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thedrifter
11-12-03, 09:19 AM
ON THE HOME FRONT
Yellow ribbons
now under fire
Reminders of troops in Iraq
causing massive rift in town

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Posted: November 11, 2003
5:28 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Yellow ribbons symbolizing troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan have divided a Maine town holding a Veterans Day parade for the first time in 60 years.

Local veterans in South Portland want the ribbons – which are attached to utility poles along the parade route – to stay long after the event is over. Opponents, however, contend they are a political symbol of support for President Bush, not just American troops, the Portland, Maine, Press Herald reported.

The conflict has brought in the Maine Civil Liberties Union, which contends if the ribbons are allowed, other views must be permitted as well.

City Attorney Mary Kahl agrees, arguing one of the rights the 1,000 area veterans fought to protect is free speech, the paper said.

Resident Kathy Cabana, speaking at a city meeting, said she "was offended by people saying people against yellow ribbons were not patriotic."

The debate began in August when a mother whose son is fighting in Iraq, Valorie Swiger, was told by city officials to remove yellow ribbons she tied to public buildings and utility poles around the city, the Press Herald reported.

City council members pointed out an ordinance prohibits such items from being attached to city property on the public right of way.

A group of citizens, however, who later were joined by veterans groups, lobbied to have them restored, leading to a contentious debate with city officials.

"Every one of those ribbons represents a soldier to me," said Swiger, according to the South Portland paper. "It doesn't represent a Republican. It doesn't represent a Democrat."

Now the council apparently is willing to allow the ribbons to remain after the parade, but the debate has shifted to whether other viewpoints will be allowed as well.

Attorney Kahl explained to the Press Herald the First Amendment forbids any ordinance that controls the content of what is posted on public property.

The only control the city has is over where items are posted, their size and how long they can stay up, she said.

A proposed ordinance would allow "nationally recognized symbols of support for America and Americans."

This, however, would preclude ribbons commonly used to support causes such as AIDS awareness and breast-cancer prevention.

The MCLU contends any such measure limiting what can be posted will be struck down in court. The group says it wants to ensure all points of view, including unpopular ones, can be expressed.

"We seem to have to learn this lesson again and again," said Louise Roback, the organization's executive director, according to the Press Herald.

Parade organizer Roger Sabourin, a Vietnam veteran, contends a yellow ribbon is not a cause.

"It is about service and sacrifice," he told the paper.

While the city debates the issue, the ribbons will remain on display.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35542


Sempers,

Roger
:marine:

thedrifter
11-12-03, 09:21 AM
ON THE HOME FRONT
Man calls yellow ribbons 'offensive'
Tells city he might file suit if items not removed from public property

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Posted: April 2, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A disgruntled California man has demanded the mayor of Burlingame remove the many yellow ribbons displayed on a major retail thoroughfare and to apologize to "any person who may have been offended by his illegal actions," reports the San Mateo Daily Journal.

Mayor Mike Coffey had decided the city would not enforce an ordinance against private displays on public property when a woman asked if she could put ribbons on Burlingame Avenue. Now that nearly every tree and lamppost has a yellow ribbon, Seth Yatovitz, a resident of Palo Alto, wants the city to take them down, calling them "offensive ribbons."

According to the paper, Coffey couldn't imagine anyone complaining about the town's residents showing support for U.S. troops in Iraq.

"Clearly there are many laws on our books that are enforced when called to our attention, but we don't have the resources to enforce all the laws we have until somebody brings it up," City Manager Jim Nantell told the Daily Journal.

Even though Yatovitz is not a resident of Burlingame, he has the right to object, said Nantell.

In his complaint to the city, Yatovitz mentioned his belief that the soldiers involved in the Iraq theater are actually criminals.

"I find the yellow ribbons on city property offensive to my senses, as they are posted in support of violators of international law. I do support our troops that are not involved in illegal activity," Yatovitz wrote to the council.

If his demand is not heeded, according to the report, Yatovitz will begin a boycott of Burlingame businesses and possibly file a lawsuit.

"I'm trying to put pressure on the city targeting their tax base. It's not aimed at the businesses and I have no animosity towards the businesses," Yatovitz said.

Some businesspeople will not tolerate the city removing the ribbons.

"We are at war and somebody wants to remove the ribbon? I think it's over my dead body if he wants to remove it," said Ashok Patel, owner of the Burlingame Smoke Shop, according to the report.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the Fieldsboro, N.J., borough council recently voted to ban yellow ribbons from public property after a businessowner placed a ribbon on the official borough welcome sign and one nearby.

The Burlingame City Council will take up the issue at Monday's council meeting.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31828

Sempers,

Roger
:marine:

Super Dave
11-12-03, 10:19 AM
Some of these IDIOTS that are complaining need to say these STUPID things to me...They'll once do it ONCE!!

tommyboy
11-13-03, 12:20 PM
Unfortunatly stories like this dont surprise me in the least.

G.L.B.
11-13-03, 12:41 PM
i think that commy bastard needs to be shot in the head

airframesguru
11-13-03, 01:49 PM
What an A&%h*le

CplCrotty
11-13-03, 01:49 PM
You can thank our fine institutions of "higher learning" for being the primary breeding ground of these liberal-socialist wackos. The so-called peace protesters of the 60's and 70's are now the chairPERSONS and professors of academia, and this is the result. In not offending they commit the biggest offense of all - the avoidance of truth!

GySgtRet
11-13-03, 07:31 PM
TWO WORDS "STU PID"

Doc Crow
11-13-03, 11:30 PM
Gang what we have here is unless I am incorrect things like Telephone Polls and Light Polls usually belong to the Local Utility company not the City so it is not the government but a Private company who has the right to say remove it or not. I know here in the City of Glendale, AZ the City does own most of the Traffic Light Polls and Street signs but if a poll blows or falls over the city does not replace it the Local Utility company does. Not sure how it is in your areas but that is the way it is here so the City really has no say in the matter

firstsgtmike
11-14-03, 12:33 AM
Doc,

EXCELLENT POINT!!!

p.s. My comment in another forum does NOT include Corpsmen or MedEvac chopper pilots. They are just out of uniform.

When I got off the plane in DaNang, troops were waiting to board her for the return flight to Oki and the world.

Being fresh from the States, I was agog. One guy caught my attention. He looked as if he was taking a coffee break during the filming of a John Wayne movie. Flak jacket w/four grenades, two canteens and a .45 hanging from his ammo belt, an m-16 with a combat sling and taped magazines, five days beard growth and two inches of caked dirt and mud on boots, uniform, and visible body parts.

Impressive! Then I saw his insignia. A CORPSMAN!. I wanted to get back on the plane.

Semper Fi