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marinemom
03-24-04, 05:57 AM
A Big Case Over Two Little Words
Pledge Challenge Centers On 'Under God' Phrase
By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 24, 2004; Page A05


When Michael A. Newdow urges the Supreme Court today to ban the mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, he will be up against not only the Elk Grove (Calif.) Unified School District, where his daughter attends classes.


Newdow will also be battling the school district's supporters: the Bush administration, the Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress, dozens of members of both the House and the Senate, the governments of all 50 states, the National Education Association, and even a group billed as "Grassfire.net and Hundreds of Thousands of Americans."

But the California atheist does have one advantage -- consistency.

An unabashed proponent of extirpating all religious references from public life, Newdow has no problem standing before the court and urging it to edit "under God" out of the pledge, even if that logic, extended, would probably doom "In God We Trust" on currency and even the cry of "God save the United States and this honorable court," with which the Supreme Court commences its work each day.

His opponents, by contrast, must negotiate a minefield of Supreme Court precedents that have interpreted the constitutional prohibition on the official establishment of religion to mean that government must stay neutral among religious beliefs, avoid actions that have the purpose or effect of endorsing any religious belief, and refrain from coercing individual citizens to express a religious belief.

It helps their cause that many justices have observed in passing that the pledge is probably constitutional, but that is hardly conclusive.

Thus, to some extent, legal analysts say, the pro-pledge case is a result in search of a legal rationale.

"If you look at the logic of the cases writ large, take their logical principles and try to apply them in the abstract, then Newdow wins, because the pledge seems to endorse religion in some measure," said Eugene Volokh, a professor of constitutional law at the University of California at Los Angeles. "The rationale [for the pledge] is pretty clear -- it's the 'no extirpation' rationale. . . . But the question is, how do you translate that into a legal rule? And the answer is, it'll be quite a challenge for the court to do."

In 1992, for example, the court ruled 5 to 4 that a rabbi's nonsectarian invocation at a public high school graduation ceremony violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because nonreligious students might feel psychological pressure to join in, even if they were not formally required to do so.

The San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit cited that case, Lee v. Weisman, in its decision last year banning the recitation of the pledge in the public schools of nine western states.

Though students have always been free to remain silent during the recitation of the pledge, the 9th Circuit court ruled that the mere fact that Newdow's daughter in elementary school had to stand and listen to "under God" violated his right to instruct her in religious matters without state interference.

The 9th Circuit court noted that the pledge was rewritten by Congress in 1954 to include "under God" as a way to contrast the United States with the officially atheistic Soviet Union, making it a state-sponsored affirmation of monotheism.

The pledge, Newdow says in his brief, is "the majority using the machinery of the state to enforce its preferred religious orthodoxy." Among his supporters are Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the American Civil Liberties Union.

By contrast, defenders of the pledge's current wording must explain to the court why it should not apply the principles of cases such as Lee v. Weisman.

Each of the 33 briefs filed in support of the pledge -- one by the Elk Grove Unified School District, which is near Sacramento, and 32 by friends of the court -- makes that point in a different way. Some, such as the brief from the Catholic League, urge the court to embrace the fact that the Founders saw Americans' rights as an endowment from God. The pledge, the Catholic League brief says, "encourages continuing recognition of the idea of God-given freedom."

But for the most part, the briefs steer in a relatively secular direction, calling the pledge a patriotic exercise, not a religious one.

The reference to God in the pledge is "ceremonial," Elk Grove argues in its brief, and the pledge "is simply a patriotic expression, that includes a reference to God, which reflects a long standing philosophy of government."

In a similar vein, the Bush administration's brief refers to "under God" as a permissible acknowledgement of "the role that faith in God has played in the formation, political foundation, and continuing development of this Country."

The brief goes on to cite statements in opinions by nine justices in which they expressed the belief that "under God" is constitutional.

Newdow's opponents and others also give the court another option: Forget about "under God" and throw the case out on the ground that Newdow, who never married his daughter's mother and has no legal custody over her, lacks standing to sue in the first place.

"In these circumstances," says a brief submitted by former California Supreme Court justice Joseph R. Grodin, in support of neither party, "the Court should vacate the Ninth Circuit's judgment" and send the case back to the California Supreme Court for it to settle the question of Newdow's standing -- a process that could take months or years.



Perhaps Mr. Newdow needs to take a look at his money.....and refuse to accept payments or spend it.

namgrunt
03-24-04, 08:38 AM
If Mr. Newdow gets his way, there would be need to change all the founding documents of this nation. The United States of America would become the Associated States of North America. The Union, which the civil war was fought over, would cease to be one without the binding documents of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Newdow would render his own point of view moot. Once the changes have been wrought, the courts would have to throw out any and all rulings, since they were made in accordance with an outdated, illegitimised contract which would have been nullified. Is this what Newdow really wants? No "Law of the Land" to guide us, as has stood for over two hundred years?

That being the case, someone could nullify Mr. Newdow, by caving in his head with a baseball bat, and claiming it was an unspecified right to express angst and frustration under some obscure interpretation of the NEW Law of the Land.

Without reference to a Creator, or God Almighty, what would be used as the measure for moral judgement? Relativism would become the new yardstick. It would all become a thick tacky Politcally Correct mess which no human could unravel, let alone live under.

I say let Mr. Newdow have his way, and I'll go see if I can find that old baseball bat of mine. I would not be restricted by morals or rules of behaviour, since there is "no One above us", according to Michael Newdow. His problem would also be solved, since he wouldn't have to hear the word "God" anymore. Seems like a tenable solution to me. We would both "win".

It wouldn't be much of a positive world, would it?

Semper Fi!

thedrifter
03-24-04, 08:42 AM
Americans Prefer 'Under God' in Pledge, But Will Court Will Decide
By GINA HOLLAND
Mar 24, 2004, 07:40

Americans overwhelmingly want the phrase "under God" preserved in the Pledge of Allegiance, a new poll says as the Supreme Court examines whether the classroom salute crosses the division of church and state.
Almost nine in 10 people said the reference to God belongs in the pledge despite constitutional questions about the separation of church and state, according to an Associated Press poll.

The Supreme Court was hearing arguments Wednesday from a California atheist who objected to the daily pledges in his 9-year-old daughter's classroom. He sued her school and won, setting up the landmark appeal before a court that has repeatedly barred school-sponsored prayer from classrooms, playing fields and school ceremonies.

The pledge is different, argue officials at Elk Grove Unified School District near Sacramento, where the girl attends school. Superintendent Dave Gordon said popular opinion is on their side - but that's not all.

"It's not a popularity contest. If something is wrong, it should be corrected. No matter how many people support it," he said. "The argument that `under God' in the pledge is pushing religion on children is wrong on the law. It's also wrong from a commonsense perspective."

God was not part of the original pledge written in 1892. Congress inserted it in 1954, after lobbying by religious leaders during the Cold War. Since then, it has become a familiar part of life for a generation of students.

The question put to the Supreme Court: Does the use of the pledge in public schools violate the Constitution's ban on government established religion?

Michael Newdow, the father who filed the lawsuit, compared the controversy to the issue of segregation in schools, which the Supreme Court took up 50 years ago in Brown v. Board of Education.

"Aren't we a better nation because we got rid of that stuff?" asked Newdow, a 50-year-old lawyer and doctor arguing his own case at the court.

The AP poll, conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs, found college graduates were more likely than those who did not have a college degree to say the phrase "under God" should be removed. Democrats and independents were more likely than Republicans to think the phrase should be taken out.

Justices could dodge the issue altogether. They have been urged to throw out the case, without a ruling on the constitutional issue, because of questions about whether Newdow had custody when he filed the suit and needed the mother's consent.

The girl's mother, Sandra Banning, is a born-again Christian and supporter of the pledge.

Absent from the case is one of the court's most conservative members, Justice Antonin Scalia, who bowed out after he criticized the ruling in Newdow's favor during a religious rally last year. Newdow had requested his recusal.

The case is Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, 02-1624.

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On the Net:

Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourtus.gov

9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/


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Ellie

namgrunt
03-24-04, 09:33 AM
The words "Under God" do not promote any religion. They signify the existence of a higher spiritual power than ourselves. That does not define what that power is, just that it exists. Without a higher power to reckon with, we would be free to do whatever we wished to whomever we wanted to, and have no "consequences" to trouble our minds.

Each human would be his or her own King/Queen, Prime Minister, President, or whatever. Each person would also have to defend against all comers without the sake of any Law to codify human behaviour. We would slide back into Neanderthal times, when the wielder of the biggest "club" ran the whole show. We would be back to Square ONE of "Beginning Civilization" 101. The difference is we would do it in a world where Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons exist.

How do you take your World? One lump or two?

TOP_CARLOS
03-24-04, 10:31 AM
Regarless of religion (Christrian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.) what the phrease "Under God" truly means is that we are one nation under a higher power. That we are giving ourselves to the nation and not to a religion.

Once they take the phrase "under God" out of the pledge, they have stated that the flag will be the next thing to go from the classroom. Is that what we as a nation want?

In the last 40 years, they have taken prayer out of the schools, and no longer teach creation. Once the pledge and the flag are gone from our schools, then what is next...Our history?