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SheWolf
04-12-04, 07:19 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4711882/?GT1=3256

interesting ( to me anyway)

SheWolf
04-12-04, 07:21 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4711903/

SheWolf
04-12-04, 07:22 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4711906/

namgrunt
04-12-04, 11:07 PM
SheWolf:
No, it isn't. Too many people need for us to fail in order to advance their own goals and plans. Painting Iraq to resemble Vietnam brings all the old stigmas to the surface. What divided the country 35 years ago is being tried again with hopes of achieving the same result. It must not end the same way. It doesn't help that both candidates were in service during that era.

For one thing, the VC, and NVA never landed armed forces in America, while the radical Islamic terrorists already existed in cells here before 9/11, carrying out nefarious attacks over the years. Their supporters and suppliers have a worldwide network of potential recruits wherever there is a mosque with a radical cleric. Someone recruited the American Taliban, John Walker Lindhe. He didn't go to the Middle East to be converted, it happened in California.

I won't recount the democracy theme, since it is played up in all the White House news breifings. You have already heard all the theories. Don't let the past be regurgetated as new thinking. Don't let old ghosts create fear in your heart.

My prayers are with your son and all our folks over there, military and civilian. Hang tough Sarge.

Semper Fi!

d c taveapont
04-13-04, 01:29 PM
namgrunt. its hard not to say that iraq and viet-nam are alike. when i read that the old "win your hearts and minds." i said here we go again. the old "cap units". in time of war. all citizens will always be at odds with each other...the mouse

usmc4669
04-13-04, 02:59 PM
namgrunt. its hard not to say that iraq and viet-nam are alike. when i read that the old "win your hearts and minds." i said here we go again. the old "cap units". in time of war. all citizens will always be at odds with each other...the mouse

mouse, I disagree with you that Iraq and Vietnam are alike. We were fighting North Vietnam regulars as well as the VC. The VC may not of had military uniforms we still knew more as to were they were than the terrorist in Iraq.

Right or wrong, we are there and would lose face if we came crawling home with our tails between our legs. The troops has their hands tied, they cannot shoot but the terrorist can, when our politicians get off of their A**es and let the military handle the fighting, deny the news hungry reporters excess to combat areas, then we can win, then bring home our troops.

namgrunt
04-13-04, 03:21 PM
How do you pay new French squirrels with SAWs?
PETA bread! :D

Sorry, Gunny, I just couldn't resist it.

vfm
04-13-04, 03:38 PM
Gunny,

I couldn't agree with you more. The politicians have to let the military forces fight the war. There is no "politically correct" way to fight a war. Seek out the enemy whoever it may be and destroy them.
Semper Fi!!!
vfm

d c taveapont
04-13-04, 05:00 PM
will i'm not going to agree with you on all, but in nam we had. C.D.Bs. and snipers, booby traps, and the V.C. who were civilians during the day, and they hunted you at night, you know that as well as any nam vet, of course there were those REMFs, they stood watch only in the rear and they kept us in the bush supplied, all in all we did our tours and came home...the mouse

Tom Clear
04-13-04, 05:18 PM
I must say that No this is not Bush's Viet Nam it is Bush's Iraq. The news media always try to compare current evets to past ones. Mostly because they feel they have studied the event and are"experts" (I use that term loosely) on it. Since they don't have a clue as to what is going on today it is the only way they can put together a story for the Live At Five news. We are in Iraq in a hostile environment, It may be true that the "Garrila" tactics being used and the fact that many of the "innocent civilians" will take up arms only because someone else in the group did and in a blink of an eye kill you and then later that day sell you a beer. I bet you will find the same tactics in most street gangs in the U.S.
Regardless of what the News media report we know one thing for sure, Our troops are fighting and dying everyday. We must look at the big picture, Sadam is out and this allows for some of his former addvisaries the chance to take his place. They to will fail.

God Bless our troops and all who serve, Semper Fi, Tom

usmc4669
04-13-04, 06:15 PM
There's another post Another letter from Iraq that tell us really what's going on over in Iraq.

usmc4669
04-13-04, 06:21 PM
Sorry wrong info, the post is Latest from Fallujah Front and Another letter from Iraq.

SheWolf
04-13-04, 07:43 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by namgrunt
SheWolf:
No, it isn't. Too many people need for us to fail in order to advance their own goals and plans. Painting Iraq to resemble Vietnam brings all the old stigmas to the surface. What divided the country 35 years ago is being tried again with hopes of achieving the same result. It must not end the same way. It doesn't help that both candidates were in service during that era.


]I don't want it to end that way,, but I don't want it to go on forever either


For one thing, the VC, and NVA never landed armed forces in America, while the radical Islamic terrorists already existed in cells here before 9/11, carrying out nefarious attacks over the years.

I'm still not satisfied that the link between Al Qada (sp) and Iraq was THAT big,, did Suddam support Bin Laden, sure but I don't buy the big link theory

I won't recount the democracy theme, since it is played up in all the White House news breifings. You have already heard all the theories. Don't let the past be regurgetated as new thinking. Don't let old ghosts create fear in your heart.

My prayers are with your son and all our folks over there, military and civilian. Hang tough Sarge.

Semper Fi! [/QUOTE

thedrifter
04-13-04, 07:57 PM
April 13 , 2004 <br />
Iraq Isn't Vietnam-And Saying It Is Hurts U.S. Troops <br />
By Mort Kondracke <br />
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Shame on Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) for picking a moment of high danger for...

SheWolf
04-13-04, 08:04 PM
&quot;If we fail, if we cut and run, the results can be disastrous,&quot; McCain said. There will be &quot;a fragmentation of Iraq ... an unchecked hotbed of training ground for individuals who are committed to...

locobrujo
04-13-04, 10:14 PM
How many "next Vietnams" are there? Here are articles on a few of them:

The Illusion of ‘Another Vietnam’ :
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=0&section=7&article=27375&d=13&m=6&y=2003

Colombia Could Be Next Vietnam:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n1410/a13.html

Opinion: Haiti, America's Next Vietnam?
http://www.teenink.com/Past/1993/4184.html

BookFinder.com: El Salvador: America's Next Vietnam?
http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/El_Salvador-Americas_Next_Vietnam/0897121465/

TFF FEATURES - Articles
http://www.transnational.org/features/kosovo.html

The Next Vietnam
http://hrz.uni-paderborn.de/kowag/geoeconomics/p_tnv.htm

A Mideast Vietnam?
http://www.netanyahu.org/mideastvietnam.html

namgrunt
04-13-04, 10:26 PM
SheWolf:

Consider this. At the end of WW2, Japan was full of angry, defeated former Japanese military men who hated Americans. They believed only in the leadership of the Emperor by Divine Right. Though the Emperor was kept in his titular position, General Douglas MacArthur ran Japan as Military Governor.

American forces had to deal with attacks from angry, frustrated former soldiers. Men were killed in certain sectors, and things were ugly for a long time. Eventually, the country stabalized, and went on to become a spark plug of Asian advancement and progress. It didn't happen overnight.

The same will be necessary in Iraq. I have no clear cut idea of how long that might take, but it will happen if we don't lose our focus now. I know you are under extra duress because of your son's active combat participation. I cannot say nothing will happen. I can only pray, along with you, that he comes back with his mind and body sound.

Most men and women will return like that. Then there are the others, like me in my time, who come back "damaged". It doesn't stop us from living, and being pillars of our communities, or even just plain, ordinary, good neighbors. I point to a man on the other side politically, Max Clelland, who lost limbs, yet went on to serve in the US Senate. John McCain also returned from POW existence and served in the Senate. Bob Dole just retired from service. All these men were "damaged".

For those who do not "see" home again, WE see them. We know what it took to go there, and what it cost to stay free. Vietnam is painted as a failure. It was a success, if it served to teach us not to repeat mistakes made then. Their deaths will be honored and remembered. A nation will exist where a tyranny stood before.

If I was still capable of service, I would volunteer to replace one young man or woman who is not committed to the task at hand. Sad to say, I am not "serviceable" anymore. Yet I would go, if called. Just give me my meds, a good weapon, and all the coffee I can chug, and I'll stand watches on a parapet.

usmc4669
04-14-04, 09:51 AM
How many "next Vietnams" are there? Here are articles on a few of them:

They will never be another Vietnam, unless we leave without getting the job finished, then you could say that this was another Vietnam, so lets hope that no mater who's the President in 2005 is that they will finish this WAR

Deduke
04-14-04, 10:32 AM
d c;
What, exactly, is the problem with CAP units?

Semper Fidelis
Deduke