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thedrifter
01-24-04, 07:35 AM
Quiet diesel subs surface as new threat <br />
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By James W. Crawley <br />
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER <br />
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January 22, 2004

greybeard
01-24-04, 09:38 AM
If they are talking about such vessels as the old Romeo class, they are obsolete and the bubbleheads I talk to say they can find them with impunity. The submariner community, particularly the fast attack people, is vehemently denying this report as just an excuse to get budget increases. Propably belongs on the urban myth sites. :yes:
This is what China currently has according to Jane's. North Korea also makes extensive use of old Russian stuff and their inventory is consider less than a viable threat in the real world. It's not the propulsion system Drifter-it's the propellors and active sonar. The Russian, Chinese and N. Korean boats are noisy as heck. Ain't scared.

Class: SSB - 1 'Golf'
Chinese-built to Russian plans. Originally fitted for three Russian SLBMs, but these were never supplied and she was modified for 2 Chinese SLBMs; refitted in 1995 for new trials missiles. Not combat-capable.
Builders: Dalian SY.
Displacement: 2,900 tons submerged, 2,350 surfaced
Dimensions: 99 x 8.5 x 6.5 meters/324.8 x 27.8 x 21.3 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 diesels, 3 shafts,
Speed (kts): 13 dived, 17 surfaced
Diving Depth: 750 ft.
Crew: 87
Sonar: Herkules active
Armament: 2 JL-2 ballistic missiles, 10 21 inch torpedo tubes (6 bow, 4 stern)


Number Name Year
200 1966



Class: SSG - 3 'Song' (Type 039)
A new Chinese-designed and -built diesel submarine. Production was reportedly planned at two per year starting in 1998, but it is expected that this will be slowed or cancelled in favor of Russian-built subs. The second unit has been badly delayed, and the first is reported to be unsatisfactory.
Builders: Wuhan SY.
Displacement: 2,250 tons submerged, 1,700 surfaced
Dimensions: 246 x 27.5 x 17.5 meters/807 x 90.2 x 57.4 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 or 4 MTU diesels, 1 shaft
Speed (kts): 22 dived, 15 surfaced
Diving Depth: 820 ft.
Crew: approx. 60
Sonar: unknown
Armament: YJ-82 (C-801) anti-ship missile, 6 21 inch torpedo tubes
minelaying configuration: Mines replace torpedoes


Number Name Year
320 1998
321
322
323




Class: SSK - 4 'Kilo' (Type 877EKM/636)
These are standard export versions of the 'Kilo' design, purchased in 1994 and delivered from stocks on hand. Reportedly both had become inoperable by 1997 and will be refitted in Russia.
Builders: Krasnoye Sormovo Zavod 199, Nizhniy Novgorod, Russia.
Displacement: 3,076 tons submerged, 2,325 surfaced
Dimensions: 74.3 x 10 x 6.6 meters/243.7 x 32.8 x 21.6 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 2 diesels, 1 shaft
Speed (kts): 17 dived, 10 surfaced
Diving Depth: 790 ft.
Crew: 53
Sonar: MGK-400 Shark Gill LF active/passive suite, passive hull arrays, MG-519 Mouse Roar active mine avoidance
Armament: 6 21 inch torpedo tubes (18 torpedoes or 24 mines), 1 Strela SAM Position


Number Name Year
364 1995
365 1995
366
367



Class: SS - 18 'Ming' (Type 035)
A Chinese-built variant of the 'Romeo' design. These boats are completely obsolete in modern terms, but are useful as patrol and coastal defense assets. Production continues, probably to provide cheap replacement for aging 'Romeos'.
Builders: Wuhan SY; built 1975-date.
Displacement: 2,113 tons submerged, 1,584 surfaced
Dimensions: 76 x 7.6 x 5.1 meters/249.3 x 25 x 16.7 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 2 diesels, 2 shafts
Speed (kts): 18 dived, 15 surfaced
Diving Depth: 790 ft.
Crew: 55
Sonar: Herkulese active/passive, Feniks passive
Armament: 8 21 inch torpedo tubes (6 bow, 2 stern; 16 torpedoes or 28 mines)



Number:
233, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309,
342, 352, 353, 354, 356, 357,
358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363



Class: SS - 32 'Romeo'(Type 033)
Chinese-built copies of the Soviet 'Romeo' design. 84 units were built for Chinese service; of these 65 are believed to remain in existence, with around 38 nominally operational. Of the operational boats, however, only a small number are capable of going to sea at any given time, due to a lack of trained crews. These boats are completely obsolete, but a limited life extension overhaul program is reportedly being undertaken.
Builders: Wuhan SY, Guangzhou SY, Jiangnan SY, Huladao SY; built 1960-1984.
Displacement: 1,712 tons full load, 1,475 surfaced
Dimensions: 76.6 x 6.7 x 4.95 meters/251.3 x 22 x 16.2 feet
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 2 diesels, 2 shafts
Speed (kts): 12 dived, 14 surfaced
Diving Depth: 650 ft.
Crew: 51
Sonar: Tamir-5L active, Feniks passive
Armament: 8 21 inch torpedo tubes (6 bow, 2 stern; 14 torpedoes or 28 mines)


Number:
256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 268, 269, 270, 271, 275,
276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 286, 287, 291, 292, 293,
294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303,
304, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 355

greybeard
01-24-04, 12:09 PM
This was also posted on another forum, as a link to the San Diego article. Replies were many. I'll have to clean this one up a little. <br />
&quot;I actaully built Deisel/Electric Submarines when I worked for...