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USMC_1983-89
02-05-04, 11:07 AM
The "old" and "new" Marine Corps...

There has been a considerable amount of speculation and lots of time spent attempting to determine exactly when the "Old Corps" ended and the "New Corps" began. I shall endeavor to end the speculations, innuendos and rumors for all time.

After extensive research, which included trips to the National Archives, the Marine Corps Historical Center at the Washington Navy Yard in Washington, DC, and many hours spent on the website of the United States Marine Corps, History & Museums Division (a great site located at: http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/HD/Home_Page.htm), I finally discovered the answer.

No. It was most certainly not when “the crucible” began in boot camp. It was not when the Eagle, Globe & Anchor emblem switched from the double “banner” in the eagle’s beak to the one “banner” design of today. Nor was it when young Marines in Korea were being led by salty WW II vets. Alas, it also was not the switch from the M-1903 Springfield to the M-1 Garand nor even when officer's switched from the boarding cutlass to the Mameluke sword.

Here is the coveted answer:

In 1775, as you all know, the Marine Corps was formed at Tun Tavern in Philadelphia.

In the beginning they announced that any new recruit would get a free tankard of rum.

Unfortunately, they didn't get as many recruits as they wanted, so they announced that from now on, all recruits would get TWO tankards of rum.

A Marine in the back ranks yelled, "We didn't have it that good in the Old Corps!"


Semper Fi!

Forrest C.
Former L/Cpl of Marines
HQ, Btry., 14th Marines
1983-89

:banana:

kentmitchell
02-06-04, 06:16 PM
We called anything before Oct. 25, 1956 the Old Corps, anything beyond that the New Corps and we called ourselves This Here F***G Outfit.

usmc4669
02-06-04, 06:34 PM
kentmitchell
There's no such thing as the Old Corps, just some New improvements, and less benefits.

MillRatUSMC
02-06-04, 07:12 PM
And the answer is;
When the Corps went from numbers to letters to designate their companies after serving with Army division in WWI.
Before there was change of rifle or uniform.
Those too could be consider when designating the "Old Corps" from the "New Corps"...but as "Chesty" said "I don't give a damm if it's New Breed or Old Breed as long as it the Marine Corps...
Or words to that effect...

Semper Fidelis
Ricardo

TracGunny
02-06-04, 07:17 PM
Old Corps, new Corps, whatever. To me there is only the Corps.

"You will be "boot" (new Corps) to anyone who joined the Corps one or more days before you did (old Corps). Everyone is "boot" to someone."

kentmitchell
02-07-04, 06:09 AM
USMC4669,

Maybe there isn't an old Corps, but to me YOU are Old Corps.
I salute you and listen to your wisdom. As they say, you've worn out more boondockers than I've worn out socks.

Semper Fi

greybeard
02-07-04, 06:41 PM
Or, as I was once told-
"Boot, I bet your service number has more digits than the national debt."

I never saw one personally, but I read about an older Marine that had dogtags-round, brass, and had his thumbprint acid etched on one side, with the tooth notch.

usmc4669
02-07-04, 08:41 PM
greybeard:

Where did you read this?
I never saw one personally, but I read about an older Marine that had dogtags-round, brass, and had his thumbprint acid etched on one side, with the tooth notch.

Got to be one Clown in every post. You get my vote.LOL
Semper Fi

greybeard
02-07-04, 09:30 PM
usmc4669

I'll send the info to you in a PM. The guy who posted the info enlisted in 42 I think. Saw combat in 3 wars. WWII, Korea, Vietnam.

leroy8541
02-08-04, 10:06 AM
Saw an article on the "tooth notch" was actually a tooling mark left from the presses used to punch out the tag blanks from a big sheet.

greybeard
02-08-04, 11:53 AM
Saw the same article yesterday. Who knows? That may have been the original purpose, but military folks out in the field are famous (or infamous sometimes) for improvising. I've heard the 'tooth notch' thing too many times from too many people for it not to have some truth to it anyway.
http://dogtagmachines.com/HISTORY/More_History/more_history.html