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thedrifter
06-02-04, 05:54 AM
Inside Politics


By Greg Pierce


Kerry's finger
"Democratic senator — and certain presidential nominee — John F. Kerry, gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning," NewsMax.com reported yesterday.


"Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, 'Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.'
"At that point, a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt," NewsMax reported.
"Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, 'Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam.'
"Just then, Kerry — in front of the schoolchildren, other visitors and Secret Service agents — brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, 'Sampley is a felon!'
"Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose."

Black and white
Black preachers and white conservative activists came together yesterday in support of a constitutional amendment to ban homosexual "marriage," Cox News Service reports.
"Same-sex marriage is not a civil rights issue," declared the Rev. William Owens, president of the Coalition of African American Pastors, based in Memphis, Tenn. "You cannot have a civil rights issue for something that is wrong."
"Marriage is a black-and-white issue. It is between one man and one woman," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
In announcing their alliance, the participants vowed to campaign within their different constituencies for a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman. They also back similar provisions that will be on the November ballot in several states.
At a press conference in the Capitol, the ministers and political activists warned that candidates, members of Congress and the president would be held accountable for their stances.

Wisconsin surprise
"It was amazing. Had I not been there to see it and hear it, I never would have believed it. But I, and thousands of others, witnessed it in Madison, Wis.," Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mary Laney writes, referring to the reaction to the commencement address at the University of Wisconsin.
"The school had chosen an actor for the honor because he had grown up in Madison. He began his speech with this: 'I bring you greetings from the acting president of the United States!'
"The throng of graduates erupted in cheers," the columnist said.
"The actor-speaker, you see, was none other than Bradley Whitford, who is seen weekly on the television series 'The West Wing.' And he was on a roll ... or so he thought.
"He followed his message with a question: How was he asked to speak at the University of Wisconsin in Madison when the real president of the United States spoke the day before at a small college of 5,000 students in Mequon near Milwaukee?
"This is where the amazing thing happened. When Whitford said, 'President George Bush was at Concordia [University] yesterday,' the students erupted with applause and cheers. They were cheering for George W. Bush! The University of Wisconsin — where Students for a Democratic Society, SDS, was born; the place known to be so far left it's off the charts — had students cheering for a Republican president!
"It appeared to surprise the speaker as his speech abruptly turned to a list of suggestions — a formula, so to speak — on how to achieve their goals in life."
The columnist added: "Later, I asked some of the graduates what they thought of the commencement address and why they had cheered the president. Their answers came quickly. They didn't like Whitford's remarks about the president. They didn't think the time was right to attack a president who was leading the country in a war against terrorism."

Knowles and Kerry
The campaign wing of Senate Republicans apparently thinks that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry could drag down Tony Knowles, the Democratic candidate for a U.S. Senate seat from Alaska, on the issue of allowing limited oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).
The National Republican Senatorial Committee campaign has purchased television time for ads that will begin airing in Alaska on Tuesday, the day of the filing deadline for the U.S. Senate race, according to a press release by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
The ads attempt to link Mr. Knowles to Mr. Kerry's fervent opposition to oil drilling in ANWR, echoing a theme of Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, the Democrats said. Mr. Knowles says he supports oil drilling, a popular position in Alaska.
"Alaskans don't need anyone from Washington, D.C., telling them how to think or vote," Mr. Knowles said in a statement included in the Democratic press release. "If these people lived in Alaska, they would know that I have always fought to open ANWR and am independent enough to have publicly taken on my own party over this issue."

Columnist Dean
Howard Dean is writing a syndicated weekly column, Editor & Publisher reports.
"The first piece by the former Democratic presidential candidate and Vermont governor appeared [Monday]. In it, Dean called for electronic voting to be shelved until 2006 or until it's 'reliable and will allow recounts,' " the newspaper trade magazine said at its Web site (www.editorandpublisher.com)
Mr. Dean's column is being distributed by Cagle Cartoons, which also carries columns by Michael Reagan, son of the former president, and Dick Morris, the former political adviser to President Clinton.

Applause-o-meter
The New York Times, in an article by Marc Santora, said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's graduation address Saturday at West Point "drew polite applause," seeming to suggest that the graduates and guests were unenthusiastic but mannerly.
A Pentagon aide tells us that the Associated Press came closer to the truth when it said that Mr. Rumsfeld spoke to "a cheering crowd" and that he received "sustained applause."
• Greg Pierce can be reached at 202/636-3285 or gpierce@washingtontimes.com.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm


Ellie

Sparrowhawk
06-02-04, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by thedrifter
Inside Politics


By Greg Pierce


Kerry's finger
"Democratic senator — and certain presidential nominee — John F. Kerry, gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning," NewsMax.com reported yesterday.


"Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, 'Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.'
"At that point, a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt," NewsMax reported.
"Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, 'Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam.'
"Just then, Kerry — in front of the schoolchildren, other visitors and Secret Service agents — brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, 'Sampley is a felon!'
"Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose."

• Greg Pierce can be reached at 202/636-3285 or gpierce@washingtontimes.com.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm


Ellie


Sampley is a felon, Kerry said. LOL

Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose."


Hey, I'm really beginning to like this Sampley fellow.

SF
Cook

Super Dave
06-02-04, 09:50 AM
How I do want to see a photo of that..now that should be on the front page of every paper and in EVERY Bush ad.

yellowwing
06-02-04, 10:05 AM
I'd do some more research on Ted, before you endorse him. It seems like he has accused John McCain of collaboration while he was a POW, and led a protest on George Bush Sr. on the POW issue. Newsmax is the only source running this story. Think about it.

snipowsky
06-02-04, 10:10 AM
John Kerry has no class! If he wanted votes from veterans he just lost every single one of them with his "bird". Ted Sampley had every right to tell him to leave! John Kerry has done nothing for Vietnam Veterans except bad mouth them and tell lies. He even tried to cover up POW/MIA recovery efforts! This man is a traitor and has no business being our next President.

Complain about Bush all you want, but I'll sleep better at night knowing "W" is hard at work. I guess If John Kerry is our next President I'll be considering moving to Canada and becoming a "Canuck". Ugh what a dirty disgusting thought John Fonda Kerry as President. Oh and I hate Canada too! A country full of Frenchmen, but too cowardly to admit it.

airframesguru
06-02-04, 10:10 AM
Communist Vietnamese Honor John Kerry, the War Protestor, as a Hero in the Communist Victory over the United States in the Vietnam War. <br />
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In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly...

yellowwing
06-02-04, 10:36 AM
If its anti-Kerry people will buy anything. Did you know Kerry has a bust of Ho Chi Minh on his desk?

There is a huge market for political smearing. These people are exploiting it with out researching what is the truth. Anyone with desire to seek the truth can take 3 minutes and see what is really the story. Don't swallow the shinola anyone on either political side sells.

The more ridiculous the better. PT Barnum would be proud.

Sparrowhawk
06-02-04, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by yellowwing
Did you know Kerry has a bust of Ho Chi Minh on his desk?





I didn't know Kerry had a bust of Ho Chi Minh on his desk?

Can I quote you on that?

"Native Canadian veteran and long time John Kerry supporter, stated today that Senator John kerry has bust of Ho Chi Minh on his desk."

This reporter was unable to verify before this publication if the veteran was speaking of the Senator's Washington D.C. office desk or the office desk that senator Kerry maintains in Hanoi.

A search of the Associate Press files did not support this claim, however, a picture was provided of the bust but it remains unknown where , when or in what office the bust of Ho Chi Minh is today.

yellowwing
06-02-04, 11:56 AM
Oh crud! This will be passed onto Matt Drudge, Ann Coulter, then Wolf Blitzer. The next thing you know Michael Moore will make a movie out of it, and I won't see a dime!

Chrisusmcbrat
06-02-04, 12:06 PM
Kerry has no right to be President, sure Bush has made his mistakes but so has every other President before him. Kerry has a negative attitude towards the safety and protection of all of our U.S. troops, I'm not ok with that and never will be. Especially when my fiancee and both of our friends in the Marine Corps are over there in Iraq right now fighting for our country which Kerry also lives in. He needs to learn to respect those who have fought and are still fighting for our country. I cringe at the very thought of Kerry becoming President.

dnelson
06-02-04, 10:09 PM
Well 1st I will not be voting for Kerry, but This Mr Sampley I do not trust either. Would somebody tell me what school children were doing in DC on the busyest day of the year. With all those Bikers in the area Not one photo of this.
Something is just not right.

snipowsky
06-03-04, 12:26 AM
If it really happened a picture of this will surface, if not I don't believe it. BUT...I'm still voting for Bush in 2004!

HardJedi
06-03-04, 01:12 AM
that report was TOO funny Sparrowhawk! LOL

greybeard
06-03-04, 06:30 AM
Hell, the enquirer isn't even collaborating that finger story. A call bs on that one, & I'm a Bush supporter.

TracGunny
06-03-04, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by greybeard
Hell, the enquirer isn't even collaborating that finger story. A call bs on that one, & I'm a Bush supporter. …the Enquirer? LOL... even so I agree, I will keep the BS flag flying until this story gets a little more creditable collaboration...

enviro
06-03-04, 08:19 AM
I called Mr. Sampley just two minutes ago. He verified that the story is true with the exception of how close they were to the Memorial Wall. Many vets were out there giving him some cat-calls and Kerry was trying to avoid them by heading towards the school children.

Long story short, when Sampley personally confronted Kerry, he said "Hello, John" and Kerry replied "Hello, Ted" and flipped him the bird.

Ted says that there were cameras (video and still) and hopefully someone caught it. It did happen pretty quick.

I congratulated Ted and told him that he had many Marines behind him. He appreciated that.

He's hoping the national media will pick up on this. Anyone know a good reporter?

Sparrowhawk
06-03-04, 10:00 AM
Gosh darn, it has not even been spoken about on FOX News.

Now, what I would really like to see is for BUSH, to flip off liberal news reporters when they ask questions that insinuate something that isn't there.

cjwright90
06-04-04, 11:19 AM
Now, I asked my wife if she had heard it, and she had. Not sure where, though.

Wrong finger?
C:\Documents and Settings\cwright\My Documents\My Pictures\kerrythumb.jpg

snipowsky
06-04-04, 06:09 PM
Sgt. enviro good luck with this liberal media. VOTE BUSH 2004!

Semper Fi

dnelson
06-06-04, 12:42 PM
The Truth About Ted Sampley, Creator of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
Subject: Ted Sampley & www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com
The right wing is using Ted Sampley as a surrogate to attack John Kerry on Vietnam. Below is background information on Sampley that the right doesn't want you to know about.

The Sordid Life & Trials of Ted Sampley - Outrageous Claims, Money Making Schemes & Breaking the Law

Ted Sampley is head of the Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry and is responsible for the 1992 fake photo of John Kerry shooting an American MIA in Vietnam with the caption: Kerry eliminates another MIA from his discrepancy list. Sampley has a long history of working against both John Kerry & John McCain dating to the POW/MIA hearings. He even served jail time for starting a fight with John McCain's staff. Sampley was also given a restraining order.

Sampley has called John McCain the Manchurian Candidate and accused him of being brainwashed by the Vietnamese and being a KGB Spy. Additionally, McCain has pointed out that Sampley seems to exploit sensitive issues such as the POW/MIA hearings as a means of making money. McCains words were, "Sampley has a nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies." On his current website, Sampley has another money making scheme selling bumper stickers and lapel pins that read Stop Hanoi John Kerry.

Sampley Under the Microscope

Sampley Said McCain Was Brainwashed by the Vietnamese & a KGB Spy
Sampley calls McCain the Manchurian Candidate, maintaining that the Vietnamese brainwashed McCain, then sent him home to do their bidding--which, to Sampley's way of thinking, explains why McCain was instrumental in the nation's normalization of relations with Vietnam. [Phoenix New Times (Arizona); 3/25/99]

Sampley Says McCain is Actually a KGB Spy
Ted Sampley, a veteran from North Carolina who runs a newsletter, accuses Mr McCain of betraying his country while a prisoner and being a KGB spy. He also made a more bizarre accusation: In the movie The Manchurian Candidate Laurence Harvey portrayed a former PoW from the Korean War whose brainwashing enabled his enemies to be able to manipulate his actions. To trigger him all they had to do was have him play solitaire, with the queen of diamonds being the trigger that made him theirs, body and soul. Mr Sampley went on to ask the senator: "Have the Vietnamese flipped you a queen of diamonds?" [The Independent, 2/17/00]

Sampley Started a Fight With McCain Staffer
In December came an ugly exchange between activist Ted Sampley and an aide to Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican. Mr. Sampley says he went to the senator's Capitol Hill office Dec. 18 to drop off copies of an article he had written. It described Mr. McCain as a brainwashed agent of the Soviet KGB spy agency. McCain staff members already had seen the article. Mark Salter, the senator's legislative assistant for foreign affairs, ordered Mr. Sampley out of the office. Although versions of the story vary somewhat, both Mr. Salter and Mr. Sampley agree that they went out in the hall together. Each says the other threw the first sucker punch, but both say there was a scuffle, and Mr. Salter got the worst of it. [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

Sampley Ordered to Serve Jail Time for McCain Altercation
[Sampley] spent two days in jail and was placed on probation for 180 days. He also was slapped with a restraining order requiring that he stay away from Mr. McCain and his staff. [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

McCain Says Sampley Has a Nose for Publicity and Knack for Making Money From Invented Controversies
"Ted Sampley, whose nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies is colorfully detailed by Mrs. Keating, is the author of my own chapter in the POW conspiracy, in which I am exposed as a KGB-trained Manchurian Candidate. Mrs. Keating puzzles over the perverse pride Mr. Sampley takes in his work, which included torturing the family of an American POW in Iraq with fabricated details of his cruel death at the hands of an Iraqi mob. When the pilot was subsequently freed alive, Mr. Sampley dismissed his fraud as necessary to publicize the plight of POWs. Mr. Sampley excuses all his scams as necessary to advance a noble cause. Mrs. Keating reveals that his likely real motive is more mundane: money. She notes his earnings from his T-shirt concession located near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial were nearly $2 million over three years. He keeps his overhead costs down by not paying a dime to his employees." -John McCain [Washington Times, 12/10/94]

Republican Senator Called Sampley's Slur of McCain Disgusting
Sampley attacked McCain demanding, "Who do you really work for: Moscow or Hanoi?"

Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and Bob Smith of New Hampshire, the committee chairman and vice chairman, came to McCain's defense on the Senate floor. "The smear was uncalled for; it is disgusting," said Smith. The senators said the episode may help convince the panel that some of the POW-MIA groups themselves need investigating and exposure as frauds. [Boston Globe, 2/29/92]

Sampley Has Longtime Hatred for Kerry & Vowed to Come After Him
Sampley Created Fake Photo of Kerry Shooting an American MIA. [Sampley's] publication ranges from hyperbolic to outrageous. The October/November edition from last year, for example, contains a composite picture purporting to show the Senate committee chairman, Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts, shooting a man in the head. The caption reads: Kerry eliminates another MIA from his discrepancy list. [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

Sampley Vows to Come After Kerry "If Kerry wins the South Carolina primary on Tuesday, we'll be coming after him," said Sampley, a POW advocate who is organizing opponents to Kerry through a new website, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and who was rebuked by Kerry a decade ago for alleging that Senator John McCain was brainwashed by Communists while a prisoner in Hanoi. "We will do what is politically necessary to stop John Kerry and draw attention to the hypocrisy of his campaign." [Boston Globe, 2/1/04]

Sampley is a Longtime Critic of Kerrys POW/MIA Committee
Sampley, who did two combat tours in Vietnam, has been a longtime critic of Kerry's protests and his work as co-chairman of the Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. [Lowell Sun, 12/15/02]

Sampley Confronted Kerry With Wild Accusations During Lunch Break
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam veteran, confronted committee chairman Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., during the lunch break. Sampley took Kerry to task for saying there is no evidence any prisoners remain alive. "We're pretty much concerned that Senator Kerry doesn't want to believe Vietnam would act like this and continue to hold prisoners," he said. [AP, 9/23/92]

Kerry Had Capitol Police Remove Sampley From 1992 POW/MIA Hearings
Mrs. Stockdale also criticized opportunists outside the government who have played on the emotions of POW families for profit. The remarks brought Ted Sampley to his feet. Sampley, editor of U.S. Veteran, a paper devoted to Vietnam veteran and POW-MIA issues, shouted to Mrs. Stockdale, "Have you sat through these hearings? No. ...I'm not going to sit through this farce."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., chairman of the committee ordered a Capitol Police officer to escort Sampley from the room. [AP, 12/3/92]

Sampley's Questionable Claims & Business Practices

Sampley Paid By Secret Reagan Group to Infiltrate Vet Organization?
Mr. Sampley said an organization with close ties to the White House paid him $500 to infiltrate a group of veterans who ran a vigil site near the Vietnam memorial, and that the individual who paid him was reporting back to a staff member of the Reagan National Security Council. [Washington Times, 11/11/91]

Sampley Offered Anti-Communist Insurgents $5,000 to Destroy Government Building in Laos
Ted Sampley, head of Homecoming II, is a Vietnam Special Forces veteran from Fayetteville, N.C. Among other things, Sampley three years ago offered anticommunist insurgents $5,000 to destroy a government building in Laos, arguing that the only way to liberate American POW's from that country was to topple the communist regime. [Time Magazine, 1/13/92]

Statement of Senator John McCain
"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility."

"I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."

yellowwing
06-06-04, 03:30 PM
I knew there was something odd about McCain!

TracGunny
06-06-04, 07:17 PM
Interesting... got a source for this article?

Other than matching Sampley's mud-slinging with more mud, this does nothing to refute Sampley's claims, just draws attention to his tactics.


another money making scheme selling bumper stickers and lapel pins ...good example of mud... don't ALL candidates and groups with an agenda sell crap to raise money - which can be read, "make a buck"?

I noticed that the articles quoted in the text of the post are from the banner-bearing Left Media; Washington Post, Boston Globe, etc.

Kind of reminds me of two kids on the playground-- "Oh yeah? I know you are, what am I"...

dnelson
06-06-04, 09:21 PM
You are right, the list on Mr Sampley came from a WEB site for Kerry(note not his official site). But there are several others out there, just not all of the info in the same place.
About Mr Sampley, he has a booth set up in DC thru the summer, thats were the money making scheme comes from. He is one of several from what I understand. Never seen them myself.
As far as refuting his claims. With almost a week gone by we have not one photo. We have not one person claiming to have see what went on. I'm sure if somebody had seen it, they would want their 15 minurtes of fame. All articles about this all come from the same source Mr Sampley.

TracGunny
06-07-04, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by TracGunny
…the Enquirer? LOL... even so I agree, I will keep the BS flag flying until this story gets a little more creditable collaboration...

dnelson: agreed, a little collaboration is needed to get the b.s. flags withdrawn...

only point attempted is "The Truth..." article doesn't establish that the b.s. flag should be planted in cement on the finger claims... only that there are those who think Sampley should be out-n-out dismissed because of who he is...