it is much safer to wait until they retire, then get paid off by the interests they served, often with well-remunerated positions on boards of directors.

The corruption I had in mind is more subtle, and perhaps also more dangerous. It is corruption of institutional purpose.

When I first came to Washington in 1973 to join the staff of Senator Robert Taft, Jr. of Ohio, I assumed naively that our armed forces defined themselves in terms of winning battles, campaigns and wars. Senator Taft thought that is what they should be about, which is why working for him was both a pleasure and an honor. But I quickly discovered that for three of the four, victory was defined less in military than in bureaucratic and political terms. The Army, the Navy and the Air Force had already lost sight of their institutional purposes. What they were about, at senior levels, was selling programs and getting money from Congress. Whether the program had any relevance to war was not important, so long as it sold.

My wake-up call came when the Navy approached the Senate Armed Services Committee, on which Senator Taft served, with a request for $1.4 billion (in 1974 dollars) for a nuclear-powered "Strike Cruiser." Senator Taft and I had the same response: How do you fight the Soviet Navy, which was largely a submarine navy, with nuclear-powered cruisers? The Navy had no answer, and Taft led the fight to kill the program. The ship was never built, and the Navy has hated me ever since.

At that time, and for many years more, up until the mid-1990s, there was one service that stood out as an exception to the corruption of institutional purpose: the Marine Corps. At all levels, including the most senior, the Marine Corps was still about war, not money. When I began writing on maneuver warfare in 1976, Marines of every rank were interested. They weren't quite sure what I was talking about - there was then very little literature in English on the evolution of German military doctrine - but if it pertained to war, they felt they should learn. That joint effort of civilians, Marines, and Air Force Colonel John Boyd culminated in the adoption of maneuver warfare as the Marine Corps' official doctrine when Al Gray became Commandant.

Sadly, the Marine Corps is no longer an exception. As has long been true with the other services, now, if you talk about war at Quantico or HQMC - especially Fourth Generation war, the kind of war Marines are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan - you are neither right nor wrong, you are simply irrelevant. Fourth Generation war does little to justify programs and increase budgets, so it is not of interest. The "real world" is the world of budget politics, not war.

As I said, this type of corruption, corruption of institutional purpose, is subtle. Few Marines, or soldiers, sailors, or airmen for that matter, ever make an explicit, conscious choice to become corrupt in this way. They merely accept the rules of the game as given and play by them, and that is all it takes. As members of hierarchical, bureaucratic organizations, they have been encouraged since their first day at OCS to play by the rules. Thinking about whether those rules were valid was "above their pay grade" - and still is, even when they become generals.

Ironically, corruption of institutional purpose was one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell. It is inherent in socialism, because it is a natural tendency of government bureaucracies. Absent an annual balance sheet that shows either black or red ink, there is little mechanism to keep an institution's focus on the outside world where its intended purpose lies.

A friend of mine who holds a senior position in the Pentagon gives a briefing around the building in which one slide says, "The Pentagon now controls the world's largest planned economy." No one blinks. It is fair to say that the American armed forces are now little more than the Soviet refrigerator industry in odd-looking green or blue suits? With individual exceptions, at senior levels and in major headquarters, I think it is. There, the only difference I now see between the Marine Corps and the rest is that the Marines' dysfunctional refrigerators are somewhat smaller.
William Sturgiss Lind, Director of the Center for Cultural Conservatism at the Free Congress Foundation, is a native of Cleveland, Ohio, born July 9, 1947. He graduated magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa from Dartmouth College in 1969 and received a Master's Degree in History from Princeton University in 1971. He worked as a legislative aide for armed services for Senator Robert Taft, Jr., of Ohio from 1973 through 1976 and held a similar position with Senator Gary Hart of Colorado from 1977 through 1986. He joined Free Congress Foundation in 1987.

Mr. Lind is author of the Maneuver Warfare Handbook (Westview Press, 1985); co-author, with Gary Hart, of America Can Win: The Case for Military Reform (Adler & Adler, 1986); and co-author, with William H. Marshner, of Cultural Conservatism: Toward a New National Agenda (Free Congress Foundation, 1987). He has written extensively for both popular media, including The Washington Post, The New York Times, and Harper's, and professional military journals, including The Marine Corps Gazette, U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings and Military Review.

Mr. Lind co-authored the prescient article, "The Changing Face of War: Into the Fourth Generation," which was published in The Marine Corps Gazette in October, 1989 and which first propounded the concept of "Fourth Generation War." Mr. Lind and his co-authors predicted that states would increasingly face threats not from other states, but from non-state forces whose primary allegiance was to their religion, ethnic group or ideology. Following the events of September 11, 2001, the article has been credited for its foresight by The New York Times Magazine and The Atlantic Monthly.

Mr. Lind is co-author with Paul M. Weyrich of the monograph: "Why Islam is a Threat to America and The West." He is the author of "George W. Bush's `War on Terrorism': Faulty Strategy and Bad Tactics?" Both were published in 2002 by the Free Congress Foundation

Lock-n-Load
08-28-04, 04:25 PM
:marine: I read the link...I say the story is...TRUE...anytime the human element is involved, it becomes suspect...Fourth Generational War is a good name for why we can't finish of a war since WW2...why are our gallant Marines hamstrung in key cities in Iraq??...I thought [Jan 2004] when over 25,000 combat Marines were allocated all over Kuwait amd Iraq, these numbers would finally give us a clear cut victory for the masses of Iraqi people; instead,it has turned into a "yo/yo war"...lay waste to the enemy one day and the next day a cease fire descends across a battleground...this has happened often in our war in Iraq...sounds like Korea and Vietnam all over again to me...there is no substitue for victory, that's the design in which America has always fought for [1775-1945].:marine:

CMyr
08-28-04, 07:22 PM
"The Pentagon now controls the world's largest planned economy." No one blinks.

It could be that for years the government has been seen as the world's largest employer, so these words wouldn't make people at the Pentagon blink.

MillRatUSMC
08-29-04, 12:53 AM
Reminds me of a teacher teaching welding to welding apprentices.
One day they were studing Tig or Tungsten Inert Gas welding.
he was talking about a technique in that form of welding.
All these apprentices were co-workers of mine and many had done tig welding.
They requested that he show them how.
His next remarks were "Oh I just read what in your book."
Reading his resume, I see only college and service with a Senator.
Don't see any service or combat.
Are Marines or the Marine Corps corrupt the way he says?
My belief is that your point of view depends on where you're standing...

Semper Fidelis/Semper Fi
Ricardo

PS I don't think much of these so called experts

James C Simpson
08-29-04, 07:08 AM
Good Morning SSGT MillRatUSMC Pardon the pun but who gives a FAT RATS A__ if he has any military service go figure if for the most part the church is corrupt why would any one in their right mind not believe the military wasnt wake up people its all big business an big business is goverment.ESPRIE DE CORPS/SEMPER FIDELIS are only words to those who think they are not expendable but are a Way of Life to the rest of us whom they deem expenable . Your Brother in The Lord JESUS THE CHRIST and THE CORPS ; SIMPSON

Sparrowhawk
08-29-04, 07:49 AM
Instead of submitting to the ways of government, when in the Corps we simply stole (borrowed) what we needed from the Army, Navy, and Air Force.



I guess what they have now, in no longer worth a buck, so we might have to play the political scavenger bit, but that's how you get what you need for your troops, or you do without. Heck we didn't get jungle fatigues for months in Nam, while all the pogges, Air Force, Army and sailors had them in the rear. I didn't get a pair of jungle boots with the reinforced steel sole until I was a few weeks short of leaving.


Why wait for the crumbs that fall from the master’s table? You date his daughter and move him out, and win your battles.

Is it corruption of institutional purpose?

When the latest toy can save a life of the Marine in the field. It just maybe true that "The one with the most toys wins."

After all, “throwing a fifteen-foot rope to a man drowning thirty feet from shore,” is not going to save hm.


War is costly, financially, physically and emotionally and every war if we fight to win; if I can use Taft’s own words here,” threatened the cherished American ideals of limited government and separation of powers." But you cannot have freedom without peace, and you can't have peace without war, fighting for that freedom is not cheap.

Why battle the Russian Navy one sub at a time out in the vast ocean when you can nuke his home base and wait till he comes up for air.

Our Congressional leaders have no vision on how we are to win wars in the future without the sacrifice of our troops. If they did, they would be the ones asking to help our military get the best weapons money can buy, instead of paying for weapons they can obtain from the lowest bidder and hoping it works in the battlefield.