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Doc Crow
01-02-04, 07:20 AM
Gentlemen,
Please read the piece below credited to Gen. Hawley USAF (Ret) where he provides his insights into today's GWOT. I think what he is credited as saying makes absolute sense and wanted to share it with you. If you agree, pls pass it one to others.

This Air Force General should have been a Marine. What a magnificent and
insightful view of what this war on terrorism is actually about. Please
read and pass on as you see fit.

General Hawley, is a newly retired USAF 4 star general. He commanded the
Air Combat Command [our front-line fighters and bombers] at Langley AFB,
VA. He is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct.
A true patriot!

"Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such
surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too.
Here they are:

1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen
carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me
now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't
mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy
on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country
has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be
the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in
history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what
happens.

2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you
usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it.
Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already:
Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky,
half measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought
through, professional, well executed violence never leads to more
violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead.
That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back
into the bosom of love." Dead.

3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community have failed us."
For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the
ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not
protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee
Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided
that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy
satellites. "After all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate
from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a
license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans
is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we
bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the
really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans
into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks
like Gary Busy in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a
coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet
that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving
the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.

4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at
us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a
desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than
Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless
people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in
power. Mohammed At, one of the evil scum bags who steered those planes
into the killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew
this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching
against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any
cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend
more time drinking. It's the same today.

5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the
Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an
article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden
family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff,
never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm
crushed. Please come back. Let's all stop singing "We Are the World" for
a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor
in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt.Rushmore and
turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't
offend them."

SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year:

Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the
relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter
what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start
this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshima's?"
I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl Harbors."

THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN CIRCULATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OR WILL FALL FOR
THE STUPIDITY GOING AROUND. PLEASE PASS IT ON

TracGunny
01-02-04, 07:44 AM
Yes, Gen. Richard E. Hawley is a real person, a United States Air Force general who served as commander of the USAF's Air Combat Command until his retirement in 1999, but no, he didn't write or deliver the speech quoted above. This "speech" is actually a column by humorist Larry Miller which appeared in The Daily Standard on 14 January 2002; the version circulating on the Internet omits the opening and closing paragraphs:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/hawley.htm

TracGunny
01-02-04, 07:51 AM
General Hawley said of the words now mistakenly attributed to him: <br />
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There is a piece zooming around the internet that attributes some pretty forceful statements to me, Dick Hawley - one time...

firstsgtmike
01-02-04, 07:56 AM
When I first read this, I chose NOT to post it.

To me, it would have been the same as saying: "Guess what guys, here is an additional proof that 2 + 2 = 4".

I'm sure the General does not need any help, but before anyone decides to make a fool of themselves, PM me and I will assist you in defining your position. (and teach you to duck down when a tank is passing overhead).

Doc Crow
01-02-04, 12:18 PM
I am going to stop posting this stuff Dang posted 2 of these and both have been errors. Dang I got this from what I thought was a reliable individual

TracGunny
01-02-04, 12:35 PM
...you aint the only one, Doc! It took a couple of 'burns' before I became extremely skeptical of all things email/Internet. My next post is a reply I keep handy for when I receive stuff from people in emails; it is not meant to belittle anyone, just to share some good websites to use for some investigative research.

TracGunny
01-02-04, 12:38 PM
Greetings:

Have you ever found yourself playing around on the Internet, bored, with no particular place to go that holds your interest? Then check out these (11) Websites; they are entertaining and, alas, educational.

We all receive emails with claims and stories that are too good or bizarre to be true (a dead giveaway).

However, every now and then one comes across that seems creditable. I have learned to be suspicious of everything that comes into my email inbox. The following list contains some sites I have found that have greatly aided in discerning fact from fiction, frauds, and hoaxes. Some of them are just plain fun to read and wonder how anyone can fall for them. As a sibling of mine has quoted to me, “I think, therefore I doubt (David Gerrold).”

Hope you enjoy,

John A.

http://www.urbanlegends.com
http://www.3oddballz.com/hoaxes/
http://www.arachnophiliac.com/hoax/
http://www.breakthechain.org/
http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/
http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/default.htm
http://www.scambusters.org/index.html
http://www.snopes.com/
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/
http://www.vmyths.com/