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firstsgtmike
09-15-02, 11:13 PM
WHAT IS A VIETNAM VETERAN?

A college student posted a request on an internet newsgroup asking for personal narratives from the likes of us addressing the question: "What is a Vietnam Veteran?"

This is what was written back:

Vietnam veterans are men and women. We are dead or alive, whole or maimed, sane or haunted. We grew from our experiences or we were destroyed by them or we struggle to find some place in between. We lived through hell or we had a pleasant, if scary, adventure. We were Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Red Cross, and civilians of all sorts.

Some of us enlisted to fight for God and Country, and some were drafted. Some were gung-ho, and some went kicking and screaming. Like veterans of all wars, we lived a tad bit--or a great bit--closer to death than most people like to think about.

If Vietnam vets differ from others, perhaps it is primarily in the fact that many of us never saw the enemy or recognized him or her. We heard gunfire and mortar fire but rarely looked into enemy eyes. Those who did, like folks who encounter close combat anywhere and anytime, are often haunted for life by those eyes, those sounds, those electric fears that ran between ourselves, our enemies, and the likelihood of death for one of us. Or we get hard, calloused, tough. All in a day's work. Life's a ***** then you die. But most of us remember and get twitchy, worried, sad.

We are crazies dressed in cammo, wide-eyed, wary, homeless, and drunk. We are Brooks Brothers suit wearers, doing deals downtown. We are housewives, grandmothers, and church deacons. We are college professors engaged in the rational pursuit of the truth about the history or politics or culture of the Vietnam experience.

And we are sleepless. Often sleepless.

We pushed paper; we pushed shovels. We drove jeeps, operated bulldozers, built bridges; we toted machine guns through dense brush, deep paddy, and thorn scrub. We lived on buffalo milk, fish heads and rice. Or C-rations. Or steaks and Budweiser. We did our time in high mountains drenched by endless monsoon rains or on the dry plains or on muddy rivers or at the most beautiful beaches in the world.

We wore berets, bandanas, flop hats, and steel pots. Flak jackets, canvas, rash and rot. We ate cloroquine and got malaria anyway. We got shots constantly but have diseases nobody can diagnose. We spent our nights on cots or shivering in foxholes filled with waist-high water or lying still on cold wet ground, our eyes imagining Charlie behind every bamboo blade.

Or we slept in hotel beds in Saigon or barracks in Thailand or in cramped ships' berths at sea. We feared we would die or we feared we would kill. We simply feared, and often we still do. We hate the war or believe it was the best thing that ever happened to us.

We blame Uncle Sam or Uncle Ho and their minions and secretaries and apologists for every wart or cough or tic of an eye. We wonder if Agent Orange got us.

Mostly--and this I believe with all my heart--mostly, we wish we had not been so alone. Some of us went with units; but many, probably most of us, were civilians one day, jerked up out of "the world," shaved, barked at, insulted, humiliated, de-egoized and taught to kill, to fix radios, to drive trucks.

We went, put in our time, and were equally ungraciously plucked out of the morass and placed back in the real world. But now we smoked dope, shot skag, or drank heavily. Our wives or husbands seemed distant and strange. Our friends wanted to know if we shot anybody. And life went on, had been going on, as if we hadn't been there, as if Vietnam was a topic of political conversation or college protest or news copy, not a matter of life and death for tens of thousands.

Vietnam vets are people just like you. We served our country, proudly or reluctantly or ambivalently. What makes us different--what makes us Vietnam vets--is something we understand, but we are afraid nobody else will. But we appreciate your asking.

Vietnam veterans are white, black, beige and shades of gray; but in comparison with our numbers in the "real world," we were more likely black. Our ancestors came from Africa, from Europe, and China. Or they crossed the Bering Sea Land Bridge in the last Ice Age and formed the nations of American Indians, built pyramids in Mexico, or farmed acres of corn on the banks of Chesapeake Bay.

We had names like Rodriguez and Stein and Smith and Kowalski. We were Americans, Australians, Canadians, and Koreans; most Vietnam veterans are Vietnamese.

We were farmers, students, mechanics, steelworkers, nurses, and priests when the call came that changed us all forever. We had dreams and plans, and they all had to change...or wait.

We were daughters and sons, lovers and poets, beatniks and philosophers, convicts and lawyers. We were rich and poor but mostly poor. We were educated or not, mostly not. We grew up in slums, in shacks, in duplexes, and bungalows and houseboats and hooches and ranches.

We were cowards and heroes. Sometimes we were cowards one moment and
heroes the next. Many of us have never seen Vietnam. We waited at home for those we loved. And for some of us, our worst fears were realized. For others, our loved ones came back but never would be the same.

We came home and marched in protest marches, sucked in tear gas, and shrieked our anger and horror for all to hear. Or we sat alone in small rooms, in VA hospital wards, in places where only the crazy ever go. We are Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, and Confucians and Buddhists and Atheists--though as usually is the case, even the atheists among us sometimes prayed to get out of there alive.

We are hungry, and we are sated, full of life or clinging to death. We are injured, and we are curers, despairing and hopeful, loved or lost. We got too old too quickly, but some of us have never grown up. We want, desparately, to go back, to heal wounds, revisit the sites of our horror. Or we want never to see that place again, to bury it, its memories, its meaning. We want to forget, and we wish we could remember.

Despite our differences, we have so much in common. There are few of us who don't know how to cry, though we often do it alone when nobody will ask "what's wrong?" We're afraid we might have to answer.

Adam, if you want to know what a Vietnam veteran is, get in your car next weekend or cage a friend with a car to drive you. Go to Washington. Go to the Wall. It's going to be Veterans Day weekend. There will be hundreds there...no, thousands. Watch them. Listen to them. I'll be there. Come touch the Wall with us. Rejoice a bit. Cry a bit. No, cry a lot. I will. I'm a Vietnam Veteran; and, after 30 years, I think I am beginning to understand what that means.

AUTHOR- DAN MOUER

NamGrunt68
09-16-02, 02:53 PM
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Adam, if you want to know what a Vietnam veteran is, get in your car next weekend or cage a friend with a car to drive you. Go to Washington. Go to the Wall. It's going to be Veterans Day weekend. There will be hundreds there...no, thousands. Watch them. Listen to them. I'll be there. Come touch the Wall with us. Rejoice a bit. Cry a bit. No, cry a lot. I will. I'm a Vietnam Veteran; and, after 30 years, I think I am beginning to understand what that means.
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" IT DON'T MEAN NUTTIN"

firstsgtmike
09-16-02, 03:31 PM
To namgrunt68

If " IT DON'T MEAN NUTTIN", than change your name.

NamGrunt68
09-16-02, 04:38 PM
It don't take a phucin brain surgeon to figure out that if you were in Nam that you must o been in the phuckin rear with the gear if'n you don't know what "It don't mean nothin" means.............Don't post back to me azzhole if ya don't know what the phuc yer talkin about !!! Dumb azz mofo !!!

USMC0311
09-16-02, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by NamGrunt68
It don't take a phucin brain surgeon to figure out that if you were in Nam that you must o been in the phuckin rear with the gear if'n you don't know what "It don't mean nothin" means.............Don't post back to me azzhole if ya don't know what the phuc yer talkin about !!! Dumb azz mofo !!!

HEY Dane..Semper Fi, Bro.."It don't mean nuthin" man.
"ain't buta thing"
Good to C U still alive and expressin Marine.
Maybe the Point, Maybe tail end Charlie, but ALWAYS the "6"

NamGrunt68
09-16-02, 05:13 PM
JoeT......when I was typin that post, I could feel yer eyes on my 6 bro !!! Everythang be aok bro.....been workin on the LZ Crotch gittin it ready fer the bro's in Nov....hope ya canz make it !!!!
Welcome Home ya ole Night Mud Sniffer !!!!! Whur's that loco amtrac bro at ?? Last I heard he wuz busted down in Orlando for molesting Minnie Mouse at Disneyworld !!!!

firstsgtmike
09-16-02, 07:47 PM
No, No. Nineteen SIXTY EIGHT.

I just got tired of waiting for you to show up. So when they said I had enough and they were shipping my ass home, I was ready to go.

But I AM glad, that when you finally arrived, you didn't let us down.

Semper Fi

NamGrunt68
09-16-02, 08:05 PM
Uh...JoeT, Arzach, wrbones, sixguns, drifter, badbob....hep me....
I ain't got a whole lot in the education department, so I don't know if I just been insulted or if I need to take a Mavis Beacon course in "How to Know when Somebody just Ran a Red Hot Poker up Yer Azz"......anyway....until I hear back from one o you more astute Grunt Marines on this Top's post, I ain't gonna go into no tizzy and make no personal attack on this Marine........
I'm gonna go take mah free VA meds and bed mahself down into what I hope is a half azz peaceful lala land...............I'll check back in the mornin to see if'n I learn anything right after I check to make sure my azz in still in tact !!!! Goodnight Marines...........

USMC0311
09-16-02, 08:09 PM
My take on the statement Dane iz ..The Top says he was glad he got the hell outa there and Happy You did yer job Bro.
U know No Marine iz gonna ever say " I'm Sorry" cuz we ain't never wrong.
Semper Fi, Bro

NamGrunt68
09-16-02, 10:33 PM
JoeT....tanks fer clearin that up fer me bro !!! Meds ain't werkin tonite so I got back up..........That wuz a good post the Top made and I really didn't mean nuttin by my post, other than what you know I meant....I just thought all Nammies knew what "It don't mean nuttin means", and maybe he did or does, but you know what I meant.............

God Bless the Bro's that Came Home with Wounded Bodies,
God Bless the Bro's that Came Home with Wounded Souls,
God Bless the Bro's that Came Home with Wounded Minds,

And

God Bless the Bro's that didn't come home at all !!!!

AIn't no thang Top................Welcome Home.............

firstsgtmike
09-16-02, 10:40 PM
To NamGrunt68

The fault was mine. My slanguage didn't recognize the phrase "It don't mean nuttin."

Because of that, I was out of line, and I got slammed for it.

Maybe a little harder than I deserved, but when you push a wrong button, as I did, you take what you get.

To USMC0311

I'm NEVER wrong when I say what I think. My thinking may be wrong, but I'm not.


Semper Fi

USMC0311
09-16-02, 10:46 PM
10-4 Top
Semper Fi, Marine

badbob
09-16-02, 11:31 PM
I checked ya out Top, and then I forgave ya

You entered the Corps in 58 - He!!, you were already a company man when I enlisted. Ya had 10 years in by the time NamGrunt68 hit Nam, ya must have been at least an E6 by then, probably a PLT SGT.

You guys at the top missed some of the slang we peons used to describe our reality and that Don’t Mean Nuthin Man!

Semper Fi Bro,
Bob Neener