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tracrat
07-25-04, 10:45 AM
Need help. Does anyone know if a standard 7.62x39mm round will penetrate the armor of the Cadillac Gage V-150 "Commando" armored car. The SWAT team of Jacksonville Sheriff's Office has procured one and one of their members came to me and asked. So far, I have not found anything on-line to give them an answer. We are dealing with a lot AK style assault rifles right now on the street and any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Sam "tracrat"

YAT YAS

Sparrowhawk
07-25-04, 03:02 PM
In Nam they were called Rubber-ducks, but don't know if that was because of its weak amour or because they could swim.

They maybe able to stop small arms fire but in today's society you might have to be more concerned about RPG's or other terrorist type weapons.

Targeting the gas tanks on the vehicle is a concern. One thing we learned in Nam was not to trust any metal under us for protection; When we traveled on amtracks we liked to sit on top of a row of sandbags for that extra cushion of safety.




SF

Cook

tracrat
07-25-04, 03:10 PM
my buddy was kind of concerned since he is tasked as the driver...we were both amtrac crew apes and he thought the armor on the V-150 was comparable to the amtrac...if thats the case, if you strip off the camo paint you will see "Budweiser" underneath..nothing but good ole aluminum armor...he will be thrilled to hear about the gas tank...

HardJedi
07-25-04, 03:26 PM
Not sure about that vehicle in particular. but if it is armoured anything like the old Dragoons( a vehicle we used in on Guam) then we were told that the penetrating power of a 7.62x39 vs. it's armour depended on the distance the weapon was fired from.


course, this is a 12 year old memory I am recalling here ;)

tracrat
07-25-04, 05:16 PM
i believe it is similiar to the dragoon if not the same thing...4 wheeled vehicle capable of mounting various turrets and weapon systems...carry a couple of grunts in the back too..kind of looks like the old British Ferret armored car also..i think they are (or were) used by Marine Security Forces guardin key naval stations where nukes are present...i will pass on the info regardin distance...thanks

Sam

TracGunny
07-25-04, 08:36 PM
Still looking for armor protection characteristics for the Commando Armored Car...TG <br />
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Armor piercing cartridges for small arms weapon systems type classified <br />
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By Alan Li <br />
Ammunition Product...

TracGunny
07-25-04, 11:40 PM
Still looking for Armor Performance - TG

CADILLAC GAGE V-100XM 706E2 "COMMANDO" ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER

The V-100 APC originally was designed for convoy escort, reconnaissance, or police riot control. The first prototype was completed in March 1963 and production began in 1964. It is an amphibious vehicle with a hull of welded, high hardness ballistic armor plating which protects against small arms fire, grenades, and anti-personnel mines. The commando was used extensively in Southeast Asia, not only by the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force, but also by the Army of the Republic of Vietnam and Thai forces. The V-100, designated XM 706E2 by the USAF, was employed by Air Force personnel for base perimeter defense during the was in Southeast Asia.

The vehicle on display was turned over to the USAF for operational use in September 1969 and was acquired by the Museum from Ft. Sill, Oklahoma, in 1987.

It is displayed as received, but will be restored when workload priorities permit.

SPECIFICATIONS
WIDTH: 7 ft. 5 in.
LENGTH: 18 ft. 6 in.
HEIGHT: 6 ft. 4 in.
WEIGHT: 16,250 lbs. loaded
ARMAMENT: In USAF version, two top-mounted M-60 machine guns, or hand weapons fired by crew through hull gun ports
ENGINE: One Chrysler 361 cu. in. V-8 gasoline engine of 200 hp.
POWERTRAIN: Manual 5-speed transmission with 4-wheel drive
CREW: 12 including driver
PERFORMANCE
Maximum Speed - Land: 62 mph.
- Water: 3.4 mph.
Range - Road: 550 miles
- Cross Country: 400 miles

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/vfe/vfe2a.htm

LAV-150 Commando
Specifications
Name V150 Commando
Crew 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver) + 2 troops
Combat Weight V-150 21,800 Lbs. V-150S 24,000 lbs.
Hull length V-150 18ft 8 in ; V150S 20ft 2 in
Width 7ft 5 in
Height 6 ft 6in
Ground Clearance 25.5 in
Main Armament Options for the V-150-150S)
2 7.67mm 800 rounds ready, 3000 in hull
2 12.7mm 400 rounds ready , 1,000 in hull
1 20mm Oerlikon 200 rounds ready 200 in hull
1 25 mm 200 ready, 200 in hull
1 20mm Vulcan 1300 rounds ready
1 30mm
1 12.7mm MG and 40mm Grenade launcher
1 76mm 8 round ready, 31 in hull
1 90mm 8rounds ready 31 in hull
1 81mm morter 62 rounds in hull
TOW missile 7 missile in hull
Sensors and Fire Control none
Armor Cadloy steal plate protects against 7.63mm fire
Powerplant Chrysler 191-hp liquid cooled V-8 gasoline engine, power-to-weight ratio 20:23 hp / metric ton
Spension 4x4 ( all wheels powered, front wheels steering), solid beam asle, semi-elliptical multileaf spring, double hydraulic shock absorbers
Speed 55mph, 3.1mph in water, road range 500 miles, cross country range 400 miles
Obstacle Clearance vertical V-100/500 2ft 0 on V-150S 3 ft 0un amphibipous

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/lav-150-specs.htm

The V-100 Commando was a highly mobile, fully amphibious armored car used for reconnaissance, convoy escort, riot control, security and as a personnel carrier. The vehicle protected the crew from small arms fire, grenades and anti-personnel mines. All surfaces were angled for maximum deflection. The armor is up 1/4 inch thick. The vehicle is powered by 215 hp, 361 cu inch Chrysler V8 engine. Its 4 wheel drive, run flat tires and high clearance give it excellent mobility. It has a 550 mile range. Cadillac Gage built them in the mid- to late- 60s.

The V-100 APC originally was designed for convoy escort, reconnaissance, or police riot control. The first prototype was completed in March 1963 and production began in 1964. It is an amphibious vehicle with a hull of welded, high hardness ballistic armor plating which protects against small arms fire, grenades, and anti-personnel mines.

The commando was used extensively in Southeast Asia, not only by the U.S. Army [as the XM706E2] and U.S. Air Force, but also by the Army of the Republic of Vietnam and Thai forces. The V-100, designated XM706E2 by the USAF, was employed by Air Force personnel for base perimeter defense during the was in Southeast Asia. They were used mainly by military police units and saw extensive service in Vietnam as road patrol vehicles.

In July 1967, V-100 Commando armored cars became a welcome addition to the 720th and 504th Military Police Battalions. Prior to their arrival, the 18th Military Police Brigade depended on gun-jeeps. The V-100 was tested and evaluated by the military police in Vietnam, resulting in an authorization for the procurement of seventy-two. They provided a big morale boost for the MP and were a great augmentation for the gun-jeeps. Due to added military police commitments and the fact that the battalion's V-100s were positioned in Saigon to assist the 716th MP Battalion, the 720th MP Battalion acquired twelve armored personnel carriers armed with .50-caliber machine guns. The importance of putting the carriers into action as soon as possible did not leave time for the MP to receive formal instruction on the operation of this vehicle. The MP instead took the initiative and learned on their own.

The M706 was used heavily in Vietnam war by United States forces mainly for light security vehicles, it had high rate of rear-axle failure. This system, produced by Textron Marine and Land Systems Division, is not currently used by the US military, although it is available for Foreign Military Sales. LAV-150s are in service in twenty countries.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/v-100.htm

tracrat
07-26-04, 05:26 PM
Unfortunately thecommando variant the SWAT fellas have does not come with any of the above mentiioned weapon systems...it has no turret, only a hatch that an officer can engage targets with his personal weapon....bummer, a MK 19 in Springfield could be fun....