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thedrifter
07-10-04, 12:10 PM
Friday, July 9, 2004

Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge

By ROBERT L. JAMIESON Jr.
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST

Think about the Seattle area -- Bainbridge Island to be exact -- and you think scenic views and liberal-minded tolerance.

At least the killer views are still there.

The bucolic island's deep reputation for civility got a gut check this week during the annual Grand Old Fourth of July celebration.

That's when Jason Gilson, a 23-year-old military veteran who served in Iraq, marched in the local event. He wore his medals with pride and carried a sign that said "Veterans for Bush."

Walking the parade route with his mom, younger siblings and politically conservative friends, Jason heard words from the crowd that felt like a thousand daggers to the heart.

"Baby killer!"

"Murderer!"

"Boooo!"

To understand why the reaction of strangers hurt so much, you must read what the young man had written in a letter from Iraq before he was disabled in an ambush:



"I really miss being in the states. Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans. ... A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary."

On the Fourth, Jason faced his worst fear.

It was such a public humiliation -- home front insult after battlefield injury.

It really shouldn't have happened for two principal reasons.

Reason No. 1? History.

The past informs us that the men and women who fight our wars are not just following orders.

They are risking life and limb.

When they return from the battlefield they should be embraced regardless of the public popularity about the conflict, regardless of the politics.

Have we so quickly forgotten the painful lessons of Vietnam?

Frederick Scheffler, whose daughter and son-in-law marched with Jason on Sunday, hasn't.

Scheffler -- an Army veteran of two tours in Southeast Asia -- was shot in the leg during that long-ago conflict.

He came home with a cane, only to discover the American public was either indifferent to his sacrifice or downright hostile.

"I didn't think in this day and age combat veterans would be treated in this manner," Scheffler, 60, tells me, reflecting on Jason. "I saw it happen to veterans in Vietnam. I'm not going to let it happen today, not to these kids."

Reason No. 2? The rules.

The Bainbridge Island Chamber of Commerce, which put on the community celebration, permits freedom of expression at the event but asks that parade announcers not act in a manner that is partisan or prejudicial.

Jason's mother, Tamar, says a female parade announcer locked eyes on her son who was walking behind a pro-Republican group called Women in Red, White and Blue. The group supports President Bush and the troops in the fight against terrorism.

According to Tamar, the female announcer sarcastically asked Jason: "And what exactly are you a veteran of?"

The perceived mocking, the mother adds, set off some people in the crowd, loosing a flood of negative comments, "like a wave... a mob-style degrading."

Kevin Dwyer, executive director of the Chamber of Commerce, spoke with the announcer after the allegations reached him this week.

He says the woman denies using sarcasm; she just wanted to know which war Jason was a veteran of so that she could "honor him" in public.

"It wasn't her intention to incite anything -- that's what she told me," Dwyer said. "But if she acted out of school, that's not what we're about."

Dwyer added: "I believe (Jason's) mom when she said her son was called 'a murderer.' But I'm sure it wasn't so much directed at the kid as it was the president. A soldier with a sign represents that."

The female announcer told Dwyer that some in the Bush-Cheney contingent in the parade seemed "militant."

And so, battle lines are drawn.

From the outside looking in, the fuel for this conflict seems obvious.

The left-leaning island hosted a group of people who support Bush's controversial war. (On the same parade route, people bearing pro-Kerry signs were cheered and applauded for, among other things, tooling around in an environmentally responsible car.)

Against such a roiling backdrop, an unfortunate tone of voice or the wording on a sign can spark, well, something -- something unconscionable it appears.

But less obvious factors are undoubtedly at work here, too.

The female announcer at the parade had a father who fought for America in a previous U.S. conflict. He never made it back home.

Jason's mother -- unbeknownst to many observers along the parade route -- is a tireless activist behind the pro-troops movement in the Puget Sound region.

Such a combo on a day of red, white and blue can only lead to fireworks -- snap, crackle and popping off during what locals call the "best small-town parade in America."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/181422_robert09.html


Ellie


THIS IS A CALLOUS, DISRESPECTFUL, AND COMPLETELY IGNORANT COMMENT MADE BY A NUMBER OF IDIOTS!!

LIVED THROUGH THIS ONCE....DON'T NEED TO SEE THIS AGAIN......:mad:


Sorry Marines....I had to get that off my chest......

thedrifter
07-15-04, 12:39 PM
July 15, 2004

Washington mayor apologizes to veteran for parade insult

Associated Press


BAINBRIDGE ISLAND, Wash. — Mayor Darlene Kordonowy has apologized to an Iraq war veteran who says he was called a murderer when he marched in a July 4 parade here.
“Even if politically we are perceived as left-leaning, it does not mean that is how we treat people,” Kordonowy told The Sun newspaper of Bremerton. “We are also very tolerant and respectful of different points of view.”

Bainbridge Island is located six miles west of Seattle.

Jason Gilson, 23, of East Bremerton, said he was carrying a sign reading “Veterans for Bush,” when a man and a woman approached him and called him a murderer.

“You don’t need to be attacking individuals for their partisanship,” said Gilson, who as a Marine corporal was wounded in Nasiriyah early in the Iraq conflict. He is now in the Individual Ready Reserve. “I was very unimpressed with the way the people of Bainbridge Island were.”

According to one account, the incident started when a parade announcer asked Gilson what he was a veteran of. Gilson said it was asked in a derisive manner.

Deborah Cheadle, one of the announcers, has sent him a letter saying her question was not intended to offend him.

The incident drew national attention after the Seattle Post-Intelligencer printed a July 9 column about it.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=1-292258-3089849.php


Ellie

Sgt. Smitty
07-20-04, 12:01 PM
Ellie, the ones that said that they've been there done that are simply stating a fact..........Vietnam vets not only came home to name calling but we also had garbage thrown on us, got spit on, had rocks and anything else handy thrown at us and some, like myself, had to literally fight to get on a plane out of L.A. International Airport to get on a plane to go home. We know what he went through and can sympathize with him. Why do you think so many Vietnam vets harbor so many ill-feelings towards this country? I was, and still am, proud to me a Marine. That's one thing this country could not take away from me is my Pride. People think i harbor bad feelings towards the wrong people of this country, but i don't think so. My hatred for the people of this country goes from the President all the way down to the poorest person in the country that called us names, sent us to war for no good reason, and all the others that look down their noses at us because we did what the govt. ordered us to do in their name. Our welcome home that we got will never be forgotten or forgiven by the ones that lived through it. Ya, some of us are real bitter towards this country and hate to see anyone else get the same welcome home that we got.

Namvet67
07-20-04, 12:22 PM
Sgt. Smitty...You are right about LAX...You could get out of the uniform and into your civies but you could not hide the high and tight haircut. I personally don't have any ill feelings towards this country but I do remember the "welcome" we got. I was one of those guys who wanted to go and really didn't care what others thought. The stateside duty is what I could not handle and one of the reasons I never took a stateside assignment. I had only 6 months remaining in the Corps and I sure did not want to spend it in the states so I requested another extension in Nam and didn't get it so since I had already spent 36 months in country the Corps let out early. Semper Fi

Sgt. Smitty
08-11-04, 12:33 PM
I don't have any ill-feelings towards the newer generations of this country, but i do towards the education system. I had to correct the history books of my sons school on quite a few points when it came to Nam. Even the History Channel has so many errors in it's reporting, that my sons and i get a big kick out of watching it and counting all the false facts that they have about Nam.......It's really hard to be So Proud and So Ashamed at the same time that i just had to air it out and get it off my chest. I guess i just got to the point that i don't care anymore if people like the fact that we were in the Nam or not. We had to deal with it....now it's their turn!!

Namvet67
08-11-04, 01:10 PM
Sgt. Smitty...I never did care what they thought either. Your experiences in Nam taught you not to care...out of pure self preservation I think. You and I both know about the errors in reporting. There are still many things that were not reported either. Welcome home....Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down!

Sgt. Smitty
09-07-04, 11:45 AM
gbudd....I'm slowly learning to live life all over again since i became disabled, but it's hard for me to relax and enjoy things with all these crazy feelings bouncin around in me, and this Bainbridge incident did nothing but strengthen the feelings that there are still people out there that have the same ill-feelings towards vets as they did 30+ years ago. I used to have ill feelings towards vets that came after us and got the welcome home that we should have received, but now i am glad they got the welcome that they did. I really don't think i can ever bring myself to forgive the ones that called US names and did all the rest of the BS to us......that day will never come for me. But i will keep the shiny side up and try to live the rest of my life the way it should have been for the last 30 years.

hrscowboy
09-07-04, 05:14 PM
buttom line is gentlemen if you see or hear someone raggin on a vet get in there face and pronto i do it all the time and when i am done the dont want anymore....

ridingcrops
09-10-04, 02:29 PM
I agree with hrscowboy.
These fine young people didn't ask for this war but they are ready to put themselves on the line just like you and I did in country.
But I have to ask myself for what.
Now they are ragging on John Kerry. Not one herre can say it did not take guts for him to take a stand against the war when he did.
If all the vets read the transcripts of his testimony they would see exactly what he said and not what Dubya wants you to believe.
When you came back where you for the war? Did you think they were really going to let us fight it and win?
When Kerry testified if they had stopped it we would not have lost 10K morre brothers there.
We are a strong bunch because we had to be. We helped each other with counseling and what we could only to have our benefits stolen by Reagan and this war started for low poll numbers.
Kerry never said anything like he would wait for what the U.N. said to protect this country. He said in a 35 year old college newspaper interview he would like to work closer with the U.N.
And fellow Marines let us not forget. He served!
He did not use daddys connections to hide in the Air Guard.
His vice-president was not the CEO of a company doing business with a rogue nation who uses it's profits to hire Muslim mercenaries to shoot at our troops in Iraq. Find the facts brothers. I did.