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FoxtrotOscar
08-05-17, 05:14 PM
BREAKING: 7.62mm Rifle to REPLACE M4 Carbine – Interim Combat Service Rifle Solicitation Released by US ArmyThe US Army has released a solicitation for a new 7.62mm infantry rifle (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c3a0df63ed769522a0cdf3df867774e8&tab=core&_cview=1) to replace the M4. The Interim Combat Service Rifle program (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/06/03/breaking-us-army-releases-rfi-new-7-62mm-interim-combat-service-rifle/), known to be in the works since April (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/05/breaking-us-army-considering-going-back-1954-interim-7-62mm-infantry-rifle/) of this year, would replace M4 Carbines in use with combat (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=1008&BEFID=96424&acode=1017&code=1017&aon=&crawler_id=481999&dealId=9EQBznO_4xi5FpWTo3JPHQ%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Ffirearms%2Fha ndguns%2Fsemi-auto%2Fcombat-unit-rail-gun-5in-9mm-black-9-1-sku100401870-89725-184234.aspx%3Fcm_mmc%3Dcse-_-Itwine-_-shopping-_-100-401-870%26utm_medium%3Dcse%26utm_source%3Decn%26utm_ca mpaign%3Ditwine%26utm_content%3D100-401-870%26gdffi%3D5e517ec5e60d4cc7bbc235bfc648114c%26g dfms%3DF70361B6E1EC4AE782937244094BC09B&DealName=Colt%20Combat%20Unit%20Rail%20Gun%205in%2 09mm%20Black%209%2B1rd%20-%20Combat%20Unit%20Rail%20Gun%205in%209mm%20Black% 209%2B1&MerchantID=481999&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170804051336&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=1519.99&SKU=100401870-100401870-370017) units with a new weapon in the 7.62x51mm caliber (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=1008&BEFID=96424&acode=1017&code=1017&aon=&crawler_id=481999&dealId=LvuxHjuwCq86wRRvrBGrZQ%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Frifle-parts%2Fmuzzle-devices%2Fsuppressors%2Fomega-suppressor-multi-cal-qd-mount-sku100400130-85753-182026.aspx%3Fcm_mmc%3Dcse-_-Itwine-_-shopping-_-100-400-130%26utm_medium%3Dcse%26utm_source%3Decn%26utm_ca mpaign%3Ditwine%26utm_content%3D100-400-130%26gdffi%3D5e517ec5e60d4cc7bbc235bfc648114c%26g dfms%3D82A2346B341444F491DF69D7A8134FC7&DealName=Silencerco%20Omega%20Suppressor%20Multi%2 0Caliber%20Quick%20Detach%20-%20Omega%20Suppressor%20Multi%20Cal%20Qd%20Mount&MerchantID=481999&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170804051336&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=1130.0&SKU=100400130-100400130-22180).

The new solicitation requires companies to submit 7 weapons plus ancillaries for testing, and includes the promise of up to 8 Other Transaction Agreements (OTAs, non-contract transactions), leading to the eventual selection of 1 weapon for a contract of 50,000 units.

The primary justification for the ICSR program are improved ceramic body armors that are resistant to existing forms of small arms (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=1008&BEFID=96424&acode=1017&code=1017&aon=&crawler_id=481999&dealId=Tc6Qp9U1fuxQTS6PMfrXyQ%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Ffirearms%2Fri fles%2Fbolt-action%2F11-long-range-hunter-26in-300-winchester-magnum-matte-black-sku100403872-91621-182964.aspx%3Fcm_mmc%3Dcse-_-Itwine-_-shopping-_-100-403-872%26utm_medium%3Dcse%26utm_source%3Decn%26utm_ca mpaign%3Ditwine%26utm_content%3D100-403-872%26gdffi%3D5e517ec5e60d4cc7bbc235bfc648114c%26g dfms%3D339DC402A40346D6A450C96B6A19CED2&DealName=Savage%20Arms%2011%20Long%20Range%20Hunte r%2026in%20300%20Winchester%20Magnum%20Matte%20Bla ck%203%2B1rd%20-%2011%20Long%20Range%20Hunter%2026in%20300%20Winch ester%20Magnum%20Matte%20Black&MerchantID=481999&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=170805051229&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=999.99&SKU=100403872-100403872-370005) ammunition.

The logic goes that the Army’s new 5.56mm M855A1 round (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=round) cannot penetrate these new armors, and therefore the service must switch to a new round.

However, this is misleading, as current 7.62mm M80A1 is incapable of penetrating these body armors either – and specialty tungsten cored ammunition in both 5.56mm and 7.62mm calibers are capable of penetrating armor of this type. The US Army seems to be banking on its yet-undescribed XM1158 ADVAP round (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/30/setting-record-straight-milleys-congressional-testimony/) to bridge this gap – however Chief Milley himself admitted in testimony to Congress that the ADVAP’s design could be applied to either 7.62mm or 5.56mm ammunition (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=ammunition).

These facts leave us with very little justification for the move to 7.62mm. It’s difficult to ignore the picture that a move towards a larger caliber infantry rifle has been lobbied for by manufacturers for over a decade, (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/15/addressing-overmatch-part-1-rule-nothing-no-one/) as it would give whoever won a toehold on a highly lucratic exclusive contract. Sadly, all this program will do is take a load off Chief Milley’s back, and put it on the backs of our troops. (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/22/gearing-lose-next-war-overmatch-part-2-bullets-backbreakers/)

One wonders if General Milley is willing to write to families of the dead when ICSR-equipped units run dry of ammunition (http://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=ammunition) and are overrun by 5.45mm-armed foes.

troop901
08-05-17, 07:52 PM
They are thinking about replacing our 40 cal. with 9 MM as a duty weapon cause that state up north went to them and said that the new duty ammo for the 9 is the same. Has anyone dealt with this so called new 9 ammo and does it have the same knock down power as the 40 cal. I want to go to the Clint gun, 44 revolver, if ya cant hit them in 6 shots then hang it up and if ya do hit them then they aint getting back up.

Kegler300
08-05-17, 08:13 PM
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FistFu68
08-06-17, 10:49 AM
Yessir 7.62 eVery armory should have a ton of those new age 0311 Tools H&K? FMJ armor piercing turn that body armour into Swiss cheese