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Shaffer
02-02-04, 06:35 AM
Bowing to political pressure, President Bush will name a bipartisan, independent commission this week to review prewar U.S. intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs, administration sources said Sunday.

That intelligence was used to justify the U.S.-led war in Iraq, the first under the national security strategy Bush outlined in September 2002, which called for pre-emptive attacks against terrorist groups and nations that possess or are developing weapons of mass destruction.

David Kay, the former U.S. chief weapons inspector, said last week that no such weapons had been found in Iraq, and that he didn't believe stockpiles of banned weapons would turn up.

"It turns out we were all wrong, and that is most disturbing," Kay told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing last week, during which he called for an independent probe of the apparent intelligence failure.

Bush could make the announcement as soon as Monday. Sources said the panel is likely to have nine members.

In an effort to defuse the weapons of mass destruction dispute as an election-year issue, Bush will set a deadline of sometime in early to mid-2005, the sources said.

The White House initially rejected calls from Kay and key members of Congress for an independent review of prewar intelligence on Iraq. But with political pressure mounting, Vice President Dick Cheney began making calls last week to key members of Congress to explore potential compromises.

Bush began considering such a review early last week and made the decision this weekend, a senior administration official said.

"He wants it to be more broad than Iraq," the official said. "The president's view is there are a number of challenges for our intelligence community on the issues of weapons of mass destruction, and we need to look at the broader issue of closed societies and outlaw regimes and our capabilities to gather necessary intelligence."

The president is expected to sign an executive order creating the new commission. White House staff have been told to review procedures for staffing and sharing information with the panel -- an issue that has caused conflict with the commission studying intelligence lapses before the attacks of September 11, 2001.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair also faces pressure to set up a probe into intelligence he used to justify going to war against Iraq. (Full story)

The White House sources spoke to reporters about the Iraq inquiry after a week in which Kay and congressmen from both parties called for an independent investigation into why U.S. intelligence appeared to be wrong.

"It's important that it be outside the normal political process so it can have the maximum credibility," Kay told CNN.

"This is important for domestic support of the intelligence community and of our foreign policy. It's important for national security, and it's certainly important for our ability to lead other countries in the future against threats that we may think threaten us."

Kay said the United States was not alone in its prewar interpretation of Iraq's weapons capability. Although other countries' intelligence agencies differed on how serious a threat Iraq was and what course of action to take to mitigate it, "there was very little difference around the world on the issue of 'Does [Saddam] have weapons?'" Kay told CNN. " ' Yes, he did,' was the consensus."

In the National Intelligence Estimate, which was declassified in October 2002, the State Department said it could not find a compelling case that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons. But the administration never cited that report in making the public case to go to war.

"There are caveats that clearly dropped out, dissenting opinions that clearly dropped out, as you moved higher up and people read the headline summaries," Kay said. "I think this is something that needs to be investigated and looked at."

Kay said Bush's policy of pre-emptive war cannot survive intact unless the quality of U.S. intelligence-gathering and analysis is improved.

"If you cannot rely on good, accurate intelligence that is credible to the American people and to others abroad, you certainly can't have a policy of pre-emption," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

U.S. officials may have misused what intelligence they did have, suggested Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden, a Democrat who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee. He accused Vice President Dick Cheney of making inaccurate statements about Iraq's weapons capabilities before the war.

Biden cited comments Cheney gave in March, before the U.S.-led attack on Iraq, to NBC's "Meet the Press" that "We believe Saddam has reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Biden said he had seen no such evidence.

"No intelligence person ever said that, that I'm aware of, and the vice president went ahead and blandly and boldly stated it. It was not accurate. So, one of the things we have to look at is not just whether there was pressure, but whether the information given the administration was properly used."

Bipartisan support in Senate
Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona has been calling for a probe since last summer, when discrepancies emerged about Bush's State of the Union assertion that Iraq had tried to buy uranium in Africa.

Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and the Select Intelligence Committee, agreed that an investigation is needed.

"We need to open this up in a very nonpartisan, outside commission to see where we are," he told CNN. "I don't think there's any way around it ... America's credibility is at stake."

Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California is prepared to support a resolution calling for an independent probe, a spokesman said last week.

Feinstein has opposed such resolutions in the past, and her switch is important because she is considered a centrist and has a reputation for dealing with intelligence matters in a non-partisan way.

A key member of the Senate Intelligence Committee expressed reluctant support for an independent commission to investigate the matter.

"I'm not a fan of commissions, generally speaking," Republican Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi said. "But, in this case, there's no question that there was an intelligence failure, in some form or another."

He added, "What I want to know is, what happened? Why wasn't it more reliable, why wasn't it more accurate? And, more importantly, what are we going to do about it?"

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a Democrat of West Virginia, urged that any mandate go beyond prewar intelligence to include scrutiny of the relationship between intelligence and decision-making, and he urged that the inquiry begin soon.

CPLRapoza
02-02-04, 07:20 AM
The Cia is a fall back angency when it comes to intellegence, of courdse that's where the finger eill get pointed. DUH!!!

Double Eagle
02-03-04, 12:36 PM
A fall back agency? The CIA is the Intelligence Agency of this Nation. Rightfully, blame should be directed there. However, in an election year, focus will be inappropriately placed on our Commander In Chief by those wishing to change horses in the middle of the "Terrorist" stream. Lest we forget - A leader is only as strong as those under his lead and as intelligent as those tasked with providing him intelligence information.

GySgtRet
02-07-04, 10:29 AM
The balking of the United Nations and the pansey ass way that was handeled is in question for me. The CIA may have furnished the intel in a timely manner, I think it was the lack of action by the United Nations that coused the problem.

Semper Fidelis

hobbit
02-21-04, 07:20 PM
If the politicians in Washington hadn't cut back on funds in the 80's and stopped whining about the agencies tatics, they wouldn't be hip deep in **** now.

MAJMike
02-21-04, 08:25 PM
Let's not lump Iraq/Saddam Hussein under the "terrorist" mantra, as the current adminsitration wants us to believe.

Was Saddam a bad guy? Yes. Should he have been removed? Definately.

Did the administration try to paint the Iraq/Saddam situation with the broad stroke of "anti-terrorism" after 9/11? D-uh!

Ther is not, and will not be any connection of Iraq and Saddam to any terroristic threat to the US or the rest of the world. There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction. There was no Al Queda / Iraq connection.

If you want the guy out of there, fine. Tell the people the TRUTH, not some BS story.

While we have some 130,000 troops tied down in Iraq for the next 3-4 years (what was that Viet Nam scenario again?), we have a total of 11,000 troops in Afganistan looking for Al Queda and the remaining Taliban - the REAL bad guys.

Three things to remember about Iraq:

1. Bush lied.

2. Bush Lied.

3. Bush Lied.

greensideout
02-21-04, 08:42 PM
Three things to remember about Iraq:

1. Bush removed an evil dictator.

2. Bush removed part of the funding for terrorism.

3. Bush removed a building WMD program.

By the way; That's "President Bush" to you and me.

ivalis
02-21-04, 09:32 PM
1. Regan/Bush I armed saddam.

2. Oil is a fungible good. anybody that drives funds the terrorists (not just the dope smokers that the administration would lead you to believe)

3. Wish lists on sticky notes does not a building WMD make.

namgrunt
02-21-04, 11:17 PM
MajMike

Would operation of a terrorist training base qualify Iraq as a "Playa" amongst terrorists nations? What would you accept as proof of complicity? If a facility could be found which fit the purpose of training terrorists, would you say it didn't count?

How would you explain a location, about 25 miles south of Bagdad, called Salman Pak? Satellite photos show an airliner body in the middle of a cleared field with no hangars or shops nearby. The roads around the field are not runways leading to an airport tarmac. There are no other planes within the picture. The fields appear to be open sand and dirt, such as we use for training purposes. What is the purpose of an airliner body at this location, except to train individuals in procedures of plane commandeering tactics? Is this a "lie" too?
I would appreciate any information you may have which would prove this sighting and the photos were frauds. If you have such proof, then please post it. A website link would serve just fine.

If it walks, swims, quacks, and passes waste like a duck, can we not assume it is a duck?

Semper Fi!

yellowwing
02-22-04, 12:41 AM
Al Quada detainees and Osama himself have always distanced themselves with the Saddam regime. When I worked with Kurdish refugees, they said Saddam was an evil paper Islamic.

Training methods with a mock 707 can mean anything. A motivated Iraqi LtCol determined to train his troops properly may be the answer to all this. The actions of a LtCol does not indicate National intentions.

Sometimes a duck is really just a duck, no threat at all. I don't envy the job of our S-2 lads.

Fear is a great motivator. Instill fear in the great unwashed masses and you are guaranteed true power.

namgrunt
02-22-04, 02:39 PM
LOL In that case, lets make duck soup.

It may not be an indicator of national intentions, but it shouldn't be dismissed as impossible. How many countries have such training facilities? Was Iraq concerned with foiling hijackers? When was the last time an Iraqi airliner was hijacked?

The 19 hijackers of US airliners had to train somewhere. Is there such a facility in Syria? Perhaps Iran has such a camp. There is always the chance that the interpretation of intelligence is incorrect, but can we chance letting things slide? That is what caused the SNAFUs this time, poor intell.

If we had not moved in the 60s, when the Soviets were placing missiles in Cuba, we would be locked within the borders of the USA right now. That was done on analysis of intelligence then. We must improve our capacities, not just point fingers and name call. To do less will find us fighting amongst ourselves when the terrorist attacks begin anew.

Thats why I ask for proof that these are non-important fraud pictures. If I'm to rule them out, I want proof that the ruling is legitimate, and the result safe for the nation. Is there such proof? All I have to do is re-read the original list posted above, to see the same intelligence was used to arrive at the same conclusions. The only difference is the party making the statements, and the actions taken as a result.

Perhaps things would have been different if, lets say, Bob Dole had been elected. If the same opportunity to grab Usama bin Laden had been laid in his lap, would he have taken the chance and captured bin Laden? It would have unseated the plans of attack because the banker would have been out of circulation. Unfortunately, Bill Clinton was in charge when Usama Bin Laden was offered to our government THREE TIMES. We sat on our hands and did nothing. To me, that is not leadership.

Semper Fi!

usmc4669
02-22-04, 03:43 PM
MAJMike:
Let's not lump Iraq/Saddam Hussein under the "terrorist" mantra, as the current adminsitration wants us to believe.

Was Saddam a bad guy? Yes. Should he have been removed? Definately.

Did the administration try to paint the Iraq/Saddam situation with the broad stroke of "anti-terrorism" after 9/11? D-uh!

Ther is not, and will not be any connection of Iraq and Saddam to any terroristic threat to the US or the rest of the world. There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction. There was no Al Queda / Iraq connection.

If you want the guy out of there, fine. Tell the people the TRUTH, not some BS story.

While we have some 130,000 troops tied down in Iraq for the next 3-4 years (what was that Viet Nam scenario again?), we have a total of 11,000 troops in Afganistan looking for Al Queda and the remaining Taliban - the REAL bad guys.

Three things to remember about Iraq:

1. Bush lied.

2. Bush Lied.

3. Bush Lied.



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Now here's a guy that knows for sure, if you don't believe me, ask him.

mark king
02-27-04, 09:26 AM
clinton said he saw the same info. that pres. bush saw about iraq and so did alot of senators and house reps, so they must be a bunch of liers also.

usmc4669
02-27-04, 10:04 AM
MAJMike
Let's not lump Iraq/Saddam Hussein under the "terrorist" mantra, as the current administration wants us to believe.

MAJMike, from what I have seen in your replies you don't like the Bush administration; still the Bush administration have done more to fight the terrorist than the Clinton administration.

mark king

Clinton said he saw the same info. that pres. bush saw about Iraq and so did alot of senators and house reps, so they must be a bunch of liars also.

As always, most of our Senators and representatives point fingers at each other when things get screwed up. This happens on both sides of the isle.

The Clinton administration dropped the ball more than once.