Everyone MUST check this out

[dep_baumy]

This is an amazing website. Go and watch some of these videos, I reccomend "Taliban Bodies" Watch that first, this is purely awesome.


http://grouchymedia.com/


P.S.

Here is another link to some Marines footage.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm

[gatormatt]

last summer at OCS we were a few weeks in and they showed this at the beginning of one of our classes. it was pretty motivating cause it was the first video or music we had heard in weeks.
some pretty cool videos on that site. thanks for the link.

Matt

[2ndplacesucks]

dep_baumy

what is the best for watching these video's?

I downloaded that real media, I saw die terests die, and taliban bodies. but after that it would not let me watch any more, I am on my bro's computer, he has windows meidia player or something, does that work????????

any one that knows what thet are doing for sure please let me know, thoes video's were bad and I want to watch the rest.....



THANKS IN ADVANCE!!

[dep_baumy]

I have always used Windows Media Player and never had a problem, the one time I did use real media though, it didnt work, probaly best to use WMP.

[leroy8541]

Cool videos, although the one video on information clearinhouse was a clear case of murder!! The Marines shown in this video are all in for a court martial if the right people see this. Motivating though.

[Lake0300]

I disagree with "murder".

Marines have orders. Shoot on sight anyone emplacing IEDs. You know, those road-side bombs that've been pestering our vehicles? Those little ****ers that've killed more then 200 of our men and women.

The only thing I didnt like about that video was that the first two shots missed. -Lake

[dep_baumy]

I agree with Lake, he was already wounded, they were just finishing up the job, putting him out of his misery if you want to be optimistic.

[Mudwalker]

I haven't seen the video yet but if they wounded him and then went up and "put him out of his misery" then it is a war crime. Otherwise known as murder. You all need to get a clue and realize that combat isn't just going out and killing the enemy. It's easy to sit back and talk trash. Once you are faced with it and experience it you will see that your apparent thirst for combat will disappear rather quickly. I have found that most Marines who try to glamorize war are basically full of sh!t.

[Sgtj]

Well said Gunny!

[leroy8541]

When you go to bootcamp you will learn the diff between a kill and out right murder, and trust me folks this was murder! The Geneva code was put into place for a reason, war is no excuse for lawlessness. I agree with the Gunny and Sgtj, war sucks, been there and done that. Don't care to do it again, but will if told to.

[MAJMike]

The deps and Poolees will soon discover that war, at least on "our" side is covered by Rules of Engagement. They leave very little doubt as to how one acts in a war zone.

I have yet to see a "shoot on sight" order regarding civilians "emplacing IEDs." Those of us who have been "there" know that everything isn't black and white. Each week there are accounts of civilians being killed in Iraq that were later found to be "innocent" and just in the wrong place, at the wrong time doing the wrong thing.

It's NOT any easy decision when to pull the trigger on a civilian. "Shoot first and ask questions later" doesn't hold water in the 21st century.

About combat - can't say it any better than the Gunny did above.

[SGTDBG0411]

RIGHT ON GUNNY AND ALL MY FELLOW MARINES THAT KNOW WHAT COMBAT IS ALL ABOUT. THESE YOUNGSTERS TODAY WATCH TOO MANY WAR MOVIES OR PLAY TOO MANY VIDEO GAMES TO CARE ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT,WRONG OR THINK IT'S COOL. BEING COOL IS STUPID AND CAN GET YOU HURT OR KILLED IN THE MILITARY OR CIVILIAN WORLD. UNTIL YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LIFE WILL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT.

[Apollo]

Originally posted by Mudwalker

I haven't seen the video yet but if they wounded him and then went up and "put him out of his misery" then it is a war crime. Otherwise known as murder. You all need to get a clue and realize that combat isn't just going out and killing the enemy. It's easy to sit back and talk trash. Once you are faced with it and experience it you will see that your apparent thirst for combat will disappear rather quickly. I have found that most Marines who try to glamorize war are basically full of sh!t.

I normally am a lurker here but dicided to point something out. Was it me or did I see the guy reaching for a rifle to the side.(on his Right) I am preaty sure that if a guy is reaching for his rifle after being wounded he is fair game. Am I wrong?
---Jon

[gatormatt]

I read an article somewhere where it said he was reaching for his rifle. I'm not sure about how that affects the situation. I don't think it was in the Marines best interest to cheer after shooting him, especially on camera. I've never shot anyone so I guess I can't really say how I might react.

Matt

[tomwhitt1]

It amazes me the number of people who make comments about murder, putting him out of his misery and this is wrong and that is wrong when no one here on line saw any of the preceding incidents that led up to the individual who was wounded. This is what our press people contantly do, as they only want to show the things that create news... not the entire footage.
For those of you who are old enough, remember Hue City the day before Tet 1968, it was a peaceful nice treelined drive coming into town. no one then expected that night of hell. In a free fire zone if it moves take it out, if it carries a rifle it is the enemy no matter in unifor or not... The will kill YOU quicker than you even think...
Tom Whitt
Southeast Asian War Games
Class of 67-68

[2ndplacesucks]

I thiink it was dep_baumy that posted a site link awhile back, it was nothing but motavationial quotes and I didn't write it down if you still have it can you send it to me or post it again.
thanks in advance!!

[dep_baumy]

Heres the link to that site




http://home.swbell.net/dg12/a/famoussayings.htm

[2ndplacesucks]

thanks for the quick response

[mucho]

i cant find that information clearinhouse video, does anyone have a copy they could send me???

[mucho]

nevermind, im an idiot... i was looking for it on grouchymedia lolol

[CPLRapoza]

I'm sorry but I have to agree with the Lance Corporal on this one, no one here knows the exactly what the situation was that brought those Marines to that point. The Media could obviously be hiding something from us on this one. The fact that they cheered afterwards doesn't help but then again, I didn't actually see them cheering, did you, the Marine who was actually shooting wasn't smiling, he looked to be assessing the target to me. Those cheers could have easily been fabricated into the video, to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing wasn't just a big fabrication, but we don't know because we weren't there. Watch the video again slowly, and youu will see what I mean. You Veitnam Vets here should know how the Media can make it look worse then it really is and turn against us just for the heat of the story, does the name Jane Fonda ring a bell. Before you go and automatcially charge these Marines with murder, have a little faith in our brother Marines. We know the Rules of Engagement, and we live by them. The fact that a bunch of Marines would just shoot this guy in cold blood doesn't make sense, espescailly with camres right in their face, think about it. I'm actually ashamed of ya'll for jumping to such conclusion so abruptly. Watch the video again and you will see that they edited it quite abit. Now, by what the video shows, then Iwould have to say that it was and unlawful act, but not murder, cause in the fog of war, sh*t happens. Now, y'all might think I'm rationalizing here, but this video just does seem to be holding any water, I don't think our brother grunts are that stupid.

[namgrunt]

The Iraq video is not definative in proving what happened. The prone man is already down, but it isn't explained how he got there, and we must not presume to know. Unless there was an inquiry held, which took testimony from the involved Marines and the news team which accompanied them, we just have images and voices. There had to be a senior man present, who reported to his superiors. That man also had to be aware that he had CNN reporters with his team, squad, or platoon. In light of that network's previously demonstrated bias in favor of the former regime (remember they made a sweetheart deal with Saddam to stay in Bagdad), I would want to see more evidence, and hear eyewitness accounts of what happened, before congratulating or condemning the participants.

I was a grunt. I served two combat tours in Nam. I feel this event needs to be explored further before I come down for one side or the other. As I watched, I wondered why the man was rolling over. Was he going for a weapon, or rolling onto his stomach to keep from choking on his own blood? I was once forced to do the same thing. I was alone when hit, and rolled onto my belly to keep blood from running down my throat. The only way to keep it clear was let gravity remove the blood before it congealed and blocked my airways. It was a reflexive move to survive.

I do feel the men involved should be presumed innocent unless proven otherwise. They should have the opportunity to explain what happened in detail. Every leader is responsible for the conduct of all the men under his command, whether he was a squad leader, or a team leader. Where was this leader during the shooting? Did he give the order to fire? If a Board of Inquiry is held, and finds cause to bring charges, then proceed to the next plateau.

The filmed "interview", where the young Marine says it was awesome, and "Let's go do it again.", could have been from some other event. There is a break in filming, which allows too much to be "staged" in order to achieve the desired political effect. That is why the news crew and reporter must also called to task. What happened, both before the segment began, and after it ended?

I also know, for a fact, there were murders committed in Vietnam. Between tours overseas, I served as an MP at Camp Pendleton. One night, I was placed in charge of a prison chaser detail. We were to make a pickup from El Toro MCAS, and return the personnel to Pendleton to await disposition. The plane we met had 28 Marines aboard, all convicted of murder and attempted murder, against both civilians and other Marines. It happens in any war situation, and on both sides.

I say hold a Board of Inquiry, then draw conclusions from the evidence uncovered, and let the chips fall where they may. Thats the only way to do it. Its the only way to clear these Marines of wrongdoing if they are innocent of the charges. Thats how I see it.

namgrunt

[leroy8541]

I have watched the video 10 more times. Someone stated he was rolling to get his rifle, he was rolling away from his rifle.

I will however agree with some others,we do not know what led up to this moment, any of the circumstances of the shooting how much is actually superimposed onto the film to make Marines look like the bad guys here. We are only seeing the tailend of a firefight, a piece of it. The adrenaline pump of a firefight will haze your eyes over, and everything seems to be out of control. I guess this is the fog. Crap happens very quickly. This clip is very sketchy, and I was wrong to say Murder without any backup. I still wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the shooter on this clip.