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Pel
07-10-04, 07:47 PM
The media didnt cover President Bush very well when he was contemplating war with Iraqi. Bush Declared War on Terror. DECLARED WAR ON TERROR. The idea that there MIGHT and had been SOME proof of weapons of mass destruction only added to it. The media blew that part up. Put that straight on the spot light. And since than many have taken THAT to be the sole reason why we attacked Iraqi. WAR ON TERROR. Saddam was a terrorist. If you think different than you need your brain checked. When President Bush stood on the carrier with the Banner Mission Accomplished. The mission was accomplished Saddam Hussen was removed from power. Saddam being removed from power was only a battle. One battle won. Although the battle was won the war carried on. When the United States would Police the streets of Iraqi with the Iraqi Police whenever shooting would start the Marines would look around and the Iraqi Police would eather have ran away or would have joined the other side. Now when the shooting starts and the Marines take a look around they have Iraqi Police with them fighting for there freedom. Fighting for there rights. Fighting for there country. Since 9/11. Since the War on Terror. How many terrorists have you seen running down OUR streets? On American soil threating the lives of the citizens of this great country? NONE THIS American sleeps peacefully in his bed at night because the Men and Women of the United States Marine Corps and Other Military branchs fight for my PEACE FREEDOM AND LIBERTY

Thank You President Bush

Thank you MARINES

Thank you other Military Personel

Pel

Amanda
07-10-04, 10:02 PM
Amen i could not have said it better! i agree completely and i am voting for Bush this next election!

ivalis
07-10-04, 11:06 PM
Terror is a tactic, not an enemy.

lurchenstein
07-11-04, 01:38 AM
Our current enemies use terror as a tactic. Declaring war on certain terrorists is more like it.

HardJedi
07-11-04, 03:18 AM
most of you know me, and know that I support Bush,( at least over the alternatives available) ;)

And I thank god every day for my brothers and sisters doing what I can no longer do.

I have deveolped, recently, a certain amount of dislike for the word "terrorist" though. To me, they should just be the enemy. plain and simple. Not rebels, not insurgents, and DEFFINATLEY bot terrorists. The reason I say this is complicated and I probably won't be able to fully explain this the way I want to here, But I shall try.

First , remember this. History is written by the victors of a conflict. At one time, if the word existed at the times, I am sure that the American people of the original 13 colonies were labled as terrorists, or thier equivilant of that day and age, at any rate. Just think about that.

Lables are POWERFULL things, and often can give someone a degree of ligitimacy and power that they otherwise might not have had.

See, I knew I wouldn't be able to fully explain my feelings on this. Oh well, just know, to me, the people we are fighting are the enemy, and that's it.

enviro
07-11-04, 06:11 AM
Terror is a tactic, not an enemy.


Terror is BOTH Ivalis - don't put a liberal spin on this - we all know what "is" is - Clinton is out of office, now -


a person who inspires fear or dread; "he was the terror of the neighborhood"

www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

lurchenstein
07-11-04, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by HardJedi
I have deveolped, recently, a certain amount of dislike for the word "terrorist" though. To me, they should just be the enemy. plain and simple.

Darn straight! Strip away all the labels & BS and that's what's left - THE ENEMY.

trimmerjr
07-11-04, 11:53 PM
I think the word Terrorists should be replace with murders, they do it just for political gain or a ideology . They have proven they have no problem killing innocent people when it can give them the spot light or acheive some political goal. They aren't extremist muslims, they are just plain murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yellowwing
07-12-04, 12:25 AM
"extremist muslims" - yup, that is too soft of a word. I've seen some Chrisitan extremist that burn the occasional Ozzy Osbourne album, but they do not murder people.

Echo_Four_Bravo
07-12-04, 01:14 AM
I love Bush, I am a hard core republican, a true conservative, and a devout Christian. All of that being said, many, many people have been killed in the name of Christianity. The Crusades come to mind right off hand. Being too extreme in anything is dangerous. There just happens to be very few Christians that are that far off center, while it is common in Islam.

enviro
07-12-04, 01:34 AM
I can't think of too many wars that were not started or fought in the name of someone's God.

Pel
07-12-04, 11:18 AM
well enviro how about some of these?

The American Revolution
The War of 1812
Mexican-American War
The Civil War
The Spanish-American War
The Korean War
Vietnam War
Desert Storm
Operation Enduring Freedom

Fought in the name of freedom

enviro
07-12-04, 12:19 PM
Notice a trend there Pel? Those were all wars that Americans fought for freedom in.

A tiny smidge of wars in comparison to all wars in the history of mankind.

HardJedi
07-12-04, 12:51 PM
and ALOT of these wars, while not STARTED about god, had undercurrents of religion in them.

The American Revolution? People wanted the freedom to CHOOSe thier religion, instead of having a monarch tell them who to worship.

Any war against Communism, or the spread of it? WEll, Communists are athiests, are they not? NO god at all. and how many times have we heard " god fearing Americans?"


And the last one is just silly. Might not be about god from OUR point of view, but to them, it is.

Echo_Four_Bravo
07-12-04, 01:43 PM
Do you really think you can claim Operation Enduring Freedom wasn't started by religious zealots? Can you really try to claim that Muslims didn't start the war? Did you forget about what the action that brought us into the war? Have you forgotten about the Islamic Terrorists that crashed airplanes into the Pentagon, the countryside, and BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS?

Try getting a copy of any videotape that was taken on September 11, 2001. I think you need a wake up call.

enviro
07-12-04, 02:18 PM
The American Revolution - Freedom of religion was an underlying cause

The War of 1812 - Contiuation of the American Revolution

Mexican-American War - The Mexican-American War was the first major conflict driven by the idea of "Manifest Destiny"; the belief that America had a God-given right, or destiny, to expand the country's borders from 'sea to shining sea'.

The Civil War - too much detail, but religion was an underlying cause in relation to whether or not owning slaves was christian or not.

The Spanish-American War - I'll give you this one

The Korean War - Communism as it relates to religion is very similar to the crusades. Pushing ones thoughts and beliefs onto another group of people. I catagorize communism as the same because the goal is the same.

Vietnam War - see above

Desert Storm - everything they did was "God willing"

Operation Enduring Freedom - everything they are doing is "God willing" (I really hate that phrase now)

From the Byzantine-Muslim War of 645 to today's conflicts in the Middle East, religion has played a powerful and critical role in most wars throughout history. This cannot be ignored. People get together in organized religion and start condemning other religions and other groups of people. Often times, this leads to violence.

HardJedi
07-12-04, 02:54 PM
HEY! and don't forget Alexander the Great in 336 BC. the spread of Helenism? and western thinking? so the idea of war and god predates most modern concepts of religion by a few centuries, at least. :D

radio relay
07-12-04, 04:21 PM
War and God are pretty much inseperable.

It isn't a "Christian", or American, concept by any stretch. Geesh, there have been umpteen Gods and Godesses of war in umpteen polytheistic religions. All three of the current "great" monotheistic religions have inumerable, references in their religious writings and holy books to war, and "fighting the good fight".

It's moot, bordering on silly, to even get into an argument over whether religion plays a part in human agression. It always has. Always will.

Right now, if the U.S. wants to take the high ground and claim this isn't a religious confrontation, well fine. Whatever floats your boat, or aircraft carrier. Trust me, it IS religious confrontation to the Muslims!

And, no matter what any of you think, God loves my Denver Broncos, much more that He/She loves any other team... :)

HardJedi
07-12-04, 05:03 PM
BRONCOS!! What pure and unadulterated BLASPHEMY! you'll smoke a turd in hell for that one Radio! LOL:banana:

lindazerr
07-12-04, 06:32 PM
I am voting for Bush also. It scares me to think what Kerry would be like.
Sometimes I think he would be like Raegan. What do you gentlemen think
about Kerry? It is so good to hear you gents talk like that. That is exactly the
point everyone is missing-they came and bombed the Towers at the World Trade
Center killing nearly 7,000 innocent people. What do they think we are
supposed to do? They are murderers, fanatics and a threat to world peace and
democracy. I say get them all! God bless our troops and what they are doing
and what they stand for. Like the sign says, If you love your freedom, thank
a vet!! I support our troops always in the past, now and in the future.

PooleeWebber
07-12-04, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by HardJedi
BRONCOS!! What pure and unadulterated BLASPHEMY! you'll smoke a turd in hell for that one Radio! LOL:banana:

He/she sure wasn't looking out for them in this years draft, but he was definately looking out for the Lions. We have a great year ahead of us, unfortunately, I'll miss most of it since I'll be in boot during most of the season.

Anyways, GO LIONS!

ivalis
07-12-04, 07:05 PM
Diem, Ky, Thieu, catholics from the north installed as leaders of a buddist south by the USA in RVN. Got to be some religious issues there.