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thedrifter
02-12-04, 12:16 PM
Army testing new 'Kitchen in a Carton' meal system to replace MREs


By Lisa Burgess, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Wednesday, February 11, 2004


ARLINGTON, Va. — Remember the lunch box you took to school? Remember its tasty contents, neatly packaged in one colorful tin container?

Remember your lunch box sending plumes of steam roiling over the playground?

OK, maybe not.

That steaming parcel would be a new “group lunch box” under development by the Department of Defense Combat Feeding Directorate at the U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center in Natick, Mass.

The box is actually a carton packed with food, condiments and serving ware. Built-in heaters warm the food without stirring or supervision, “so soldiers can go off and do other things and come back to a hot meal,” according to Peter Lavigne, a chemical engineer on the Equipment and Energy Team.

The “Remote Unit Self Heating Meal” or “kitchen in a carton,” as its developers call it, is designed to be used by small groups of soldiers on patrol, or performing other missions that take them far from their unit’s field kitchen, Lavigne said in a Monday telephone interview.

The food carton eliminates the need for soldiers to carry MREs, “reduces weight and waste, and takes the [food] load off soldiers’ backs and puts it in the back of a truck,” Lavigne said.

The new meal also satisfies the very human desire to gather together for meals in groups, Lavigne said.

“Hot, cook-prepared meals … are a motivator and a morale thing, as opposed to going off and eating out of individual pouches,” he said.

The current instruction sheet for the cartons is almost comically simple. Along with a few cautions that include not to drink the heating water and that contents are “hot!” after heating, there is all of one step for soldiers to take: “Pull activator tab to release water to heaters.”

Thus begins the chemical reaction that generates heat and steam. Thirty to 45 minutes later, voilŕ — a hot entree, vegetable, starch, and dessert.

As for the steam — well, the engineers are working to reduce that, Lavigne said, both to reduce visibility and to improve heat management.

“I’d like to cut [the steam] in half,” he said. “We want to condense a lot of the steam inside the package, before it escapes.”

The first soldiers to field-test the cartons — 35 Rangers at Fort Lewis, Wash., during two days in December — loved the simplicity, Lavigne said.

“The first time, they all sat around reading the directions,” Lavigne said. “By the second time, it was, ‘Pull the tab, dummy.’”

But “the biggest thing they liked about it was that they didn’t have to worry about cleaning up and sanitizing everything” after the meal, Lavigne said. “They just put all the leftovers back in the carton and tossed it.”

Although the technology that goes into the cartons is pretty well established, the meals won’t be fielded until 2006, Lavigne said.

That’s because several questions aren’t settled yet, including the optimal number of servicemembers the box should feed (between 12 and 18); and whether the box should include the activation water, and so be totally self-contained, or have users add it separately, cutting down on weight.

Natick food specialists are also busy designing menus for the cartons that are likely to include new and improved breakfast foods — in particular, better-tasting eggs, Lavigne said.

The next step for the cartons “is a much longer field trial,” with at least 100 soldiers, which will take place this spring, probably with the 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Ga., Lavigne said.

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.S. Army photo
The Remote Unit Self Heating Meal (RUSHM), or "Kitchen in a Carton," provides everything needed to feed up to 18 troops in one tidy package. Dinner is served on a small tray during a technical demonstration at Fort Lewis, Wash., in December.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=20378


Sempers,

Roger
:marine:

namgrunt
02-13-04, 04:18 AM
Good gawd! What will they think of next? Fold out tables and chairs? Perhaps a little parasol to shade the poor troopies from that nasty sun?

Seriously though, this endeavor had better be only for large units, principally headquarters groups. The social engineering which went into the inception is laughable. I can see problems on the horizon already. According to Peter Lavigne, developmental engineer for this project:

1. Purpose:"So soldiers can go off and do other things and come back to a hot meal."
*Other things like what? Clear an enemy bunker? Fieldstrip and clean a weapon? Dig a fighting hole? Clear a minefield?

2. Designed for use by small groups of soldiers on patrol. ...eliminates the need to carry MREs, ....reduces weight and waste. Takes load off soldiers, and puts it in the back of a truck.
*What sort of "small patrol" takes a TRUCK with them to carry their chow? Have we declared war on a deaf, blind country?

3. The new meal also satisfies the very human desire to gather together for meals in groups.
*Oh yes, lets all sit around in a circle, swap stories as we eat, and compare desserts. We should also remember to lift our pinky fingers as we drink from our canteens. After all, one grenade can NEVER get all of us.

4. Hot, cook-prepared meals … are a motivator and a morale thing, as opposed to going off and eating out of individual pouches.
*Unless you are on the prowl looking for the enemy. (see #3)

5. “the biggest thing they (35 Army Ranger guinea pigs) liked about it was that they didn’t have to worry about cleaning up and sanitizing everything” after the meal, Lavigne said. “They just put all the leftovers back in the carton and tossed it.”
*Tossed it?? What happened to snoop and poop to avoid discovery, and burying your trash? What items in the heatable "box lunch" could be used by the enemy to make impromptu booby traps? I recall the VC were ingenious little farts.

6. Serving size per box would be from 12 to 18 soldiers.
*Patrol sizes will have to be increased to maximize the use of resources.

7. The box is actually a carton packed with food, condiments and serving ware. Built-in heaters warm the food without stirring or supervision.
*These box meals couldn't be transported in the same truck along with ammunition. If one of them should malfunction and begin to heat, it would prove disasterous if in contact with reactive materials like grenades or small arms ammo. No one would know there was a problem if the steam is hidden amongst a loaded truckbed of ordnance, until the load blew skyhigh. Food and ammo would be segregated to seperate deliveries. If one of the deliveries failed to make it, the intended unit would suffer, by running out of chow, or ammo.

The whole project doesn't make sense to me, but then, I was never in a battalion size headquarters group. Maybe I'm all wet, but this sounds like social engineering to me. "Sit in a group", indeed! Give me Ham and Eggs, Chopped, or Beefsteak, Potatoes, and Gravy, or Ham and Lima Beans, or any C-ration, with a small bottle of Tabasco. I'd even prefer MREs, though I've never tasted them. At least I wouldn't have to go scrounging for edible roots and indigenous chickens.

Semper Fi!
namgrunt

cmbell
02-13-04, 05:37 AM
I'd say keep the MRE's. The bean burrito one has to go though it was like eating s**t in a fake corn tortilla. It was always great mixing all kinds of stuff from different MRE's together and to find out what it was going to taste like. If it was terrible there was always Tabasco. Tabasco covers up any flavor...

namgrunt
02-13-04, 05:55 AM
cmbell
Son, you haven't lived until you've tasted Beefsteak, Potatoes, and Gravy, cooked with that round cheese from Cheese and Crackers, with a dash of McIlhenny's Tobasco Sauce. We used to burn a Trioxane tablet, or a chunk of C4 as a fuel source. When you got the canned concoction to a slow bubble, it was one of the best meals in the C-ration carton. Trade desserts for Canned Peaches, and you had a meal worth fighting over.

If you were eating cold, Ham and Eggs Chopped was my choice. the difference was that you carried your chow with you. When there was a 5 or 10 minute break in the bush, you could open and eat a can of something, to keep up your strength. You opened the empty can on both ends, to prevent it from housing a grenade boobytrap if found. Then you buried your trash deep, and carefully covered over the dig markings to match the surrounding terrain.

Thats the way we did it back in the late 60s.

Namgrunt

wayne553
02-15-04, 07:34 PM
ham n eggs,lima beans hot (well warm)were my choice

wc

namgrunt
02-16-04, 03:08 AM
wayne553

M-M-M, the good stuff from the good old days. Actually, I can't remember the other meals in a 12 box carton. I think there were two of each, but I recall the ones I liked best. You won't be able to "improvise" with these Squad Lunch Boxes. It is all predone for you. Where is the room for creativity? It takes initiative away from the individual Marine, by golly.

namgrunt

MillRatUSMC
02-16-04, 07:41 AM
Why does this remind me of the "wiz kids" of the 60's?
They thought they had all the answers.
namgrunt, you're correct, couldn't ship this lunch box with any ammo.
So that would place more stress on those handling supply.
But I must difer on using C-4 to heat C-Rats.
Why, you might ask.
Once we ran into a booby trap 105 round.
I told this squad leader to place a charge of C-4 so it would blow after we cleared the area.
He told me that they had no C-4 dued to having used it to cook with.
I than informed him that he best crap some, because I wasn't going to leave that 105 round for someone else to find the hard way.
Cooking with C-4 and bunching up, were two things that got under my skin.
Hated losing any Marine to a mine or booby trap, but it would have blown my mind losing several because of the herd mentality.

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

MillRatUSMC
02-16-04, 07:44 AM
Forgot to say, Ham and muthers were my favorites.
Some thought me a nut.
But it had moisture in the can.
Anything else you had to add a little water especially those that were dry...

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

namgrunt
02-16-04, 10:53 AM
MillRat
You've got a point about using C4 to cook C-rats. Its too late to change that now. It was not the preferred fuel, since the triox tabs worked best, but it did work in a pinch. I don't recall ever running short of it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As for bunching up, I was a grunt. It was unnatural to bunch up. That what struck me as so odd about Engineer Lavigne's comments in the article. He obviously didn't have any military combat experience. It was disconcerting to read how the Army Rangers, who were used to test this stuff, were so sloppy about tactical security. Anyone with more than a month "in country" would automatically spread out, even for a rest break on the trail.

Semper Fi!