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Shaffer
05-11-04, 08:46 AM
The author of a 53-page Army report critical of the "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuse" of some Iraqi prisoners is testifying before a Senate committee Tuesday.

The session takes place as Democrats and Republicans are trying to establish whether and how to release to members of Congress digital video clips and about 100 additional pictures of the abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad.

Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba and other military officers are appearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Watch CNN for live coverage of the hearing. For a live video stream, look for the link on our CNN.com home page.

Taguba is accompanied by Stephen A. Cambone, undersecretary of defense for intelligence, and U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Lance L. Smith, deputy commander with U.S. Central Command.

In his report, Taguba concluded that U.S. military police in Iraq inflicted "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuse" on prisoners in their custody numerous times. Seven soldiers face criminal charges in the case and six others, all officers or noncommissioned officers, have been reprimanded. (Gallery: Abuse at Abu Ghraib -- contains graphic images, viewer discretion advised)

Some of those implicated in the case have said they were told to prepare the prisoners for questioning by military intelligence officers at Abu Ghraib. (Gallery: The military's report on abuse allegations in Iraq)

A Red Cross report delivered to U.S. and British officials in February warned that prisoners considered likely sources of intelligence faced coercion that in some cases was "tantamount to torture." (Red Cross: Treatment of Iraqis 'tantamount to torture')

Photographs of naked, hooded Iraqi prisoners being sexually humiliated stirred anger at home and abroad, prompting President Bush to publicly apologize for their treatment. (Poll: Bush approval hits new lows; chart of poll results)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld revealed during testimony last week that hundreds of other photographs existed, as well as digital video. (Rumsfeld tells Congress of his 'failure')

Senate leaders said that there is broad bipartisan agreement that the images should be made available to members of the Senate, but said that they do not want to take possession of that material until the rules under which senators will view them are properly established.

"Once the question of these pictures coming up here was raised, I decided this is an institutional problem," said Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, who said he has asked the Pentagon not to send the pictures up until the Senate is ready.

Lawyers for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Minority Leader Tom Daschle, Warner and ranking committee Democrat Carl Levin are now examining the legal issues around the release of the pictures and videos, a process that could take all of Tuesday at least.

"We're not starting this game until we know how it ends," said a senior Frist aide.

TracGunny
05-11-04, 06:25 PM
No evidence should be released until AFTER any and all Courts-Marshall proceedings, including any appeals, have been concluded and become a matter or record.

Quit letting the Media try the cases - ANY cases - and I do not need to list all the trial-by-media that is taking place today for anyone to understand what I am referring to...

When all is said and done, the dignity of the innocent, U.S. or Iraqi, should be considered and the photos NOT EVER released for public display… it serves no purpose other to incite emotions – from ALL sides of the discussion…

mrbsox
05-11-04, 10:40 PM
NO !!

Gunny's dead on.

The world is already thinking the worst. Let 'em.

Don't jeopardize a 'fair and speedy trial by your peers' by letting pictures out, that are just going to influence everyones opinion. lawyers will have a field day trying to get change of venue, or set a jury that has NOT been 'biased' by the pictures.

And while they're at it, NO SPECIAL Court Martials. General everyone.

Enlisted Personnel:
If you knew someone did something and didn't report it;
forfiture of all rank and pay and BCD.

If you took part, and KNEW it was wrong;
forfiture of all rank and pay and DisHonorable.. no questions asked. You dishonored the country.

If you were in an authority position, knew, and did nothing;
forfiture of all rank and pay and DisHonorable.. no questions asked. You dishonored the country.

Officers:
If you knew, and did nothing to stop it;
forfiture of all rank and pay, hard labor, and DisHonorable.. no questions asked. You dishonored the country AND are held to a higher standard.


How high up the chain of command ? Till you reach a point that SOMEONE took the correct actions.

But that MY OPINION.

Saurian'sEdge
05-12-04, 12:43 AM
Head are going to roll no matter what happens. Long live politics=o(

TracGunny
05-12-04, 10:14 AM
Last modified Wed., May 12, 2004 - 02:19 AM
Originally created Wednesday, May 12, 2004

Editors face tough questions on Iraq photos
Use of pictures of abuse, death raise issues of news value, exposure to children and offending readers.

By MIKE CLARK
Times-Union reader advocate

Let's be frank. The cycle of violence in Iraq includes the news media.

In a worldwide competition for support, the news media become a weapon of war.

As allegations of American abuse in Iraq are released, each photo is more shocking than the last. Thirty readers objected to Tuesday's front-page photo of a near-naked Iraqi detainee.

Editors had barely digested those complaints when they learned an American had been slain on videotape in a brutal manner designed for its shock value.

Times-Union editors are used to making tough decisions. If not hardened, let's say they are experienced. But they had to weigh many factors.

Editor Patrick Yack led several meetings as editors discussed the options.

What about children viewing the paper? Should they be subjected to this?

What about the family of the victim? Readers are sure to identify with them.

What about politics? Any decision is certain to be second-guessed for political reasons.

Do you use any of the photos of the slain American? Do you use all of them? Is there more sensitivity to American victims than Iraqi victims?

Editors decided a photo was newsworthy. Which one? There were photos that were too graphic. A middle ground was sought with a photo that did not show any violence.

Where do you run the photo? On which page? If a photo were not used on the front page, some readers would see bias: Photos of Americans abusing detainees were on the front page, but photos of American victims were not.

What should the headline say? Should it include the word "beheaded," or would that word, combined with the photo, convey a tabloid tone to the page? Is the word "kill" in the headline too understated for the brutal death? Does "execute" convey a legitimacy to the killing?

Any decision was sure to be criticized. Readers should know that the decisions aren't taken lightly. In my column on Sunday, I'll address this issue again with the luxury of a few days of deliberation.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/051204/met_15583229.shtml

DSchmitke
05-13-04, 01:46 PM
No the media is already biased.to the photos.

Sparrowhawk
05-13-04, 04:21 PM
Sould this second set of prints be released now?

I understand Senator Clinton, wanted large glossy prints made of the sex pics... LOl

Sorry couldn't help myself...

thedrifter
05-13-04, 04:44 PM
Cook :eek:

TracGunny
05-13-04, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
Sould this second set of prints be released now?No.

Toby M
05-13-04, 06:01 PM
I would have to ask just one question; why? What is to be gained by releasing them? (okay, two questions)

arzach
05-23-04, 08:18 AM
Keep the media out...no, do not release ANY more photos! How many times do you need to look at a dead man? ONE look and you know it, same as the photos...we already know it happened. Let the Military do their job with NO 'media trial'.

S/F
Rick

vfm
05-25-04, 07:02 PM
No Do not release anymore photos.
Remember all the stink when Saddam was captured and the media went nuts saying that having his photos on tv was against Geneva Convention rules.
Semper Fi!!!
vfm

cjwright90
05-26-04, 06:22 AM
So the problem is the media is not bound by the Geneva Conventions, based on the 1st Amendment. That is just our country's rules, the 1st Amendment. It seems to me that they should also be bound by the Gone-ventions. (They are used when convenient against someone, it seems.)

marineontop
05-28-04, 11:08 AM
the media sensationalized the whole affair in my opinion.In one way or another these prisoners were responsible for the deaths of americans,if these prisoners were killed during there apprehension they all would of been just a statistic to the press.I think it was humane to allow them into the prison at all! How humiliated do you think Nick Berg is right now?This humiliation thing is getting tired,these prisoners will probably be released as heroes,the they will rearm to kill again.I hope they realize that they were lucky to be taken prisoner at all.

DebSantos
06-10-04, 10:23 PM
AMEN!