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trimmerjr
02-12-04, 03:45 AM
Wednesday, February 11, 2004 Posted: 9:08 PM EST (0208 GMT)



Actress and anti-war activist Jane Fonda listens during a 1970 rally in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Sen. John Kerry, then a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against The War, is in the background, directly above Fonda.

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(CNN) -- The publication of an old photo of Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-Vietnam War rally is raising questions about the antiwar activities of the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Kerry, a much decorated Vietnam War veteran, became an antiwar activist after he returned to the United States. (Kerry's biography)

The photograph, taken on Labor Day 1970, shows Fonda at an antiwar rally in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. Kerry, who at the time led a group called Vietnam Veterans Against The War, can be seen in background behind her.

Kerry's campaign confirmed that he was at the rally and spoke.

The conservative Internet site NewsMax.com published the three-decades-old photo Monday as President Bush was facing continuing questions about his attendance record for National Guard duty during the Vietnam era. (Full story)

But aides stressed that Kerry and Fonda were only acquaintances, and the meeting took place two years before Fonda took a controversial trip behind enemy lines and posed for pictures on a North Vietnam army anti-aircraft gun which prompted her angry detractors to dub her "Hanoi Jane."

Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, told the Washington Times that Kerry's attendance at the rally with Fonda "symbolizes how two-faced he is, talking about his war reputation, which is questionable on the one hand, and then coming out against our veterans who were fighting over there on the other."

Kerry enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1966 and served as the officer of a swift boat that patrolled the Mekong Delta. He left Vietnam in 1969 after being wounded three times. He was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple hearts.

His campaign Web site says Kerry became an antiwar demonstrator because he believed that decisions "were being made to protect those in positions of authority in Washington at the expense of the soldiers carrying on the fighting in Vietnam."

In 1971, Kerry and other veterans threw their military decorations and dog tags onto the steps of the Capitol.

"This was an organization of men who risked their lives in Vietnam, who considered themselves totally patriotic," Fonda said of Kerry's antiwar group.

Fonda also dismissed attempts to link Kerry to her controversial antiwar past with the photograph as "a dirty black propaganda tactic."

"My reaction is that the American people have had it with the big lie," she told CNN Wednesday. "Any attempts to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false. We were at a rally for veterans at the same time. I spoke, Donald Sutherland spoke, John Kerry spoke at the end. I don't even think we shook hands.

"I'm tired of the government lying. I'm tired of people desperately pulling out anything that they can do to hurt another candidate, and I think that the American people feel that way, too," she said. "It's a bunch of hogwash."

She also said that she does not recall meeting Kerry during the antiwar movement, although she said she did meet him years later after he became a senator and she was married to Ted Turner, who founded CNN but no longer has any management role with the network.

Kerry aides said he did not support Fonda's trip to Vietnam, an action for which many veterans still refuse to forgive her more than 30 years later.

On the campaign trail, Kerry frequently talks about both his war record and his antiwar activities after coming home, and he has said he is proud of both.

But his so-called association with Fonda has begun to draw fire from conservatives and veterans.

"It bothered us, anyone who associated themselves with Jane Fonda, with (her husband)Tom Hayden, with the antiwar movement," said Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-California, a former Navy pilot shot down in 1972.

"We just wanted to do our job, complete our mission for our country that sent us and come back alive. And having people like Sen. Kerry protest that was kind of a slap in the face to us."

But the president of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, Bobby Muller, said Kerry has strong support among Vietnam vets.

"We have been contacted by veterans across the country [asking], 'How do I connect to the Kerry campaign?'" he said. "I have not seen in the 26 years that I've been in Washington, ever, the kind of dynamic and energizing of a Vietnam veteran community in this country as I am right now."

namgrunt
02-12-04, 08:53 PM
I found this story on CNN Online also. I sent the VVAF (VVAW) an e-mail and told them they don't speak for this two tour veteran. I'd rather see screaming Howard Dean get the nomination.

greybeard
02-13-04, 11:06 PM
Did it look like this?

namgrunt
02-14-04, 12:06 AM
Thats a new photo to me, Greybeard. I've never seen it before. There is no wiggle room if Kerry is asked about working together with his friend. If Kerry didn't get laid, its his own fault, since he appears to be working "closely" with Hanoi Jane in this picture.

namgrunt

greybeard
02-15-04, 03:23 PM
Oh crap- I meant to get back here but forgot. The reason I only asked "Did it look like this?" is because there are several supposedly 'doctored' photos floating about, including that one. Sorry for the confusion.

namgrunt
02-16-04, 03:15 AM
I would have used one of HJF's "Barbarella" still pics if I was going to fake something. Of course, then it would be an obvious put-on.

namgrunt

wayne553
02-17-04, 08:30 PM
I posted this before
http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/

wc

ivalis
02-17-04, 10:41 PM
There's a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands w/ saddam too. What's the point.

greensideout
02-17-04, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by ivalis
There's a picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands w/ saddam too. What's the point.

I think the point is---we are looking for a place to stand but there is no point to stand upon because everything is round.;)

ivalis
02-17-04, 10:48 PM
hey, that's pretty profound green. keep up the good work.

greensideout
02-17-04, 10:56 PM
Ok, it's your turn. Tell us why Kerry should be President.

namgrunt
02-17-04, 11:02 PM
LOL

ivalis
02-17-04, 11:26 PM
Actually, anybody but Bush would be preferable.

I'm more p!ssed at the democrats in the congress for giving in without a (futile as it would turn out due to their minority status) fight about issues as:The Patriot Act, The Tax Cut, No Child Left Behind, The Farm Bill, and last but not least, the ill thought out adventure in Iraq.

Voted for Sharpton today just to see if Jackson County would count the vote.

greensideout
02-17-04, 11:43 PM
Not a bad choice on the vote.

I think most of us feel that the choices of the democrats leave much to be disired.

On the other hand, repub or demo---same-o.

We are lead down the same path by both.

thedrifter
02-17-04, 11:48 PM
Fonda Defends Kerry's Anti-War Past
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
February 17, 2004

(Talon News) -- One day after the raucous White House press briefing during which her name was mentioned, the actress who became known as "Hanoi Jane" emerged to defend Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). The briefing centered on questions about President Bush's service record with the Air National Guard, but Talon News raised the issue of John Kerry's anti-war activism and his involvement with Fonda.

Likely spurred on in part by the question at the briefing that was broadcast live on cable news networks as well as a photograph circulated widely on the Internet showing her and Kerry at Vietnam antiwar rally, Fonda appeared on CNN on Wednesday. In an interview ostensibly about her role in "The Vagina Monologues," Fonda lashed out at those who have dredged up events of over thirty years ago.

Fonda said, "Any attempts to link Kerry to me and make him look bad with that connection is completely false. We were at a rally for veterans at the same time."

Fonda confirmed they both spoke at the event, but adds, "I don't even think we shook hands."

A spokeswoman for John Kerry said, "John Kerry and Jane Fonda were just acquaintances."

Fonda and Kerry are pictured together at a rally organized by the antiwar group, Vietnam Vets Against the War (VVAW) on Labor Day in 1970. Fonda spoke at the event in Valley Forge, PA and later adopted it as her pet cause. Kerry followed her speech with his own remarks, and later became the leader of VVAW. Two years later Fonda would travel to North Vietnam to pose with troops fighting the U.S. forces, an act that many still consider treasonous.

Kerry's association with Fonda evokes the same kind of reaction. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), a navy pilot shot down in Vietnam in 1972 said it was "a slap in the face."

Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX), a prisoner of war during the Vietnam conflict said of Kerry's antiwar past, "I think it symbolizes how two-faced he is, talking about his war reputation, which is questionable on the one hand, and then coming out against our veterans who were fighting over there on the other."

Kerry was quoted in the New York Times at a Wall Street protest in 1971, saying, "Guilty as Lieutenant Calley may have been of the actual act of murder, the verdict does not single out the real criminal ... the United States of America."

Several weeks later he appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" where he said, "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others...in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages."

Kerry repeated those admissions before Congress as well.

Addressing a controversy that seems to be intertwined with the questions about Bush's service record, Kerry said, "You know, we just move on. You know, we're 30 years beyond that and I think people are interested in the future."

Copyright © 2004 Talon News -- All rights reserved.

http://www.talonnews.com/news/2004/february/0217_fonda_kerry.shtml

Sempers,

Roger
:marine:

trimmerjr
02-17-04, 11:50 PM
Ivalis, you sound like a bleeding heart leberal. I bet your Clark & Kerry lover. Lastly, you have been brained washed by the media and the Democrates that will say anything to get elected. Also, Kerry is a week liberal. Case in point, he said he voted to go to War with Iraq "just as a threat" what kind of leadership is that.

ivalis
02-17-04, 11:53 PM
valid point, don't think a democrat would have appointed Mullah Ashcroft to be attorney general.

Can't believe that the vice president would go hunting w/ Scalia when there is a case involving him before the supreme court.

Having a hard time understanding how the party of Lincoln, who not too many years ago were calling for a balanced budget amendment, has created the largest deficit in history.

The dollar is at near record lows on the world market, largely due to the deficit, causing oil prices up by at least a couple of bucks a bbl.

There is soft wood tarriffs against Canada while jobs are outsourced to India. The hypocracy of the free trade defenders is laughable. Not to mention the ill concieved steel tarriffs which probably cost more jobs than saved.

I'll take a prez w/ a libido & a brain back anyday.

greensideout
02-17-04, 11:59 PM
Where will you find this prez? We must face it---the choice is not there.

trimmerjr
02-18-04, 12:05 AM
I guess you forgot we got had a ressession, corporate scandales that started with the Liberal Derlict in his duties president Clinton, 911, Afghanistan and Iraq. Finally we have someone the guts to make the hard decisions.

ivalis
02-18-04, 12:18 AM
the decision to invade Iraq preceeded 9/11. I'm so sick of commandante less than zero using that as an excuse for all that ails the country.

Bush & Kid Rock, same crap, wrap youself in a flag.

"Patrioism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" HL Menken

greensideout
02-18-04, 06:10 PM
"Patriotism means equipped forces and a prepared citizenry."

---Dwight D. Eisenhower

ivalis
02-18-04, 06:55 PM
Ike also said, to paraphrase, beware of the military industrial complex.

usmc4669
02-18-04, 07:04 PM
greybeard: Said

Did it look like this?

greybeard has attached this image

I hate to say this but that was a doctored up photo of Kerry and Fonda. We have a few scum Bags in the Republicans party also.

greensideout
02-18-04, 07:07 PM
Ivalis, he was right to warn us on that. Look what happened with Nam and the most obvious example--- the current state of that relationship.

ivalis
02-18-04, 07:38 PM
4669, check out bartcop.com, it has some interesting stuff (some of it over the top even for me) bout our commadante primero.

namgrunt
02-26-04, 12:41 PM
And everybody hollers liberals don't have a voice! Hah! Bartcop.com is the far side of political satire, ala Saturday Night Live.

"Yessir folks, Dixie Chicks Forever, and elect Martin Sheen to the white house. (Oops, he already has an electonic oval office, doesn't he.) Whaallll, anyway tax everyone back to the stone age and no one will want to fight anyone. Buy Sarah Brady gingerbread bumperstickers, they're not shot from guns!! And finally, John Kerry will bring back Kamelot!"

Puleeze! What sort of place is it which has a link called "THEHUNTINGOFTHE PRESIDENT.COM", which attempts to confer sainthood on the previous president, and claims he was the political target for 10 years. Folks, he was only in office 8 years. Whats wrong with this math?

The bartcop website also refers to the First Lady as "Pickles Bush", despite the fact that she is not a political pugilist. She never has tried to run the country, nor has she sought a congressional office, unlike another person, who will remain the nameless Junior Senator from the State of New York.

greybeard
02-29-04, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by usmc4669
greybeard: Said

Did it look like this?

greybeard has attached this image

I hate to say this but that was a doctored up photo of Kerry and Fonda. We have a few scum Bags in the Republicans party also.
I believe I straightened that out already, in my very next post on this subject.

originally posted by ivalis
The dollar is at near record lows on the world market, largely due to the deficit, causing oil prices up by at least a couple of bucks a bbl.

You want to fill them in on the rest of that story, or would you like me to do it objectively and in a non-partisan manner? Only you, Japan, and the Europeans seem to be complaining about the dollar, and they are outright scared about it. Why? A weaker dollar means American goods sell more overseas. Foriegn goods are more expensive both overseas and here in the US. Foriegn countries are exporting less with a weak dollar and we are exporting more. It's the main reason Germany's head of state is over here talking to GWB right now. On the other hand, A strong dollar means foreign goods are more attractive here in the US, and US goods are less attractive overseas.



BTW, The value of the dollar has little to do with the price of imported oil. It is also up in national markets with a much stronger currency, like those using the euro. OPEC sets the price, world wide, for their oil. It's the same "at the terminal" price for all nations who buy from them. How strong or weak a particular nation's currency is doesn't affect the price of imported oil. Do a little real research and stop listening to political rehtoric.